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Definition of votebombs?

Ragnar
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4/16/2013 11:28:53 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Pretty new here... I've seen votebombs declared over any number of votes, even when explanations are in place. The official seeming definition I read, was precise on what a votebomb is.

"votebombing: Is a practice on DDO where a member puts all of his votes towards one member either because he agrees with that member or because he wants that member to win. Never, ever votebomb, and if you feel it is necessary to put all 7 votes towards one member, make sure to leave a Reason For Decision (RFD) that explains your reasoning" (1).

If "all votes" was not clear enough, it clarifies it to "7 votes towards one member."

If I am not somehow taking the above out of context, where are people getting the other definitions from? Links to the official sources for this website would be appreciated.

Also bare in mind, I am not arguing that all votes which are not votebombs are noble and just, knighted and wearing shiny armor, or any other way in the right.

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4/16/2013 2:38:46 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/16/2013 11:28:53 AM, Ragnar wrote:
Pretty new here... I've seen votebombs declared over any number of votes, even when explanations are in place. The official seeming definition I read, was precise on what a votebomb is.

"votebombing: Is a practice on DDO where a member puts all of his votes towards one member either because he agrees with that member or because he wants that member to win. Never, ever votebomb, and if you feel it is necessary to put all 7 votes towards one member, make sure to leave a Reason For Decision (RFD) that explains your reasoning" (1).

If "all votes" was not clear enough, it clarifies it to "7 votes towards one member."

If I am not somehow taking the above out of context, where are people getting the other definitions from? Links to the official sources for this website would be appreciated.

Also bare in mind, I am not arguing that all votes which are not votebombs are noble and just, knighted and wearing shiny armor, or any other way in the right.

Source:
(1) http://www.debate.org...

A vote-bomb is any vote where someone gives unearned points to someone who they want to win. If you give 5 points to the person you want to win without justifying those points, but you gave he other guy 1 point, you still vote bombed. Only the argument vote is for who had the better argument, so justifying sources and conduct by the argument is technically vote bombing. If you tie a vote, just to avoid giving someone a point, you vote bombed. If you didn't read the debate, you vote bombed. If you vote on something not mentioned in the debate, you vote bombed. If you ignore a rebuttal, and count it as a dropped point, because you liked the argument the debater was rebutting, you vote bombed. If a debater a ceded point, but you counted it in his favor, you vote bombed. If you ignore the resolution or BOP, you vote bombed.
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4/16/2013 4:01:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
There are more types of votebombs than that. Any vote that doesn't have an RFD is a votebomb. A vote with an invalid RFD is referred to as a votebomb too.

The other type of votebomb is a rationalised vote. It's where the voter makes up a reason to give points to the side of his choosing. I've been going through every debate you've voted on Ragnar, it seems you are guilty of this.

A good vote requires a complete understanding of the debate. If people are debating quantum mechanics, or music theory, and you have no expertise in the area, refrain from voting. Also, don't simply vote for whoever you agree with, analyse the debate and try to work out who won and why. When I vote, I usually paste the debates into a word document and then put each argument together and read through to see who won each point. It works well and is recommended.
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4/16/2013 4:15:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
A vote bomb is a vote that the society of DDO wold deem the equivalent of being homosexual in a Muslim society.
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4/16/2013 4:51:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Another matter which may be related, is one person I talked to stated Source Votes should be based on how much the argument called for sources or not, not merely which side used better/relevant sources. If true and one argument is very strong and uses good sources, vs an argument that is too weak to even be an argument, neither side would get any source votes? What happens if one side turns the sources the other side used to support their own argument, would the side that did not originally cite them then gain credit for sources? Also what if one side uses terrible/unrelated sources, and the other side uses none, would that be a tie on sources or would that actually count against the side that used them.

Dant:
Could you give me a link to your source on that?
I have to agree with the sentiment of "justifying sources and conduct by the argument is technically vote bombing." Those are intentionally separate categories from the argument itself, much like how spelling and grammar does not outweigh a good argument.

Controverter:
Could you give me a link to your source on that?
Sorry, I really don't know what to say to your comment, as I'm unsure what it means other than surprisingly common on Thursdays.
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4/18/2013 12:35:35 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Another question: Do fallacies count against argument or conduct?

Still waiting on sources for those other definitions of VB, if a votebomb is not the 7 point usual nonsense.

Assuming a VB is the seven point and or no explanation, would someone claiming a VB when there is proved to not be count against anything if caught, or is voting strictly what is inside the argument? (I know it is at least 90-95% that, but is it 100%?)
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