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qopel
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3/31/2013 11:33:29 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
There's a "debater" named Albert that keeps cutting and pasting arguments.
Is that acceptable? I thought that was considered plagiarism.
I keep losing debates to this guy, even though he does this.
tmar19652
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3/31/2013 12:12:36 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/31/2013 12:03:38 PM, qopel wrote:
I'm talking about cut and pasting from websites.

If you source it, yes, it is okay.
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Zaradi
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3/31/2013 12:20:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
If he wants to do that and still have a really good argument, he needs to have some form of original analysis to implicate the source in terms of the resolution. But so long as he's sourcing the cut and paste, it's legit. If he doesn't tack on any other analysis, I'd take away conduct simply because then it turns it into debating against an article and not a debater, but I'd still weigh it normally.
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qopel
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3/31/2013 3:24:20 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Then I don't see a reason why I should lose this debate
http://www.debate.org...

Another thing...how is it that people think a forfeit of a round constitutes a forfeit of an entire debate!??
sadolite
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3/31/2013 3:35:26 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Do they not teach "paraphrasing" in schools anymore? I would give an F to any student who copied a source word for word. Cut and paste "Lazy" even if it is considered acceptable. Poor conduct deduction in my book if it is going to be considered acceptable. Making it acceptable is just lowering standards, no if's and's or but's about it.
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4/1/2013 1:25:06 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/31/2013 3:24:20 PM, qopel wrote:
Then I don't see a reason why I should lose this debate
http://www.debate.org...

Another thing...how is it that people think a forfeit of a round constitutes a forfeit of an entire debate!??

It's a two round debate, in which the first round was challenge and acceptance. You forfeited round two. You never argued. That's a full forfeit. Were it not that your opponent also FFed by plagiarizing, I'd vote seven points against you.
qopel
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4/1/2013 2:37:07 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/1/2013 1:25:06 AM, wiploc wrote:
At 3/31/2013 3:24:20 PM, qopel wrote:
Then I don't see a reason why I should lose this debate
http://www.debate.org...

Another thing...how is it that people think a forfeit of a round constitutes a forfeit of an entire debate!??

It's a two round debate, in which the first round was challenge and acceptance. You forfeited round two. You never argued. That's a full forfeit. Were it not that your opponent also FFed by plagiarizing, I'd vote seven points against you.

I did not have the burden of proof, so why should I argue against something that wasn't proof?
Korashk
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4/1/2013 6:03:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I've never considered it to be acceptable. If I see that one debater has simply copy/pasted their entire argument with no original thought I will almost always default 7 points to their opponent.
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ConservativePolitico
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4/1/2013 6:05:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/31/2013 3:24:20 PM, qopel wrote:
Then I don't see a reason why I should lose this debate
http://www.debate.org...

Another thing...how is it that people think a forfeit of a round constitutes a forfeit of an entire debate!??

You lost because you didn't make any points. LOL
Korashk
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4/1/2013 6:08:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/1/2013 2:37:07 PM, qopel wrote:
At 4/1/2013 1:25:06 AM, wiploc wrote:
At 3/31/2013 3:24:20 PM, qopel wrote:
Then I don't see a reason why I should lose this debate
http://www.debate.org...

Another thing...how is it that people think a forfeit of a round constitutes a forfeit of an entire debate!??

It's a two round debate, in which the first round was challenge and acceptance. You forfeited round two. You never argued. That's a full forfeit. Were it not that your opponent also FFed by plagiarizing, I'd vote seven points against you.

I did not have the burden of proof, so why should I argue against something that wasn't proof?

Because burden of proof is not a black and white concept, especially when you instigate the debate. It's pretty poor conduct to instigate as Con anyways. Why should you win the debate for literally doing nothing?
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