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2/3/2013 7:34:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
There seems to be a lot of folks thinking that the decriminalizing of marijuana will actually cut down on drug use and is much better than putting repeat drug users in jail. They seem to imply that most of the people put in jail for drugs are just casual users that just need medical help not jail.

That is a widespread MYTH!

First of all, in most states, if you are a 1st time offender, you will not serve any jail time for being caught with a small amount of marijuana. You most likely will be charged with a misdemeanor and get a fine and be placed on probation. It does vary by state. But, the truth be told, most of the people convicted of drug felonies are not in jail for smoking or possessing a little weed. There is a great article you need to read for the truth:

"Who"s Really in Prison for Marijuana?"

"Drug legalizers want you to believe a lie" that our prisons are filled with marijuana smokers. In fact, the vast majority of drug prisoners are violent criminals, repeat offenders, traffickers, or all of the above."

The idea that our nation"s prisons are overflowing with otherwise law"abiding people convicted for nothing more than simple possession of marijuana is treated by many as conventional wisdom.

But this, in fact, is a myth"an illusion conjured and aggressively perpetuated by drug advocacy groups seeking to relax or abolish America"s marijuana laws. In reality, the vast majority of inmates in state and federal prison for marijuana have been found guilty of much more than simple possession. Some were convicted for drug trafficking, some for marijuana possession along with one or more other offenses. And many of those serving time for marijuana pled down to possession in order to avoid prosecution on much more serious charges.

In 1997, the year for which the most recent data are available, just 1.6 percent of the state inmate population were held for offenses involving only marijuana, and less than one percent of all state prisoners (0.7 percent) were incarcerated with marijuana possession as the only charge, according to the U.S.

Department of Justice"s Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS). An even smaller fraction of state prisoners in 1997 who were convicted just for marijuana possession were first"time offenders (0.3 percent).

The numbers on the federal level tell a similar story. Out of all drug defendants sentenced in federal court for marijuana crimes in 2001, the overwhelming majority were convicted for trafficking, according to the U.S. Sentencing Commission. Only
2.3 percent"186 people"received sentences for simple possession, and of the 174 for whom sentencing information is known, just 63 actually served time behind bars.

In reality, the vast majority of inmates in state and federal prison for marijuana have been found guilty of much more than simple possession.

Drug use harms the user and it harms the community, and because of this, criminal penalties have been put in place to control the possession and use of illicit substances. Built into the criminal justice system is an appropriate measure of discretion that responds to the gravity of the offense.

Those who persistently violate the country"s drug laws face criminal penalties, which may include time behind bars.

For offenders whose involvement in law"breaking is minor, the sanctions are slight and often involve a referral to treatment rather than incarceration.

And yet, in spite of these facts, a false characterization continues to be promoted that depicts the criminal"justice response to marijuana violations as unduly harsh, exclusively punitive, and disproportionate. This characterization must be countered by the truth, which is this:

Americans are not routinely being sent to prison in large numbers just for possessing small amounts of marijuana. Our criminal justice system, on the whole, is fair and equitable, and despite frequent claims to the contrary, there"s very little chance that anyone in this country, particularly a first"time offender, will be sent to prison for merely puffing a "joint.

http://www.prisonpolicy.org...
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2/3/2013 7:58:29 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/3/2013 7:34:41 PM, GWL-CPA wrote:
There seems to be a lot of folks thinking that the decriminalizing of marijuana will actually cut down on drug use and is much better than putting repeat drug users in jail. They seem to imply that most of the people put in jail for drugs are just casual users that just need medical help not jail.

Wtf?

No, fool.

Marijuana should be decriminalized, because there's nothing criminal about smoking marijuana, and it's among the least harmful recreational substances that exist. Of course it wouldn't cut down on marijuana use, nor should it. People who smoke weed do not need any medical help whatsoever.

But, people who drink too much or for too long often do.
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2/3/2013 8:17:44 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/3/2013 7:58:29 PM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
At 2/3/2013 7:34:41 PM, GWL-CPA wrote:
There seems to be a lot of folks thinking that the decriminalizing of marijuana will actually cut down on drug use and is much better than putting repeat drug users in jail. They seem to imply that most of the people put in jail for drugs are just casual users that just need medical help not jail.

Wtf?

No, fool.

Marijuana should be decriminalized, because there's nothing criminal about smoking marijuana, and it's among the least harmful recreational substances that exist. Of course it wouldn't cut down on marijuana use, nor should it. People who smoke weed do not need any medical help whatsoever.

But, people who drink too much or for too long often do.

Actually, Clean and Sober are how life was meant to be lived - too bad you are addicted to drugs. You need to seek therapy.

Now, here is another article about the real facts since the Decriminalization of drugs in Portugal.

"Decriminalization of drugs in Portugal " The real facts!"

"Portugal faces a worrying deterioration of the drug situation. The facts prove "With 219 deaths from "overdose" per year, Portugal has one of the worst results, with one death every two days. Along with Greece, Austria and Finland, Portugal registered an increase of deaths by more than 30% in 2005 " and " Portugal remains the country with the highest increase of AIDS as a result of injecting drugs (85 new cases per million residents in 2005, when the majority of countries do not surpass 5 cases per million). Portugal is the only country that recorded a recent increase, with 36 new cases estimated per million in 2005 when in 2004 only 30 were registered" (European Observatory for Drugs and Drug Addiction 2007). The European report also confirmed that in 2006, Portugal had registered 703 new cases of SIDA, which corresponds to a rate eight times higher than the European average!"

"The decriminalization of drugs in Portugal did not in any way decrease levels of consumption. On the contrary, "the consumption of drugs in Portugal increased by 4.2% " the percentage of people who have experimented with drugs at least once in their lifetime increased from 7.8% in 2001 to 12% in 2007 (IDT-Institute for Drugs and Drug Addiction Portuguese, 2008)."

"With regard to the consumption of cocaine "the latest data (surveys from 2005-2007) confirms the increasing trend during the last year in France, Ireland, Spain, The United Kingdom, Italy, Denmark and Portugal" (EMCDDA 2008). While rates of use of cocaine and amphetamine doubled in Portugal, seizures of cocaine have increased sevenfold between 2001 and 2006, the sixth highest in the world (WDR-World Drug Report, 2009)."

"With regard to hashish, it is difficult to assess the trends and intensive use of hashish in Europe, but among the countries that participated in field trials, between 2004 and 2007 (France, Spain, Ireland, Greece, Italy, Greece, Italy, The Netherlands and Portugal) there was an average increase of approximately 20% " (EMCDDA, 2008)."

"In Portugal, since decriminalization has been implemented, the number of homicides related to drugs has increased 40%. "It was the only European country with a significant increase in (drug-related) murders between 2001 and 2006″ (WDR, 2009)."

"A recent report commissioned by IDT, the Center for Studies and Opinion Polls (CESOP) of the Portuguese Catholic University, based on direct interviews regarding the attitudes of the Portuguese towards drug addiction (which has strangely never been released), revealed the following: 83.7% of respondents indicated that the number of drug users in Portugal has increased in the last four years. 66.8% believe that the accessibility of drugs in their neighborhoods was easy or very easy and 77.3% stated that crime related to drugs has also increased ("Toxicodepend"ncias" No. 3, 2007)."

"This is the painful reality in Portugal " the attitude towards drugs and drug addiction. For the Portuguese government, drug addicts are essentially regarded as "sick". This is not only a suicidal attitude, but a public expense. Pretend you are sick and the government pretends to treat you! The decriminalization of consumption, possession and acquisition for consumption has added to the illicit consumption of drugs. Legalizing a crime committed by "drug addicts" (or "the sick") does not seem the most effective way to combat the problem, as shown by greatly increased rate of drug-related homicides recorded in Portugal compared to other countries with reduced dependence and related crime."

"What is happening in Portugal is very peculiar; drug addicts, with the support of the government, rely on their status as "sick". But these addicts often forget that they are "sick" and are assumed as free and responsible people, who are able to decide whether they want treatment or not! As a result of decriminalization the addict is considered a patient and not a delinquent. The state can not choose, through a political policy, a solution that gives priority to feed the "disease" rather than a cure! Resounding success? Glance at the results! - Manuel Pinto Coelho -President of the Association for a Drug Free Portugal"
http://www.braha.com.br...
When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished by how much he'd learned in seven years."

"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."

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2/3/2013 8:19:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/3/2013 8:17:44 PM, GWL-CPA wrote:
At 2/3/2013 7:58:29 PM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
At 2/3/2013 7:34:41 PM, GWL-CPA wrote:
There seems to be a lot of folks thinking that the decriminalizing of marijuana will actually cut down on drug use and is much better than putting repeat drug users in jail. They seem to imply that most of the people put in jail for drugs are just casual users that just need medical help not jail.

Wtf?

No, fool.

Marijuana should be decriminalized, because there's nothing criminal about smoking marijuana, and it's among the least harmful recreational substances that exist. Of course it wouldn't cut down on marijuana use, nor should it. People who smoke weed do not need any medical help whatsoever.

But, people who drink too much or for too long often do.

Actually, Clean and Sober are how life was meant to be lived - too bad you are addicted to drugs. You need to seek therapy.


Says who?
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2/3/2013 8:20:21 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/3/2013 8:17:44 PM, GWL-CPA wrote:
At 2/3/2013 7:58:29 PM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
At 2/3/2013 7:34:41 PM, GWL-CPA wrote:
There seems to be a lot of folks thinking that the decriminalizing of marijuana will actually cut down on drug use and is much better than putting repeat drug users in jail. They seem to imply that most of the people put in jail for drugs are just casual users that just need medical help not jail.

Wtf?

No, fool.

Marijuana should be decriminalized, because there's nothing criminal about smoking marijuana, and it's among the least harmful recreational substances that exist. Of course it wouldn't cut down on marijuana use, nor should it. People who smoke weed do not need any medical help whatsoever.

But, people who drink too much or for too long often do.

Actually, Clean and Sober are how life was meant to be lived - too bad you are addicted to drugs. You need to seek therapy.

That's funny, so I take it that cannabinoid receptors exist in the brain because of the Devil or something?

Hahahahahaha.

Anyway, I happen to be straightedge.

Whoops, there went you're whooollle argument.

I guess being a self-righteous blowhard doesn't make you right after all. How about that.

Now, go bring your enlightenment to the masses. They need it.
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2/3/2013 8:40:44 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/3/2013 8:17:44 PM, GWL-CPA wrote:
At 2/3/2013 7:58:29 PM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
At 2/3/2013 7:34:41 PM, GWL-CPA wrote:
There seems to be a lot of folks thinking that the decriminalizing of marijuana will actually cut down on drug use and is much better than putting repeat drug users in jail. They seem to imply that most of the people put in jail for drugs are just casual users that just need medical help not jail.

Wtf?

No, fool.

Marijuana should be decriminalized, because there's nothing criminal about smoking marijuana, and it's among the least harmful recreational substances that exist. Of course it wouldn't cut down on marijuana use, nor should it. People who smoke weed do not need any medical help whatsoever.

But, people who drink too much or for too long often do.

Actually, Clean and Sober are how life was meant to be lived - too bad you are addicted to drugs. You need to seek therapy.

Now, here is another article about the real facts since the Decriminalization of drugs in Portugal.

"Decriminalization of drugs in Portugal " The real facts!"

"Portugal faces a worrying deterioration of the drug situation. The facts prove "With 219 deaths from "overdose" per year, Portugal has one of the worst results, with one death every two days. Along with Greece, Austria and Finland, Portugal registered an increase of deaths by more than 30% in 2005 " and " Portugal remains the country with the highest increase of AIDS as a result of injecting drugs (85 new cases per million residents in 2005, when the majority of countries do not surpass 5 cases per million). Portugal is the only country that recorded a recent increase, with 36 new cases estimated per million in 2005 when in 2004 only 30 were registered" (European Observatory for Drugs and Drug Addiction 2007). The European report also confirmed that in 2006, Portugal had registered 703 new cases of SIDA, which corresponds to a rate eight times higher than the European average!"

"The decriminalization of drugs in Portugal did not in any way decrease levels of consumption. On the contrary, "the consumption of drugs in Portugal increased by 4.2% " the percentage of people who have experimented with drugs at least once in their lifetime increased from 7.8% in 2001 to 12% in 2007 (IDT-Institute for Drugs and Drug Addiction Portuguese, 2008)."

"With regard to the consumption of cocaine "the latest data (surveys from 2005-2007) confirms the increasing trend during the last year in France, Ireland, Spain, The United Kingdom, Italy, Denmark and Portugal" (EMCDDA 2008). While rates of use of cocaine and amphetamine doubled in Portugal, seizures of cocaine have increased sevenfold between 2001 and 2006, the sixth highest in the world (WDR-World Drug Report, 2009)."

"With regard to hashish, it is difficult to assess the trends and intensive use of hashish in Europe, but among the countries that participated in field trials, between 2004 and 2007 (France, Spain, Ireland, Greece, Italy, Greece, Italy, The Netherlands and Portugal) there was an average increase of approximately 20% " (EMCDDA, 2008)."

"In Portugal, since decriminalization has been implemented, the number of homicides related to drugs has increased 40%. "It was the only European country with a significant increase in (drug-related) murders between 2001 and 2006″ (WDR, 2009)."

"A recent report commissioned by IDT, the Center for Studies and Opinion Polls (CESOP) of the Portuguese Catholic University, based on direct interviews regarding the attitudes of the Portuguese towards drug addiction (which has strangely never been released), revealed the following: 83.7% of respondents indicated that the number of drug users in Portugal has increased in the last four years. 66.8% believe that the accessibility of drugs in their neighborhoods was easy or very easy and 77.3% stated that crime related to drugs has also increased ("Toxicodepend"ncias" No. 3, 2007)."

"This is the painful reality in Portugal " the attitude towards drugs and drug addiction. For the Portuguese government, drug addicts are essentially regarded as "sick". This is not only a suicidal attitude, but a public expense. Pretend you are sick and the government pretends to treat you! The decriminalization of consumption, possession and acquisition for consumption has added to the illicit consumption of drugs. Legalizing a crime committed by "drug addicts" (or "the sick") does not seem the most effective way to combat the problem, as shown by greatly increased rate of drug-related homicides recorded in Portugal compared to other countries with reduced dependence and related crime."

"What is happening in Portugal is very peculiar; drug addicts, with the support of the government, rely on their status as "sick". But these addicts often forget that they are "sick" and are assumed as free and responsible people, who are able to decide whether they want treatment or not! As a result of decriminalization the addict is considered a patient and not a delinquent. The state can not choose, through a political policy, a solution that gives priority to feed the "disease" rather than a cure! Resounding success? Glance at the results! - Manuel Pinto Coelho -President of the Association for a Drug Free Portugal"
http://www.braha.com.br...

By every measurable standard, Portugal is doing better now, after decriminalization than they were beforehand.

New AIDS infections - down
New Hep C infections - down
Overdoses - down
Rehab attendance - up
New drug users - down
All Deaths related to drug use - down
Injection Drug Use - down

The politicians, even the most conservative ones, won't touch that policy with a 10foot pole. There is NO ONE but you who has claimed that this policy was anything but a rousing success.

13% of high school students in Portugal have tried cannabis once. In America, it's 32%

http://healthland.time.com...

You have no idea what you're talking about.
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2/3/2013 8:43:53 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/3/2013 7:58:29 PM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
At 2/3/2013 7:34:41 PM, GWL-CPA wrote:
There seems to be a lot of folks thinking that the decriminalizing of marijuana will actually cut down on drug use and is much better than putting repeat drug users in jail. They seem to imply that most of the people put in jail for drugs are just casual users that just need medical help not jail.

Wtf?

No, fool.

Marijuana should be decriminalized, because there's nothing criminal about smoking marijuana, and it's among the least harmful recreational substances that exist. Of course it wouldn't cut down on marijuana use, nor should it. People who smoke weed do not need any medical help whatsoever.

But, people who drink too much or for too long often do.

And, stoner, Marijuana is a harmful drug " face the facts!

"Drug Facts: Marijuana"

Marijuana is the most common illicit drug used in the United States. After a period of decline in the last decade, its use has generally increased among young people since 2007, corresponding to a diminishing perception of the drug"s risks. More teenagers are now current (past-month) smokers of marijuana than of cigarettes, according to annual survey data.

How Does Marijuana Affect the Brain?

When marijuana is smoked, THC rapidly passes from the lungs into the bloodstream, which carries the chemical to the brain and other organs throughout the body. It is absorbed more slowly when ingested in food or drink.

However it is ingested, THC acts upon specific molecular targets on brain cells, called cannabinoid receptors. These receptors are ordinarily activated by chemicals similar to THC called endocannabinoids, such as anandamide. These are naturally occurring in the body and are part of a neural communication network (the endocannabinoid system) that plays an important role in normal brain development and function.

The highest density of cannabinoid receptors is found in parts of the brain that influence pleasure, memory, thinking, concentration, sensory and time perception, and coordinated movement. Marijuana overactivates the endocannabinoid system, causing the high and other effects that users experience. These include distorted perceptions, impaired coordination, difficulty with thinking and problem solving, and disrupted learning and memory.

Effects on Life

In fact, heavy marijuana users generally report lower life satisfaction, poorer mental and physical health, relation-ship problems, and less academic and career success compared to their peers who came from similar back-grounds. For example, marijuana use is associated with a higher likelihood of dropping out from school. Several studies also associate workers' marijuana smoking with increased absences, tardiness, accidents, workers' compensation claims, and job turnover.

Research has shown that, in chronic users, marijuana's adverse impact on learning and memory persists after the acute effects of the drug wear off; when marijuana use begins in adolescence, the effects may persist for many years. Research from different areas is converging on the fact that regular marijuana use by young people can have long-lasting negative impact on the structure and function of their brains.

A recent study of marijuana users who began using in adolescence revealed a profound deficit in connections between brain areas responsible for learning and memory. And a large prospective study (following individuals across time) showed that people who began smoking marijuana heavily in their teens lost as much as 8 points in IQ between age 13 and age 38; importantly, the lost cognitive abilities were not restored in those who quit smoking marijuana as adults. (Individuals who started smoking marijuana in adulthood did not show significant IQ declines.)

What Are the Other Health Effects of Marijuana?

Marijuana use can have a variety of adverse, short- and long-term effects, especially on cardiopulmonary and mental health.

Marijuana raises heart rate by 20-100 percent shortly after smoking; this effect can last up to 3 hours. In one study, it was estimated that marijuana users have a 4.8-fold increase in the risk of heart attack in the first hour after smoking the drug. This may be due to increased heart rate as well as the effects of marijuana on heart rhythms, causing palpitations and arrhythmias. This risk may be greater in older individuals or in those with cardiac vulnerabilities.

Marijuana and Driving

Because it seriously impairs judgment and motor coordination, marijuana also contributes to accidents while driving. A recent analysis of data from several studies found that marijuana use more than doubles a driver"s risk of being in an accident. Further, the combination of marijuana and alcohol is worse than either substance alone with respect to driving impairment.

Marijuana smoke is an irritant to the lungs, and frequent marijuana smokers can have many of the same respiratory problems experienced by tobacco smokers, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illness, and a heightened risk of lung infections. One study found that people who smoke marijuana frequently but do not smoke tobacco have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers, mainly because of respiratory illnesses.

A number of studies have shown an association between chronic marijuana use and mental illness. High doses of marijuana can produce a temporary psychotic reaction (involving hallucinations and paranoia) in some users, and using marijuana can worsen the course of illness in patients with schizophrenia. A series of large prospective studies also showed a link between marijuana use and later development of psychosis. This relationship was influenced by genetic variables as well as the amount of drug used and the age at which it was first taken"those who start young are at increased risk for later problems.

Associations have also been found between marijuana use and other mental health problems, such as depression, anxiety, suicidal thoughts among adolescents, and personality disturbances, including a lack of motivation to engage in typically rewarding activities. More research is still needed to confirm and better understand these linkages.

Marijuana use during pregnancy is associated with increased risk of neurobehavioral problems in babies. Because THC and other compounds in marijuana mimic the body"s own cannabinoid-like chemicals, marijuana use by pregnant mothers may alter the developing endocannabinoid system in the brain of the fetus. Consequences for the child may include problems with attention, memory, and problem solving.

Finally, marijuana use has been linked in a few recent studies to an increased risk of an aggressive type of testicular cancer in young men, although further research is needed to establish whether there is a direct causal connection.
http://www.drugabuse.gov...
When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished by how much he'd learned in seven years."

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Mark Twain
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2/3/2013 8:46:14 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
You Drug addicts are all the same. Too bad you are missing out on a clean and sober
life - you are sick and can get help.

Is Marijuana Medicine?

Although many have called for the legalization of marijuana to treat conditions including pain and nausea caused by HIV/AIDS, cancer, and other conditions, the scientific evidence to date is not sufficient for the marijuana plant to gain FDA approval, for two main reasons.

First, there have not been enough clinical trials showing that marijuana"s benefits outweigh its health risks in patients with the symptoms it is meant to treat. The FDA requires care-fully conducted studies in large numbers of patients (hundreds to thou-sands) to accurately assess the benefits and risks of a potential medication.

Also, to be considered a legitimate medicine, a substance must have well-defined and measureable ingredients that are consistent from one unit (such as a pill or injection) to the next. This consistency allows doctors to determine the dose and frequency. As the marijuana plant contains hundreds of chemical compounds that may have different effects and that vary from plant to plant, its use as a medicine is difficult to evaluate.

However, THC-based drugs to treat pain and nausea are already FDA approved and prescribed, and scientists continue to investigate the medicinal properties of cannabinoids. For more information, see DrugFacts - Is Marijuana Medicine?
Is Marijuana Addictive?

Contrary to common belief, marijuana is addictive. Estimates from research suggest that about 9 percent of users become addicted to marijuana; this number increases among those who start young (to about 17 percent, or 1 in 6) and among daily users (to 25-50 percent). Thus, many of the nearly 7 percent of high-school seniors who (according to annual survey data) report smoking marijuana daily or almost daily are well on their way to addiction, if not already addicted (besides functioning at a sub-optimal level all of the time).

Long-term marijuana users trying to quit report withdrawal symptoms including irritability, sleeplessness, decreased appetite, anxiety, and drug craving, all of which can make it difficult to remain abstinent. Behavioral interventions, including cognitive-behavioral therapy and motivational incentives (i.e., providing vouchers for goods or services to patients who remain abstinent) have proven to be effective in treating marijuana addiction. Although no medications are currently available, recent discoveries about the workings of the endocannabinoid system offer promise for the development of medications to ease withdrawal, block the intoxicating effects of marijuana, and prevent relapse.

http://www.drugabuse.gov...
When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished by how much he'd learned in seven years."

"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."

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2/3/2013 8:50:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/3/2013 8:43:53 PM, GWL-CPA wrote:
At 2/3/2013 7:58:29 PM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
At 2/3/2013 7:34:41 PM, GWL-CPA wrote:
There seems to be a lot of folks thinking that the decriminalizing of marijuana will actually cut down on drug use and is much better than putting repeat drug users in jail. They seem to imply that most of the people put in jail for drugs are just casual users that just need medical help not jail.

Wtf?

No, fool.

Marijuana should be decriminalized, because there's nothing criminal about smoking marijuana, and it's among the least harmful recreational substances that exist. Of course it wouldn't cut down on marijuana use, nor should it. People who smoke weed do not need any medical help whatsoever.

But, people who drink too much or for too long often do.

And, stoner, Marijuana is a harmful drug " face the facts!

"Drug Facts: Marijuana"

Marijuana is the most common illicit drug used in the United States.

Given this fact alone, how has this society prevented collapse? Everyone should be at home right now, unemployed and on the edge of suicide, sobbing from a recent break-up between phlegm hacks.

Hahahahahahaha, comedy.

Give me one death in the last year from marijuana.

One.

Here's a study that links deaths to chewing gum: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

(Oh, and one more thing. Once again, I'm not a stoner. I don't smoke).
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2/3/2013 9:01:07 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Gotta love morally superior people.

If you are Clean and Sober, you too can copy and paste government sources about "associations"! Citing studies, and especially studies proving causal relationships, won't be necessary because the government said it's bad and that's good enough for me! Then you can finger-wag at all the kids who are far less moral than you and are probably miserable drug addicts with no hope in life.

>:( bad kids!

You know what's funny? I really want to smoke now after all this talk of it.
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2/3/2013 9:13:03 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/3/2013 9:01:07 PM, Oryus wrote:
Gotta love morally superior people.

If you are Clean and Sober, you too can copy and paste government sources about "associations"! Citing studies, and especially studies proving causal relationships, won't be necessary because the government said it's bad and that's good enough for me! Then you can finger-wag at all the kids who are far less moral than you and are probably miserable drug addicts with no hope in life.

>:( bad kids!

You know what's funny? I really want to smoke now after all this talk of it.

I kind of do too, actually -but only a cigarette lol.
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2/3/2013 9:13:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/3/2013 8:17:44 PM, GWL-CPA wrote:
Actually, Clean and Sober are how life was meant to be lived - too bad you are addicted to drugs. You need to seek therapy.

1) What evidence do you have that this is how life was "meant to be lived"?
2) How does this "meant to be" mean we SHOULD be that way?
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2/3/2013 9:15:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/3/2013 8:43:53 PM, GWL-CPA wrote:
And, stoner, Marijuana is a harmful drug " face the facts!

...and?

So what? Just because it is harmful, means we should prevent people from choosing whether or not they will allow themselves to be exposed to that harm?
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2/3/2013 9:18:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/3/2013 8:46:14 PM, GWL-CPA wrote:
You Drug addicts are all the same. Too bad you are missing out on a clean and sober
life - you are sick and can get help.


I don't have any strong opinions on this argument. I'm not a drug addict and I'm also not against drug usage.

If you are trying to convince anyone of anything though, you pretty much lost any credibility by saying the above... What follows it isn't likely even worth reading.

Also please post appropriate topics in the proper forums in the future. "Politics", "Society" or "funny" would have worked for this one.
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2/3/2013 9:28:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/3/2013 8:46:14 PM, GWL-CPA wrote:
You Drug addicts are all the same. Too bad you are missing out on a clean and sober
life - you are sick and can get help.

Is Marijuana Medicine?

Although many have called for the legalization of marijuana to treat conditions including pain and nausea caused by HIV/AIDS, cancer, and other conditions, the scientific evidence to date is not sufficient for the marijuana plant to gain FDA approval, for two main reasons.

First, there have not been enough clinical trials showing that marijuana"s benefits outweigh its health risks in patients with the symptoms it is meant to treat. The FDA requires care-fully conducted studies in large numbers of patients (hundreds to thou-sands) to accurately assess the benefits and risks of a potential medication.

Also, to be considered a legitimate medicine, a substance must have well-defined and measureable ingredients that are consistent from one unit (such as a pill or injection) to the next. This consistency allows doctors to determine the dose and frequency. As the marijuana plant contains hundreds of chemical compounds that may have different effects and that vary from plant to plant, its use as a medicine is difficult to evaluate.

However, THC-based drugs to treat pain and nausea are already FDA approved and prescribed, and scientists continue to investigate the medicinal properties of cannabinoids. For more information, see DrugFacts - Is Marijuana Medicine?
Is Marijuana Addictive?

Contrary to common belief, marijuana is addictive. Estimates from research suggest that about 9 percent of users become addicted to marijuana; this number increases among those who start young (to about 17 percent, or 1 in 6) and among daily users (to 25-50 percent). Thus, many of the nearly 7 percent of high-school seniors who (according to annual survey data) report smoking marijuana daily or almost daily are well on their way to addiction, if not already addicted (besides functioning at a sub-optimal level all of the time).

Long-term marijuana users trying to quit report withdrawal symptoms including irritability, sleeplessness, decreased appetite, anxiety, and drug craving, all of which can make it difficult to remain abstinent. Behavioral interventions, including cognitive-behavioral therapy and motivational incentives (i.e., providing vouchers for goods or services to patients who remain abstinent) have proven to be effective in treating marijuana addiction. Although no medications are currently available, recent discoveries about the workings of the endocannabinoid system offer promise for the development of medications to ease withdrawal, block the intoxicating effects of marijuana, and prevent relapse.

http://www.drugabuse.gov...

THC isn't the only active ingredient in cannabis. There are also the cannaboids and big pharma hasn't figured out how to reproduce those synthetically.

Most patients have expressed greater relief from actual cannabis for both nausea and pain relief than with synthetic THC

Any other bogus info you wanna throw down since I noticed you had no response to my Portugal refutation?
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2/3/2013 9:30:53 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
more people die taking aspirin each year than ANY other illicit drug except for cocaine.

35X more people die from pharmaceuticals each year than do from ALL illicit drugs drugs COMBINED.
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2/3/2013 9:31:50 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/3/2013 9:13:03 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/3/2013 9:01:07 PM, Oryus wrote:
Gotta love morally superior people.

If you are Clean and Sober, you too can copy and paste government sources about "associations"! Citing studies, and especially studies proving causal relationships, won't be necessary because the government said it's bad and that's good enough for me! Then you can finger-wag at all the kids who are far less moral than you and are probably miserable drug addicts with no hope in life.

>:( bad kids!

You know what's funny? I really want to smoke now after all this talk of it.

I kind of do too, actually -but only a cigarette lol.

CIGARETTESAREBADYOU'REABADPERSON
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2/3/2013 9:32:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/3/2013 9:18:25 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 2/3/2013 8:46:14 PM, GWL-CPA wrote:
You Drug addicts are all the same. Too bad you are missing out on a clean and sober
life - you are sick and can get help.


I don't have any strong opinions on this argument. I'm not a drug addict and I'm also not against drug usage.

If you are trying to convince anyone of anything though, you pretty much lost any credibility by saying the above... What follows it isn't likely even worth reading.

Also please post appropriate topics in the proper forums in the future. "Politics", "Society" or "funny" would have worked for this one.

Zing!
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2/3/2013 9:34:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/3/2013 9:32:10 PM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
If you don't stop smoking marijuana, I'm going to burn this place down.

http://25.media.tumblr.com...
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2/3/2013 10:00:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
From the "Military leaders lift ban on women in combat" thread:

At 2/3/2013 5:49:08 PM, GWL-CPA wrote:

Admit it! You are a big-time stoner living in Hollywood, the ultimate home of the stoners.

And, admit it, you are an addicted video gamer.

Anyway, get off the drugs, go back to college, and grow up, punk b*tch!

I almost died.

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2/3/2013 10:01:44 PM
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Anyway, I think this character might be a troll.

I mean, look at that avie, and look at this: http://25.media.tumblr.com...

The resemblance is scary uncanny.
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2/3/2013 10:02:03 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/3/2013 9:34:39 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/3/2013 9:32:10 PM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
If you don't stop smoking marijuana, I'm going to burn this place down.

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2/3/2013 10:05:26 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
How much weed do you have to smoke before you are considered an addict? If you only smoke once or twice a year are you still a drug addict?

I am concerned that some people I know might be marijuana addicts without realizing it.
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2/3/2013 10:27:29 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/3/2013 10:00:41 PM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
From the "Military leaders lift ban on women in combat" thread:

At 2/3/2013 5:49:08 PM, GWL-CPA wrote:

Admit it! You are a big-time stoner living in Hollywood, the ultimate home of the stoners.

And, admit it, you are an addicted video gamer.

Anyway, get off the drugs, go back to college, and grow up, punk b*tch!

I almost died.

Laughter suffocation: best and worst way to die.

HAHAHAHA!!!

PUNK BITCH FO LIFE! WUT WUT!
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2/4/2013 12:22:43 AM
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At 2/3/2013 8:46:14 PM, GWL-CPA wrote:
You Drug addicts are all the same. Too bad you are missing out on a clean and sober

I support drug legalization. I have never done drugs or alcohol (a few small sips once). I never plan to do so again and will forever stay away from illicit. Also, I'm asthmatic so I cannot consume some smoked drugs anyway. Stop assuming we're all drugies. The vast majority of us aren't.

life - you are sick and can get help.

Is Marijuana Medicine?

Although many have called for the legalization of marijuana to treat conditions including pain and nausea caused by HIV/AIDS, cancer, and other conditions, the scientific evidence to date is not sufficient for the marijuana plant to gain FDA approval, for two main reasons.

First, there have not been enough clinical trials showing that marijuana"s benefits outweigh its health risks in patients with the symptoms it is meant to treat. The FDA requires care-fully conducted studies in large numbers of patients (hundreds to thou-sands) to accurately assess the benefits and risks of a potential medication.

I love the there is not enough research. To be frank, the government is commuting scientific fraud. The NIDA actually blocks pro-marijiana research, which is why there hasn't been "enough trials". Who defines "enough" anyway? Scientific studies isn't "10 studies versus one we win!" It is about which side is following the rules and has more facts. Sadly, research is being hidden or blocked by the NIDA making the whole issue slanted in favor to prohibitionists, when it really shouldn't.

This article written by a PhD expert in the fails documents NIDA subverting scientific facts to prove an ideological pro prohibition point.
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Also, to be considered a legitimate medicine, a substance must have well-defined and measureable ingredients that are consistent from one unit (such as a pill or injection) to the next. This consistency allows doctors to determine the dose and frequency. As the marijuana plant contains hundreds of chemical compounds that may have different effects and that vary from plant to plant, its use as a medicine is difficult to evaluate.

Marijuana plants can be grown into genetic perfection to create proper dosages. Many illegal drugs are actually used in hospitals. Cocaine is used in eye surgeries (though my father -- an eye surgeon -- prefers Afrin). Cocaine comes from a plant. We can engineer a consistent medical grade marijiana for medical use.


However, THC-based drugs to treat pain and nausea are already FDA approved and prescribed, and scientists continue to investigate the medicinal properties of cannabinoids. For more information, see DrugFacts - Is Marijuana Medicine?
Is Marijuana Addictive?

Pain killers killed michael Jackson. Pain killers kill hundreds each year. Marijuana works faster than these prescription pills. Marijuana may not be better than these pills (effective wise the pills are better) there is no reason to ban marijuana.

Marijiana would kill my lungs. Advil will hurt my liver (or is it kidney? I don't recall). I'm not saying marijiana is good, but its not the devil you're making it out to be. And for certian diseases evidence shows it has some benefit. Penn & Teller -- they have never done the stuff, their "sober and clean" -- explain this too.


Contrary to common belief, marijuana is addictive. Estimates from research suggest that about 9 percent of users become addicted to marijuana; this number increases among those who start young (to about 17 percent, or 1 in 6) and among daily users (to 25-50 percent). Thus, many of the nearly 7 percent of high-school seniors who (according to annual survey data) report smoking marijuana daily or almost daily are well on their way to addiction, if not already addicted (besides functioning at a sub-optimal level all of the time).

9% isn't that much. 30% of caffine users have addictive symptoms. Lets ban coca-cola.


Long-term marijuana users trying to quit report withdrawal symptoms including irritability, sleeplessness, decreased appetite, anxiety, and drug craving, all of which can make it difficult to remain abstinent. Behavioral interventions, including cognitive-behavioral therapy and motivational incentives (i.e., providing vouchers for goods or services to patients who remain abstinent) have proven to be effective in treating marijuana addiction. Although no medications are currently available, recent discoveries about the workings of the endocannabinoid system offer promise for the development of medications to ease withdrawal, block the intoxicating effects of marijuana, and prevent relapse

So do caffine users.


http://www.drugabuse.gov...

I'm not condoning drug usage. As I have said, I plan to stay "clean" as you put it. But marijuana usage, in SOME CASES ONLY PRESCRIBED BY A DOCTOR it can be good for your health. Recreational usage has more harm than good, but overall prohibition is harmful to society.

Recreational Marijuana -> bad -> medical -> under right circumstances, good -> prohibition = violent, crime ridden society.

Legalize it.
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2/4/2013 12:28:48 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/4/2013 12:22:43 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/3/2013 8:46:14 PM, GWL-CPA wrote:
You Drug addicts are all the same. Too bad you are missing out on a clean and sober

I support drug legalization. I have never done drugs or alcohol (a few small sips once). I never plan to do so again and will forever stay away from illicit. Also, I'm asthmatic so I cannot consume some smoked drugs anyway. Stop assuming we're all drugies. The vast majority of us aren't.

Nice. Go 16k- the only person with enough patience to respond to this jerk haha
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2/4/2013 12:37:32 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
SERIOUSLY, WTF, get off ur high horse dude. Mary-Jane is far from as harmful as alot of things out there, and its such a mellow experience. GAMING+Weed= happiness

In fact, anything+weed= happiness
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