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2/1/2013 8:41:57 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Whenever I see an account closed it bothers me, firstly because of the precedent that sets on DDO and secondly because of what it says about the community itself. Make no mistake, we are a community -and one that goes out of its way to be hostile to those who for whatever reason we don't like.

No one disputes that RationalMadman was out of line, but up until other members provoked LatentDebater there were only minimal issues. Then, Heineken made a thread which posited the allegation that LatentDebater was RationalMadman, and he might as well have been slowly burned at the stake from that point forward.

The questions this raises is simple. At what point do people deserve a second chance? At what point do we seek to understand before imposing our own incredulousness on others at the expense of the forum? At what point do we try to understand WHY a person posts the way they do, rather than rallying around someone who was never welcomed to begin with, and form a summary judgement that functions like an excommunication?

But no, our feelings are hurt and our fantastically overinflated egos prove equally sensitive... unable to handle the eccentricity of another poster who, by the way, was only 17. A 17 year old kid, put through that. Do I think that harassing other members or posting unsavory links in debates -in such a way that is not done in good humor- is wrong? Absolutely, and I would have no trouble justifying deleting said content. But I equally take great issue with witch hunts, which created a self-fulfilling prophecy. You wanted him to behave badly, as an excuse to oust him, because you don't like him. So that's exactly what happened. Expectations were set and met.

This is the internet. Thick skin (the maturity to tolerate those who upset you) is a virtue.
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2/1/2013 8:51:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I don't condone what was done to RM in his latest incarnation, but I don't think he deserved a second chance. He sexually harassed many, many members of this site and was repeatedly told to stop by airmax before he was banned. He even sent out a mass PM asking people how he could get away with sexual harassment. On top of this, every time he returns with a proxy account, he has to be IP banned because he trolls, posts pornography, and says rude things to other members. Oryus said in the other thread that he posted pornography using his LatentDebater account. He violates the TOS again and again. How many second chances does someone deserve? Four? Five? Why should Juggle tolerate his behavior? He has no right to use this site. It doesn't belong to him, and they have asked him to leave.

I don't understand why it matters that this is the internet. The internet is a public space and people should be as cordial as they would be in public. "This is the internet" does not justify rude,disgusting, and demeaning behavior.
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2/1/2013 8:53:21 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/1/2013 8:51:49 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I don't condone what was done to RM in his latest incarnation, but I don't think he deserved a second chance. He sexually harassed many, many members of this site and was repeatedly told to stop by airmax before he was banned. He even sent out a mass PM asking people how he could get away with sexual harassment. On top of this, every time he returns with a proxy account, he has to be IP banned because he trolls, posts pornography, and says rude things to other members. Oryus said in the other thread that he posted pornography using his LatentDebater account. He violates the TOS again and again. How many second chances does someone deserve? Four? Five? Why should Juggle tolerate his behavior? He has no right to use this site. It doesn't belong to him, and they have asked him to leave.

I don't understand why it matters that this is the internet. The internet is a public space and people should be as cordial as they would be in public. "This is the internet" does not justify rude,disgusting, and demeaning behavior.

Oh, it was confirmed he was Latent? I thought that Heineken was joking.

Wow, he got a 2600 elo compared to his RM account of like 260 elo.

Were all the accounts without debates except against Latent spam accounts he created to get wins?
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2/1/2013 8:54:45 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/1/2013 8:51:49 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I don't condone what was done to RM in his latest incarnation, but I don't think he deserved a second chance. He sexually harassed many, many members of this site and was repeatedly told to stop by airmax before he was banned. He even sent out a mass PM asking people how he could get away with sexual harassment. On top of this, every time he returns with a proxy account, he has to be IP banned because he trolls, posts pornography, and says rude things to other members. Oryus said in the other thread that he posted pornography using his LatentDebater account. He violates the TOS again and again. How many second chances does someone deserve? Four? Five? Why should Juggle tolerate his behavior? He has no right to use this site. It doesn't belong to him, and they have asked him to leave.

I don't understand why it matters that this is the internet. The internet is a public space and people should be as cordial as they would be in public. "This is the internet" does not justify rude,disgusting, and demeaning behavior.

I never confirmed that he was rationalmadman. I don't know who the hell LD is. I only said that LD did post pornograpic images and links in a debate. It just so happens that he did so around the time that all this drama with him in the DDO forums was going on. Whether the two incidents are related, I don't know. But one does not simply post a cornucopia of porn on DDO and get away with it.
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2/1/2013 8:56:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/1/2013 8:54:45 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/1/2013 8:51:49 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I don't condone what was done to RM in his latest incarnation, but I don't think he deserved a second chance. He sexually harassed many, many members of this site and was repeatedly told to stop by airmax before he was banned. He even sent out a mass PM asking people how he could get away with sexual harassment. On top of this, every time he returns with a proxy account, he has to be IP banned because he trolls, posts pornography, and says rude things to other members. Oryus said in the other thread that he posted pornography using his LatentDebater account. He violates the TOS again and again. How many second chances does someone deserve? Four? Five? Why should Juggle tolerate his behavior? He has no right to use this site. It doesn't belong to him, and they have asked him to leave.

I don't understand why it matters that this is the internet. The internet is a public space and people should be as cordial as they would be in public. "This is the internet" does not justify rude,disgusting, and demeaning behavior.

I never confirmed that he was rationalmadman. I don't know who the hell LD is. I only said that LD did post pornograpic images and links in a debate. It just so happens that he did so around the time that all this drama with him in the DDO forums was going on. Whether the two incidents are related, I don't know. But one does not simply post a cornucopia of porn on DDO and get away with it.

I didn't see the porn, but I agree that posting porn is inexcusable.
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2/1/2013 8:58:13 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/1/2013 8:56:41 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/1/2013 8:54:45 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/1/2013 8:51:49 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I don't condone what was done to RM in his latest incarnation, but I don't think he deserved a second chance. He sexually harassed many, many members of this site and was repeatedly told to stop by airmax before he was banned. He even sent out a mass PM asking people how he could get away with sexual harassment. On top of this, every time he returns with a proxy account, he has to be IP banned because he trolls, posts pornography, and says rude things to other members. Oryus said in the other thread that he posted pornography using his LatentDebater account. He violates the TOS again and again. How many second chances does someone deserve? Four? Five? Why should Juggle tolerate his behavior? He has no right to use this site. It doesn't belong to him, and they have asked him to leave.

I don't understand why it matters that this is the internet. The internet is a public space and people should be as cordial as they would be in public. "This is the internet" does not justify rude,disgusting, and demeaning behavior.

I never confirmed that he was rationalmadman. I don't know who the hell LD is. I only said that LD did post pornograpic images and links in a debate. It just so happens that he did so around the time that all this drama with him in the DDO forums was going on. Whether the two incidents are related, I don't know. But one does not simply post a cornucopia of porn on DDO and get away with it.

I didn't see the porn, but I agree that posting porn is inexcusable.

I saw it myself and it was the most extensive collection I've seen on DDO in my 13 months of being a member on the site.
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2/1/2013 8:58:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/1/2013 8:54:45 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/1/2013 8:51:49 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I don't condone what was done to RM in his latest incarnation, but I don't think he deserved a second chance. He sexually harassed many, many members of this site and was repeatedly told to stop by airmax before he was banned. He even sent out a mass PM asking people how he could get away with sexual harassment. On top of this, every time he returns with a proxy account, he has to be IP banned because he trolls, posts pornography, and says rude things to other members. Oryus said in the other thread that he posted pornography using his LatentDebater account. He violates the TOS again and again. How many second chances does someone deserve? Four? Five? Why should Juggle tolerate his behavior? He has no right to use this site. It doesn't belong to him, and they have asked him to leave.

I don't understand why it matters that this is the internet. The internet is a public space and people should be as cordial as they would be in public. "This is the internet" does not justify rude,disgusting, and demeaning behavior.

I never confirmed that he was rationalmadman. I don't know who the hell LD is. I only said that LD did post pornograpic images and links in a debate. It just so happens that he did so around the time that all this drama with him in the DDO forums was going on. Whether the two incidents are related, I don't know. But one does not simply post a cornucopia of porn on DDO and get away with it.

I didn't mean to imply that you said he was RationalMadman. I was just trying to say that regardless of whether or not he was RM, he posted pornography and violated the TOS. The ban was justified.
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2/1/2013 8:58:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/1/2013 8:58:13 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/1/2013 8:56:41 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/1/2013 8:54:45 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/1/2013 8:51:49 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I don't condone what was done to RM in his latest incarnation, but I don't think he deserved a second chance. He sexually harassed many, many members of this site and was repeatedly told to stop by airmax before he was banned. He even sent out a mass PM asking people how he could get away with sexual harassment. On top of this, every time he returns with a proxy account, he has to be IP banned because he trolls, posts pornography, and says rude things to other members. Oryus said in the other thread that he posted pornography using his LatentDebater account. He violates the TOS again and again. How many second chances does someone deserve? Four? Five? Why should Juggle tolerate his behavior? He has no right to use this site. It doesn't belong to him, and they have asked him to leave.

I don't understand why it matters that this is the internet. The internet is a public space and people should be as cordial as they would be in public. "This is the internet" does not justify rude,disgusting, and demeaning behavior.

I never confirmed that he was rationalmadman. I don't know who the hell LD is. I only said that LD did post pornograpic images and links in a debate. It just so happens that he did so around the time that all this drama with him in the DDO forums was going on. Whether the two incidents are related, I don't know. But one does not simply post a cornucopia of porn on DDO and get away with it.

I didn't see the porn, but I agree that posting porn is inexcusable.

I saw it myself and it was the most extensive collection I've seen on DDO in my 13 months of being a member on the site.

That's regretful. Are there moderators on DDO?
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2/1/2013 9:02:11 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/1/2013 8:58:58 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/1/2013 8:58:13 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/1/2013 8:56:41 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/1/2013 8:54:45 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/1/2013 8:51:49 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I don't condone what was done to RM in his latest incarnation, but I don't think he deserved a second chance. He sexually harassed many, many members of this site and was repeatedly told to stop by airmax before he was banned. He even sent out a mass PM asking people how he could get away with sexual harassment. On top of this, every time he returns with a proxy account, he has to be IP banned because he trolls, posts pornography, and says rude things to other members. Oryus said in the other thread that he posted pornography using his LatentDebater account. He violates the TOS again and again. How many second chances does someone deserve? Four? Five? Why should Juggle tolerate his behavior? He has no right to use this site. It doesn't belong to him, and they have asked him to leave.

I don't understand why it matters that this is the internet. The internet is a public space and people should be as cordial as they would be in public. "This is the internet" does not justify rude,disgusting, and demeaning behavior.

I never confirmed that he was rationalmadman. I don't know who the hell LD is. I only said that LD did post pornograpic images and links in a debate. It just so happens that he did so around the time that all this drama with him in the DDO forums was going on. Whether the two incidents are related, I don't know. But one does not simply post a cornucopia of porn on DDO and get away with it.

I didn't see the porn, but I agree that posting porn is inexcusable.

I saw it myself and it was the most extensive collection I've seen on DDO in my 13 months of being a member on the site.

That's regretful. Are there moderators on DDO?

Airmax. And I think Juggle does some stuff too. I'm not sure.
: : :Tulle: The fool, I purposely don't engage with you because you don't have proper command of the English language.
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: : The Fool: It's my English writing. Either way It's okay have a larger vocabulary then you, and a better grasp of language, and you're a woman.
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2/1/2013 9:03:50 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/1/2013 9:02:11 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/1/2013 8:58:58 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/1/2013 8:58:13 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/1/2013 8:56:41 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/1/2013 8:54:45 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/1/2013 8:51:49 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I don't condone what was done to RM in his latest incarnation, but I don't think he deserved a second chance. He sexually harassed many, many members of this site and was repeatedly told to stop by airmax before he was banned. He even sent out a mass PM asking people how he could get away with sexual harassment. On top of this, every time he returns with a proxy account, he has to be IP banned because he trolls, posts pornography, and says rude things to other members. Oryus said in the other thread that he posted pornography using his LatentDebater account. He violates the TOS again and again. How many second chances does someone deserve? Four? Five? Why should Juggle tolerate his behavior? He has no right to use this site. It doesn't belong to him, and they have asked him to leave.

I don't understand why it matters that this is the internet. The internet is a public space and people should be as cordial as they would be in public. "This is the internet" does not justify rude,disgusting, and demeaning behavior.

I never confirmed that he was rationalmadman. I don't know who the hell LD is. I only said that LD did post pornograpic images and links in a debate. It just so happens that he did so around the time that all this drama with him in the DDO forums was going on. Whether the two incidents are related, I don't know. But one does not simply post a cornucopia of porn on DDO and get away with it.

I didn't see the porn, but I agree that posting porn is inexcusable.

I saw it myself and it was the most extensive collection I've seen on DDO in my 13 months of being a member on the site.

That's regretful. Are there moderators on DDO?

Airmax. And I think Juggle does some stuff too. I'm not sure.

Only one moderator? I mean, I think he gives a lot to DDO but this is a huge site. Perhaps a guard of 5-6 would be useful.
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2/1/2013 9:05:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/1/2013 9:03:50 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/1/2013 9:02:11 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/1/2013 8:58:58 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/1/2013 8:58:13 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/1/2013 8:56:41 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/1/2013 8:54:45 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/1/2013 8:51:49 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I don't condone what was done to RM in his latest incarnation, but I don't think he deserved a second chance. He sexually harassed many, many members of this site and was repeatedly told to stop by airmax before he was banned. He even sent out a mass PM asking people how he could get away with sexual harassment. On top of this, every time he returns with a proxy account, he has to be IP banned because he trolls, posts pornography, and says rude things to other members. Oryus said in the other thread that he posted pornography using his LatentDebater account. He violates the TOS again and again. How many second chances does someone deserve? Four? Five? Why should Juggle tolerate his behavior? He has no right to use this site. It doesn't belong to him, and they have asked him to leave.

I don't understand why it matters that this is the internet. The internet is a public space and people should be as cordial as they would be in public. "This is the internet" does not justify rude,disgusting, and demeaning behavior.

I never confirmed that he was rationalmadman. I don't know who the hell LD is. I only said that LD did post pornograpic images and links in a debate. It just so happens that he did so around the time that all this drama with him in the DDO forums was going on. Whether the two incidents are related, I don't know. But one does not simply post a cornucopia of porn on DDO and get away with it.

I didn't see the porn, but I agree that posting porn is inexcusable.

I saw it myself and it was the most extensive collection I've seen on DDO in my 13 months of being a member on the site.

That's regretful. Are there moderators on DDO?

Airmax. And I think Juggle does some stuff too. I'm not sure.

Only one moderator? I mean, I think he gives a lot to DDO but this is a huge site. Perhaps a guard of 5-6 would be useful.

One would think. I think somebody else was a mod too.... but I don't remember. They don't do the mod "badges" on this site like they do on other sites.
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: : The Fool: It's my English writing. Either way It's okay have a larger vocabulary then you, and a better grasp of language, and you're a woman.
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2/1/2013 9:06:28 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
lol @ all the RM threads
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2/1/2013 9:07:46 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/1/2013 8:58:43 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I didn't mean to imply that you said he was RationalMadman. I was just trying to say that regardless of whether or not he was RM, he posted pornography and violated the TOS. The ban was justified.

In a legalistic sense I suppose.

Honestly, I don't know who the guys was or what he did, but it always bothers me when someone is banned. I don't think bans should be given out lightly, and I honestly don't think something as petty as posting pornography should get someone a ban. Maybe if things continue for some time, but straight off the bat? No, that's a bit extreme. Porn isn't that big of a deal. It never ceases to amaze me how sexual matters are so brutally shunned from public discourse, despite being such an integral part to existing...

I honestly think it would have been better to simply give a warning of some kind, and delete the inappropriate content. So while you may be able to "justify" it in a legal sense, no, I do not think the ban was justified.
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2/1/2013 9:11:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/1/2013 9:07:46 PM, The_Chaos_Heart wrote:
At 2/1/2013 8:58:43 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I didn't mean to imply that you said he was RationalMadman. I was just trying to say that regardless of whether or not he was RM, he posted pornography and violated the TOS. The ban was justified.

In a legalistic sense I suppose.

Honestly, I don't know who the guys was or what he did, but it always bothers me when someone is banned. I don't think bans should be given out lightly, and I honestly don't think something as petty as posting pornography should get someone a ban. Maybe if things continue for some time, but straight off the bat? No, that's a bit extreme. Porn isn't that big of a deal. It never ceases to amaze me how sexual matters are so brutally shunned from public discourse, despite being such an integral part to existing...

On most sites, I would agree but there are 13 and 14 year old kids on this site. Porn is worthy of a punishment, sure. But not a ban.

I honestly think it would have been better to simply give a warning of some kind, and delete the inappropriate content. So while you may be able to "justify" it in a legal sense, no, I do not think the ban was justified.

I agree.
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2/1/2013 9:13:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/1/2013 9:05:12 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/1/2013 9:03:50 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/1/2013 9:02:11 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/1/2013 8:58:58 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/1/2013 8:58:13 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/1/2013 8:56:41 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/1/2013 8:54:45 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/1/2013 8:51:49 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I don't condone what was done to RM in his latest incarnation, but I don't think he deserved a second chance. He sexually harassed many, many members of this site and was repeatedly told to stop by airmax before he was banned. He even sent out a mass PM asking people how he could get away with sexual harassment. On top of this, every time he returns with a proxy account, he has to be IP banned because he trolls, posts pornography, and says rude things to other members. Oryus said in the other thread that he posted pornography using his LatentDebater account. He violates the TOS again and again. How many second chances does someone deserve? Four? Five? Why should Juggle tolerate his behavior? He has no right to use this site. It doesn't belong to him, and they have asked him to leave.

I don't understand why it matters that this is the internet. The internet is a public space and people should be as cordial as they would be in public. "This is the internet" does not justify rude,disgusting, and demeaning behavior.

I never confirmed that he was rationalmadman. I don't know who the hell LD is. I only said that LD did post pornograpic images and links in a debate. It just so happens that he did so around the time that all this drama with him in the DDO forums was going on. Whether the two incidents are related, I don't know. But one does not simply post a cornucopia of porn on DDO and get away with it.

I didn't see the porn, but I agree that posting porn is inexcusable.

I saw it myself and it was the most extensive collection I've seen on DDO in my 13 months of being a member on the site.

That's regretful. Are there moderators on DDO?

Airmax. And I think Juggle does some stuff too. I'm not sure.

Only one moderator? I mean, I think he gives a lot to DDO but this is a huge site. Perhaps a guard of 5-6 would be useful.

One would think. I think somebody else was a mod too.... but I don't remember. They don't do the mod "badges" on this site like they do on other sites.

Ore is I think.
#UnbanTheMadman

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To relax their restless flight
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2/1/2013 9:13:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
If a man with no hairs is bald is a man with one hair bald?
#UnbanTheMadman

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2/1/2013 9:14:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/1/2013 9:11:25 PM, YYW wrote:
On most sites, I would agree but there are 13 and 14 year old kids on this site. Porn is worthy of a punishment, sure. But not a ban.

See, this is something else I don't understand. Children have in the past and continue to see naked men and women all the time, and see them copulate. I don't see how "think of the children" is a valid argument.

But perhaps this isn't the time or place for this argument.
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2/1/2013 9:15:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/1/2013 9:05:12 PM, Oryus wrote:
One would think. I think somebody else was a mod too.... but I don't remember. They don't do the mod "badges" on this site like they do on other sites.

That's disconcerting. Members like F-16, Drafterman, Stephen_Hawkins, WSA, you and even Royal, as well as various others would make a good team to moderate.
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2/1/2013 9:16:59 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/1/2013 9:06:28 PM, Oryus wrote:
lol @ all the RM threads

I think theres five out there right now.
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2/1/2013 9:17:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/1/2013 9:14:17 PM, The_Chaos_Heart wrote:
At 2/1/2013 9:11:25 PM, YYW wrote:
On most sites, I would agree but there are 13 and 14 year old kids on this site. Porn is worthy of a punishment, sure. But not a ban.

See, this is something else I don't understand. Children have in the past and continue to see naked men and women all the time, and see them copulate. I don't see how "think of the children" is a valid argument.

But perhaps this isn't the time or place for this argument.

Well, it's a wild world out there but that doesn't mean it needs to be on DDO. I still do agree though with your conclusion that even if he did post pornography, it just merits a warning and a temporary account suspension.
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2/1/2013 9:21:33 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/1/2013 9:17:40 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/1/2013 9:14:17 PM, The_Chaos_Heart wrote:
At 2/1/2013 9:11:25 PM, YYW wrote:
On most sites, I would agree but there are 13 and 14 year old kids on this site. Porn is worthy of a punishment, sure. But not a ban.

See, this is something else I don't understand. Children have in the past and continue to see naked men and women all the time, and see them copulate. I don't see how "think of the children" is a valid argument.

But perhaps this isn't the time or place for this argument.

Well, it's a wild world out there but that doesn't mean it needs to be on DDO. I still do agree though with your conclusion that even if he did post pornography, it just merits a warning and a temporary account suspension.

The only problem being that this site's intellectual reputation being tarnished by some porn of Imabench or some sh!t. We're a debate website and porn belongs somewhere which doesn't kill your boner instantly.
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2/1/2013 9:26:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
RM just posted a new thread and admitted he is LD. Are you guys going to say that sexual harassment is ok now and doesn't deserve punishment? That's what he was banned for.
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2/1/2013 9:28:44 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/1/2013 9:26:16 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
RM just posted a new thread and admitted he is LD. Are you guys going to say that sexual harassment is ok now and doesn't deserve punishment? That's what he was banned for.

He's a kid, RP, who is angry -and not without just cause. I mean, I know you're a kid too... anyway the situation has been blown entirely out of proportion and there is no good which comes from further attacks on RM/LD.
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2/1/2013 9:31:44 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/1/2013 9:26:16 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
RM just posted a new thread and admitted he is LD. Are you guys going to say that sexual harassment is ok now and doesn't deserve punishment? That's what he was banned for.

1) No one is even saying that. Where are you getting this"

2) Punishment? Certainly. Banning? Depends. In RM's case, I think it was widespread enough and over a long enough period of time that it was justified. But that's not what we were talking about.

3) It could be that LD just said that out of anger, but based on everything else that's been posted, yeah, I don't doubt it's RM now.
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2/1/2013 9:33:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/1/2013 9:28:44 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/1/2013 9:26:16 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
RM just posted a new thread and admitted he is LD. Are you guys going to say that sexual harassment is ok now and doesn't deserve punishment? That's what he was banned for.

He's a kid, RP, who is angry -and not without just cause. I mean, I know you're a kid too... anyway the situation has been blown entirely out of proportion and there is no good which comes from further attacks on RM/LD.

I'm not a kid. I'm an adult, thanks, and I think 17 year old teenagers who are going to be adults in less than one year should not be repeatedly sexually harassing members of the site, posting porn, and returning to a site that has asked them to desist in their trolling efforts. He doesn't have a right to be angry because he wasn't supposed to be on the site in the first place.

I might have sympathy for him if he was someone like izbo, who was unjustly banned.