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5/22/2013 8:45:35 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Because of the extent of the infractions by a visible and known member who's contributions were, I thought, generally positive, I felt it would be prudent to make this announcement as members have been contacting me and asking about it. I considered delaying until my Friday admin update, but for the sake of full disclosure decided it was best just to let members know now.

(Just a side note, I generally don't announce temp-bans like this. I give those members a heads up about it and they can decide whether to post a thread about how they are being temp-banned and complain/agree about it as they see fit or say something publicly afterwards, though it's up to them. But otherwise, since the consequence is the temp-ban itself, and not any form of public shaming, I don't generally feel it's appropriate. This thread also isn't about public shaming, but being open with the community when these things happen, about conduct damaging to the site, and what types of conduct are not acceptable.)

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Apeiron has been banned for the following site conduct violations:

*Multi accounting
*Multi voting
*Multi account vote bombing
*Multi account self voting (Alt voting)
*Multi debating
*Retributive voting

The following accounts were Apeiron Multi accounts:

Reason Alliance
Anthra Sight
Anaxa
Sola.Gratia ***(Edit: Sola was not originally an Apeiron multi, but a unique and sincere member who left the site. Apeiron gained access to her account and used it as his own)***

The following 5 accounts were created by Apeiron specifically to votebomb in favor of himself on this debate:

http://www.debate.org...

Gustav
LucyLucy
TomCruise
HillmanYusuf111
HelpFindingBooks306

The following accounts were Apeirons former accounts, all banned a year ago for multi accounting and alt voting:

WXgeo
Jru
PSR

Apeiron has been permanently banned from DDO for threatening the integrity of the site and the legitimacy of debate results.
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5/22/2013 8:49:32 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/22/2013 8:45:35 PM, airmax1227 wrote:

The following accounts were Apeiron Multi accounts:

Reason Alliance

I called this one 5 months ago.
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5/22/2013 8:49:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
He was arrogantly annoying too
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5/22/2013 8:50:01 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
What an interesting turn of events. The "Sola.Gratia" account seemed to find amusement in incessantly PM'ing me.
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5/22/2013 8:54:47 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/22/2013 8:49:32 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 5/22/2013 8:45:35 PM, airmax1227 wrote:

The following accounts were Apeiron Multi accounts:

Reason Alliance

I called this one 5 months ago.

yeah... I also busted the Anaxa account months ago with an IP match but let it slide based on a convoluted story he told. I explained, as I always do in those situations, that members who have matching IPs (we do have legit family members, spouses and roommates on the site) can not debate each other or vote on each others debates. I gave him the benefit of the doubt, though it was clearly in the end the wrong call.
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5/22/2013 9:03:31 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/22/2013 9:00:43 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Airmax, how do you know if a user made multiple accounts?

I'm not going to answer any site security related questions. I can just say with 100% confidence that he did.
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5/22/2013 9:06:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/22/2013 9:03:31 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/22/2013 9:00:43 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Airmax, how do you know if a user made multiple accounts?

I'm not going to answer any site security related questions. I can just say with 100% confidence that he did.

He seems to be practically an artist with personality then, because the characters he created seemed so real.
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5/22/2013 9:07:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/22/2013 9:03:31 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/22/2013 9:00:43 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Airmax, how do you know if a user made multiple accounts?

I'm not going to answer any site security related questions. I can just say with 100% confidence that he did.

"I also busted the Anaxa account months ago with an IP match"

Mkaaaaay Airmax ;D I wouldn't feel comfortable if you guys had to make educated guesses; I figured it when along the lines of IP matching.
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5/22/2013 9:12:05 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/22/2013 9:06:58 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 5/22/2013 9:03:31 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/22/2013 9:00:43 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Airmax, how do you know if a user made multiple accounts?

I'm not going to answer any site security related questions. I can just say with 100% confidence that he did.

He seems to be practically an artist with personality then, because the characters he created seemed so real.

I'm still stunned that he was Sola.Gratia. She(he?) seemed just like a dumb 20 year old feminine girl. xD It's hard to believe that someone like Aperion could make a personality like that.
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5/22/2013 9:12:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/22/2013 9:07:17 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 5/22/2013 9:03:31 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/22/2013 9:00:43 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Airmax, how do you know if a user made multiple accounts?

I'm not going to answer any site security related questions. I can just say with 100% confidence that he did.

"I also busted the Anaxa account months ago with an IP match"

Mkaaaaay Airmax ;D I wouldn't feel comfortable if you guys had to make educated guesses; I figured it when along the lines of IP matching.

The above is one method for how we catch multi accounts. We don't make educated guesses, but use real and verifiable data. I wouldn't have posted this if I wasn't certain.
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5/22/2013 9:12:57 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/22/2013 9:12:05 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 5/22/2013 9:06:58 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 5/22/2013 9:03:31 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/22/2013 9:00:43 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Airmax, how do you know if a user made multiple accounts?

I'm not going to answer any site security related questions. I can just say with 100% confidence that he did.

He seems to be practically an artist with personality then, because the characters he created seemed so real.

I'm still stunned that he was Sola.Gratia. She(he?) seemed just like a dumb 20 year old feminine girl. xD It's hard to believe that someone like Aperion could make a personality like that.

I know?! Did she non-stop PM you as well?
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5/22/2013 9:13:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Wow, someone being both Apeiron and Sola_Gratia at the same time? Talk about crazy...
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5/22/2013 9:14:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/22/2013 8:49:34 PM, imabench wrote:
He was arrogantly annoying too

I'm so glad I'm not that arrogant...only annoying:D
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5/22/2013 9:15:31 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/22/2013 9:12:05 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 5/22/2013 9:06:58 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 5/22/2013 9:03:31 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/22/2013 9:00:43 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Airmax, how do you know if a user made multiple accounts?

I'm not going to answer any site security related questions. I can just say with 100% confidence that he did.

He seems to be practically an artist with personality then, because the characters he created seemed so real.

I'm still stunned that he was Sola.Gratia. She(he?) seemed just like a dumb 20 year old feminine girl. xD It's hard to believe that someone like Aperion could make a personality like that.

How do we know that Sola.Gratia wasn't the real personality, with delusions of being an arrogant, abrasive theologist/geologist from Pitt?
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
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5/22/2013 9:19:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/22/2013 9:12:57 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 5/22/2013 9:12:05 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 5/22/2013 9:06:58 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 5/22/2013 9:03:31 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/22/2013 9:00:43 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Airmax, how do you know if a user made multiple accounts?

I'm not going to answer any site security related questions. I can just say with 100% confidence that he did.

He seems to be practically an artist with personality then, because the characters he created seemed so real.

I'm still stunned that he was Sola.Gratia. She(he?) seemed just like a dumb 20 year old feminine girl. xD It's hard to believe that someone like Aperion could make a personality like that.

I know?! Did she non-stop PM you as well?

She(he) didn't pm at all, but she(he) did post stuff on my profile like this:

Haha okay hahha calm down..

Iron man?? Really?? Sorry to break it to ya bud but he's whack in my opinion lol.. How about batman? Lol

whyd u change ur picture.. I liked ur bunny pic.. it was soo cute lol! :p

Lol, I noticed dear.. Haha!!

I like the cute bunny picture lol!
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5/22/2013 9:26:32 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
"Sola.Gratia"

Wow. Really? That's extremely surprising. I would have never guessed.
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5/22/2013 9:27:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Everybody was floored when they found out he was Sola.gratia. I don't think a single soul expected it
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5/22/2013 9:30:19 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
More news for DDO news weekly. Awesome. That and all the other stuff thats been happening this week, might give me like a 30 minute long video lol
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5/22/2013 9:32:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/22/2013 9:19:48 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 5/22/2013 9:12:57 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 5/22/2013 9:12:05 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 5/22/2013 9:06:58 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 5/22/2013 9:03:31 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/22/2013 9:00:43 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Airmax, how do you know if a user made multiple accounts?

I'm not going to answer any site security related questions. I can just say with 100% confidence that he did.

He seems to be practically an artist with personality then, because the characters he created seemed so real.

I'm still stunned that he was Sola.Gratia. She(he?) seemed just like a dumb 20 year old feminine girl. xD It's hard to believe that someone like Aperion could make a personality like that.

I know?! Did she non-stop PM you as well?

She(he) didn't pm at all, but she(he) did post stuff on my profile like this:

Haha okay hahha calm down..

Iron man?? Really?? Sorry to break it to ya bud but he's whack in my opinion lol.. How about batman? Lol

whyd u change ur picture.. I liked ur bunny pic.. it was soo cute lol! :p

Lol, I noticed dear.. Haha!!

I like the cute bunny picture lol!


Yeah... The Sola.Gratia account was the most surprising to me too... Look at a couple recent comments by her on my profile... kind of ironic now.
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5/22/2013 9:34:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/22/2013 9:32:55 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
Yeah... The Sola.Gratia account was the most surprising to me too... Look at a couple recent comments by her on my profile... kind of ironic now.

It probably started out as someone in his family or something until he learned the password and vote bombed with it or something.
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5/22/2013 9:36:29 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
This was posted by Sola on Airmax's profile.

Posted by Sola.Gratia 3 days ago
Sola.Gratia: Hey quick question, what things does a person have to do to be banned temporarily from DDO? Asking so that I make sure I don't get caught up in anything I shouldn't.

Ahha, now Aperion is showing through the account. She never did have grammar that good. xD
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5/22/2013 9:39:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/22/2013 8:45:35 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
Apeiron has been banned for the following site conduct violations:

*Multi accounting
*Multi voting
*Multi account vote bombing
*Multi account self voting (Alt voting)
*Multi debating
*Retributive voting
*Being a douchebag

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5/22/2013 9:39:45 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Ah. Sola.Gratia sent me a PM a few days ago asking me to vote for Apeiron in his most recent debate, and I just ignored it since I was busy. Yeah. Okay. I see now.
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5/22/2013 9:40:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/22/2013 9:34:39 PM, TUF wrote:
At 5/22/2013 9:32:55 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
Yeah... The Sola.Gratia account was the most surprising to me too... Look at a couple recent comments by her on my profile... kind of ironic now.

It probably started out as someone in his family or something until he learned the password and vote bombed with it or something.

I doubt it. I believe it was Apeiron from the very beginning. The guy was apparently very good at "acting".
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5/22/2013 9:41:09 PM
Posted: 3 years ago

Haha okay hahha calm down..

Iron man?? Really?? Sorry to break it to ya bud but he's whack in my opinion lol.. How about batman? Lol

whyd u change ur picture.. I liked ur bunny pic.. it was soo cute lol! :p

Lol, I noticed dear.. Haha!!

I like the cute bunny picture lol!


Are you sure that you just didn't ban your own multi?
#UnbanTheMadman

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Or lose the race to rats
Get caught in ticking traps
And start to dream of somewhere
To relax their restless flight
Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights..."

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