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2/14/2013 1:50:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Do you prepare in advance for a debate? Do you amass information and source material before you enter into a debate, or initiate one? Or do you just jump in head first with a resolution and work it out as best you can during the debate?

I'd like to debate again, but my time is not always so open to it, but I'm thinking of doing the prep ahead of time so that I just have to type it all in. However, that is depending on an assumption that the debate will go as I think it will go.

I know that there are some who have specialized in debates where you will debate the same subject with variations, and different opponents, do you collect your source material and just keep a file on it?

Just wondering
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2/14/2013 2:10:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I'm a jump in kinda guy who does my research as and when is needed.

However, on the subject of philosophy and politics I am already quite beastly in my depth of knowledge that further research is fairly required for a win.
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2/14/2013 2:11:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/14/2013 2:10:34 PM, Connoisseur wrote:
I'm a jump in kinda guy who does my research as and when is needed.

However, on the subject of philosophy and politics I am already quite beastly in my depth of knowledge that further research is rarely required for a win.

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2/14/2013 2:16:31 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/14/2013 1:50:12 PM, innomen wrote:
Do you prepare in advance for a debate? Do you amass information and source material before you enter into a debate, or initiate one? Or do you just jump in head first with a resolution and work it out as best you can during the debate?

Definitely the second one ;D

I'd like to debate again, but my time is not always so open to it, but I'm thinking of doing the prep ahead of time so that I just have to type it all in. However, that is depending on an assumption that the debate will go as I think it will go.

Spoiler: They never go according to plan. The screwier the resolution the screwier it can turn out.

I know that there are some who have specialized in debates where you will debate the same subject with variations, and different opponents, do you collect your source material and just keep a file on it?

Im not that kinda debater who debates the same thing over and over and over again. Somebody get 16kadams in here, this is right up his alley.

Just wondering
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2/14/2013 2:18:53 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/14/2013 2:16:31 PM, imabench wrote:
At 2/14/2013 1:50:12 PM, innomen wrote:
Do you prepare in advance for a debate? Do you amass information and source material before you enter into a debate, or initiate one? Or do you just jump in head first with a resolution and work it out as best you can during the debate?

Definitely the second one ;D

I'd like to debate again, but my time is not always so open to it, but I'm thinking of doing the prep ahead of time so that I just have to type it all in. However, that is depending on an assumption that the debate will go as I think it will go.

Spoiler: They never go according to plan. The screwier the resolution the screwier it can turn out.

Says the master of screwy resolutions :-)

I know that there are some who have specialized in debates where you will debate the same subject with variations, and different opponents, do you collect your source material and just keep a file on it?

Im not that kinda debater who debates the same thing over and over and over again. Somebody get 16kadams in here, this is right up his alley.

Just wondering
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2/14/2013 2:20:28 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I just jump in, but that's made easier by the fact that I tend to accept and instigate resolutions I am already familiar with. I wouldn't have time to research, anyway; I'm always afraid that someone else will grab the debate before I do.
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2/14/2013 2:22:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/14/2013 2:20:28 PM, Maikuru wrote:
I just jump in, but that's made easier by the fact that I tend to accept and instigate resolutions I am already familiar with. I wouldn't have time to research, anyway; I'm always afraid that someone else will grab the debate before I do.

I would think there would be a definite advantage to prepping it.
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2/14/2013 2:27:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/14/2013 2:22:24 PM, innomen wrote:
At 2/14/2013 2:20:28 PM, Maikuru wrote:
I just jump in, but that's made easier by the fact that I tend to accept and instigate resolutions I am already familiar with. I wouldn't have time to research, anyway; I'm always afraid that someone else will grab the debate before I do.

I would think there would be a definite advantage to prepping it.

There absolutely is, if you've got the time. I've been caught off guard many times.
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2/14/2013 2:28:42 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/14/2013 2:27:25 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 2/14/2013 2:22:24 PM, innomen wrote:
At 2/14/2013 2:20:28 PM, Maikuru wrote:
I just jump in, but that's made easier by the fact that I tend to accept and instigate resolutions I am already familiar with. I wouldn't have time to research, anyway; I'm always afraid that someone else will grab the debate before I do.

I would think there would be a definite advantage to prepping it.

There absolutely is, if you've got the time. I've been caught off guard many times.

Yea, you've only won 40 out of 40 of your debates.
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2/14/2013 2:32:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I'm inclined to believe that debating skills are more valuable then actual knowledge. At the very least, knowing general concepts is probably more important then just looking up a bunch of sources and you never really know when the general concepts you learn will become useful. So having a strong background is better then prepping.
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2/14/2013 2:32:23 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/14/2013 2:28:42 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 2/14/2013 2:27:25 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 2/14/2013 2:22:24 PM, innomen wrote:
At 2/14/2013 2:20:28 PM, Maikuru wrote:
I just jump in, but that's made easier by the fact that I tend to accept and instigate resolutions I am already familiar with. I wouldn't have time to research, anyway; I'm always afraid that someone else will grab the debate before I do.

I would think there would be a definite advantage to prepping it.

There absolutely is, if you've got the time. I've been caught off guard many times.

Yea, you've only won 40 out of 40 of your debates.

The surprise is usually temporary.
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2/14/2013 3:17:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/14/2013 2:22:24 PM, innomen wrote:
At 2/14/2013 2:20:28 PM, Maikuru wrote:
I just jump in, but that's made easier by the fact that I tend to accept and instigate resolutions I am already familiar with. I wouldn't have time to research, anyway; I'm always afraid that someone else will grab the debate before I do.

I would think there would be a definite advantage to prepping it.

If the goal is winning the debate, then yes, prep time and familiarity with the material is IMHO absolutely essential.

If the goal is to encourage a dialectic discussion, then it really doesn't matter. However, I think the forums are better suited for any discussion, including those that involve diametrically opposed positions. Only after discussion still results in the same positions, and only if one desires to "beat out" the other guy for whatever reason, would I consider a debate.

If the goal is to hone debating skills, I'm not sure this website actually advances this goal. There are apparently many types and formats of formal debates, and this website doesn't really encourage any of them.

In this sense, I've almost completely gravitated to the forums.
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2/14/2013 4:28:53 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
For me it depends on the topic. Any science related topic, especially genetics, I doubt I need to research it any more than I already have, although I generally do a quick search for references, which is easy if you know what you're looking for. (No, I don't save references, although it does occur to me that I use them over and again. :P)

For other topics, I don't usually accept unless it's noob-snipe or I have been directly challenged to the topic. I usually have to read up quite a bit if it is not science or politics.
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2/14/2013 4:30:45 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I just play it all by ear, do research on the spot. REspond to arguments as I see them.
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2/14/2013 5:53:01 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I think ideally it would be best if research is done beforehand. I try to do this but have never actually succeeded thanks to being the biggest procrastinator that ever lived. Usually, I do research between the debate rounds and usually only when it is my turn and the timer starts ticking. I've decided though that I won't accept any debate in the future without having a round 1 argument ready.
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2/14/2013 5:57:57 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I tend to just jump in with the resolution and write whatever comes up from the top of my head.

Whenever I try to plan for a debate, I always change my idea with the arguments that I end up using during the debate, either:

1. I just feel like it
2. My opponent responded differently to the way I expect him/her to respond.

Plus, it's a lot easier that way :p (for me that is)
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2/14/2013 7:02:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/14/2013 1:50:12 PM, innomen wrote:
Do you prepare in advance for a debate? Do you amass information and source material before you enter into a debate, or initiate one? Or do you just jump in head first with a resolution and work it out as best you can during the debate?

I'd like to debate again, but my time is not always so open to it, but I'm thinking of doing the prep ahead of time so that I just have to type it all in. However, that is depending on an assumption that the debate will go as I think it will go.

I know that there are some who have specialized in debates where you will debate the same subject with variations, and different opponents, do you collect your source material and just keep a file on it?

Just wondering

I'm definitely the prep in advance type. It's one of the drawbacks of being cautious - I just never take the plunge into a debate where I'd have to do lots of research during the debate. I also very rarely debate outside my comfort zone, which again is so I'm relatively clear on roughly which direction the debate could go. I'm bad enough procrastinating over posts without adding research time into the mix.
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2/14/2013 7:05:31 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I just go as the debate progresses.
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2/14/2013 7:32:33 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I make sure I have a general idea of what I'm going to argue, and that there are sources out there that will support it. But I usually don't write anything beforehand unless I'm the instigator.

Basically, a small amount.
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2/14/2013 7:57:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I like to go in knowing nothing, gets the adrenaline rushing when there is just an hour left till deadline and you're just starting to do research.
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2/14/2013 8:13:45 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/14/2013 7:57:34 PM, FourTrouble wrote:
I like to go in knowing nothing, gets the adrenaline rushing when there is just an hour left till deadline and you're just starting to do research.

Lol. F-16, your procrastination skills have just been outmatched.
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2/15/2013 3:04:19 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I try to avoid fact based topics because research takes too long and in the end it's just not worthwhile. I prefer more philosophical topics where my logic is challenged. No matter what the topic is, there is always someone writing an opinion page about it. If I am not familiar with a topic I will normally Google and skim a few of them just to see what the general arguments for both sides are. If I am still comfortable with my position then I will accept and take it from there.