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DanT
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5/23/2013 7:27:03 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
When I first joined DDO, I had some pretty good debates. Debaters, voters, and the people in the forums were more open minded and the conversations were more intelligent. Now it seems every other argument/post is riddled with fallacies and/or ad hominem attacks. People don't even read what is being said when they make a reply, and when they do they usually take what is said out of context, or they assume subtext where non exists.

What happened? Did people just stop giving a crap, or is it something else?
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5/23/2013 7:30:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Something in the water. I think Imabench is behind it.
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5/23/2013 7:32:07 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 7:27:03 PM, DanT wrote:
When I first joined DDO, I had some pretty good debates. Debaters, voters, and the people in the forums were more open minded and the conversations were more intelligent. Now it seems every other argument/post is riddled with fallacies and/or ad hominem attacks. People don't even read what is being said when they make a reply, and when they do they usually take what is said out of context, or they assume subtext where non exists.

What happened? Did people just stop giving a crap, or is it something else?

Note that you have a quote of mine that ends with "..." meaning that you edited words out mid-sentence.
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5/23/2013 7:34:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 7:30:55 PM, Magic8000 wrote:
Something in the water. I think Imabench is behind it.

Behind some of it, probably. At least 90% of his contributions are either insults and dismissals or joke debates. And people just keep encouraging him.
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5/23/2013 7:36:20 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 7:34:51 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 5/23/2013 7:30:55 PM, Magic8000 wrote:
Something in the water. I think Imabench is behind it.

Behind some of it, probably. At least 90% of his contributions are either insults and dismissals or joke debates. And people just keep encouraging him.


He does control most of our minds. Hail Ima!
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5/23/2013 8:03:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 7:30:55 PM, Magic8000 wrote:
Something in the water. I think Imabench is behind it.

;D
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5/23/2013 8:04:07 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 7:34:51 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 5/23/2013 7:30:55 PM, Magic8000 wrote:
Something in the water. I think Imabench is behind it.

Behind some of it, probably. At least 90% of his contributions are either insults and dismissals or joke debates. And people just keep encouraging him.

And when was the last time you debated anything at all ike? you havent debated in like 9 months now and im certainly not stopping you either.
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5/23/2013 8:10:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 7:40:55 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
I agree. I rarely see interesting debate challenges these days.

I rarely see interesting topics in the forums these days. About 90% of the topics are not worth responding to.
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5/23/2013 8:19:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 8:10:43 PM, DanT wrote:
At 5/23/2013 7:40:55 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
I agree. I rarely see interesting debate challenges these days.

I rarely see interesting topics in the forums these days. About 90% of the topics are not worth responding to.

Pretty much.
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5/23/2013 8:19:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 8:04:07 PM, imabench wrote:
At 5/23/2013 7:34:51 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 5/23/2013 7:30:55 PM, Magic8000 wrote:
Something in the water. I think Imabench is behind it.

Behind some of it, probably. At least 90% of his contributions are either insults and dismissals or joke debates. And people just keep encouraging him.

And when was the last time you debated anything at all ike? you havent debated in like 9 months now and im certainly not stopping you either.

He's not allowed to be mean to you.
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5/23/2013 8:40:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 8:19:40 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 5/23/2013 8:04:07 PM, imabench wrote:
At 5/23/2013 7:34:51 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 5/23/2013 7:30:55 PM, Magic8000 wrote:
Something in the water. I think Imabench is behind it.

Behind some of it, probably. At least 90% of his contributions are either insults and dismissals or joke debates. And people just keep encouraging him.

And when was the last time you debated anything at all ike? you havent debated in like 9 months now and im certainly not stopping you either.

He's not allowed to be mean to you.

Sure he is, I dont mind... It actually fuels me ;D
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5/23/2013 8:42:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
The debates worth taking are generally made by higher ELO members and are generally taken very quickly. All the worthless debates stay for a couple of days till another noob takes it or a higher ELO member feels like taking the easy win.

Thus is the cycle of DDO.
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5/23/2013 8:51:23 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 8:04:07 PM, imabench wrote:
At 5/23/2013 7:34:51 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 5/23/2013 7:30:55 PM, Magic8000 wrote:
Something in the water. I think Imabench is behind it.

Behind some of it, probably. At least 90% of his contributions are either insults and dismissals or joke debates. And people just keep encouraging him.

And when was the last time you debated anything at all ike? you havent debated in like 9 months now and im certainly not stopping you either.

I like how you didn't bother denying anything he accused you of. Making note of Ike's contributions in response to what he said is, at best, a red herring.
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5/23/2013 9:04:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 8:51:23 PM, DakotaKrafick wrote:
At 5/23/2013 8:04:07 PM, imabench wrote:
At 5/23/2013 7:34:51 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 5/23/2013 7:30:55 PM, Magic8000 wrote:
Something in the water. I think Imabench is behind it.

Behind some of it, probably. At least 90% of his contributions are either insults and dismissals or joke debates. And people just keep encouraging him.

And when was the last time you debated anything at all ike? you havent debated in like 9 months now and im certainly not stopping you either.

I like how you didn't bother denying anything he accused you of.

If he said insults and dismissals I would have, but he included joke debates which do make up a very large majority of my contributions to the site these days :P

Making note of Ike's contributions in response to what he said is, at best, a red herring.

I find it funny that he whines about the 'deteriorating quality of the site' when he himself hasnt done anything to improve it in months....
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5/23/2013 9:07:33 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 9:04:51 PM, imabench wrote:

I find it funny that he whines about the 'deteriorating quality of the site' when he himself hasnt done anything to improve it in months....

This. If you want the site to be better, act to make it better; whining that others haven't made it better, when you haven't either, is quite the pot calling the kettle black.

I would love for there to be more interesting debates to be watching right now but y'know what? I can't think of any I want to do offhand, so I sure as heck can't complain about others' inability to think up a good one, either.
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5/23/2013 9:20:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 9:04:51 PM, imabench wrote:
At 5/23/2013 8:51:23 PM, DakotaKrafick wrote:
At 5/23/2013 8:04:07 PM, imabench wrote:
At 5/23/2013 7:34:51 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 5/23/2013 7:30:55 PM, Magic8000 wrote:
Something in the water. I think Imabench is behind it.

Behind some of it, probably. At least 90% of his contributions are either insults and dismissals or joke debates. And people just keep encouraging him.

And when was the last time you debated anything at all ike? you havent debated in like 9 months now and im certainly not stopping you either.

I like how you didn't bother denying anything he accused you of.

If he said insults and dismissals I would have, but he included joke debates which do make up a very large majority of my contributions to the site these days :P

Joke debates are a refreshing way to break up the tension of more serious debates; what I don't like is when DDO gets to a state where serious debates actually become the refreshing break from joke debates.

Making note of Ike's contributions in response to what he said is, at best, a red herring.

I find it funny that he whines about the 'deteriorating quality of the site' when he himself hasnt done anything to improve it in months....

I haven't seen much of Ike's contributions recently (guess we frequent different parts of the forum?) but from what I have seen, it does seem like he's become a bit angsty of late.

Speaking of which, Ike, my challenge is still on the table: "Christians deserve to be made fun of;" you'll be pro.
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5/23/2013 9:21:47 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 9:20:16 PM, DakotaKrafick wrote:
At 5/23/2013 9:04:51 PM, imabench wrote:

If he said insults and dismissals I would have, but he included joke debates which do make up a very large majority of my contributions to the site these days :P

Joke debates are a refreshing way to break up the tension of more serious debates; what I don't like is when DDO gets to a state where serious debates actually become the refreshing break from joke debates.

Ah yes, that would be a problem

Making note of Ike's contributions in response to what he said is, at best, a red herring.

I find it funny that he whines about the 'deteriorating quality of the site' when he himself hasnt done anything to improve it in months....

I haven't seen much of Ike's contributions recently (guess we frequent different parts of the forum?) but from what I have seen, it does seem like he's become a bit angsty of late.

nah hes like this all the time.

Speaking of which, Ike, my challenge is still on the table: "Christians deserve to be made fun of;" you'll be pro.
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5/23/2013 9:27:02 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 7:32:07 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 5/23/2013 7:27:03 PM, DanT wrote:
When I first joined DDO, I had some pretty good debates. Debaters, voters, and the people in the forums were more open minded and the conversations were more intelligent. Now it seems every other argument/post is riddled with fallacies and/or ad hominem attacks. People don't even read what is being said when they make a reply, and when they do they usually take what is said out of context, or they assume subtext where non exists.

What happened? Did people just stop giving a crap, or is it something else?

Note that you have a quote of mine that ends with "..." meaning that you edited words out mid-sentence.

Ore_Ele has a good point.

DanT, I remember your debate with Ore_Ele ages ago on global warming. After losing the debate, you created a huge ruckus and complained about a bunch of votes. You claimed that a lot of them were biased.

Why do you complain now about a decline in the quality of the site? The word "decline" indicates that you once found the site to be of higher quality, yet from your debates and posts, ages ago, I never got the feeling that you considered the site or its voting to be anything other than biased and low quality.

I agree to an extent that votes were better then and a lot of good voters used to vote a lot. I am curious as to why you think this to be the case.
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5/23/2013 10:08:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 7:27:03 PM, DanT wrote:
When I first joined DDO, I had some pretty good debates. Debaters, voters, and the people in the forums were more open minded and the conversations were more intelligent. Now it seems every other argument/post is riddled with fallacies and/or ad hominem attacks. People don't even read what is being said when they make a reply, and when they do they usually take what is said out of context, or they assume subtext where non exists.

What happened? Did people just stop giving a crap, or is it something else?

I think it's human nature to romanticize the past, and to a lesser degree lament the present. I also think that individual experiences with DDO tend to vary considerably as members come and go.
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5/23/2013 10:22:09 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
No. Do not make these threads. These threads are stupid. I do not want to see these threads ever again.
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5/23/2013 10:41:11 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 10:22:09 PM, FREEDO wrote:
No. Do not make these threads. These threads are stupid. I do not want to see these threads ever again.

seeing as how freedo has been around here longer then anybody else at this point, i think he ha the ultimate say in determining if this site has improved or degraded
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5/23/2013 10:46:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
It's declined in some ways but improved in others. Formal debates/votes have declined but forum debating has exploded. I would say it evens out, although I personally prefer more formal debates
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5/23/2013 10:49:21 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
If you wanted me to do more debates, you coulda just said so.
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5/23/2013 10:50:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 10:49:21 PM, Maikuru wrote:
If you wanted me to do more debates, you coulda just said so.

debate ryuu so one of you can get that first loss!!! it would be the fight of the century!!!!
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5/23/2013 10:54:42 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 10:50:41 PM, imabench wrote:
At 5/23/2013 10:49:21 PM, Maikuru wrote:
If you wanted me to do more debates, you coulda just said so.

debate ryuu so one of you can get that first loss!!! it would be the fight of the century!!!!

Patience, friend. This shall come to pass, when the time is right.

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5/23/2013 10:56:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 10:49:21 PM, Maikuru wrote:
If you wanted me to do more debates, you coulda just said so.

And moreover, one does not have to post in the forums.
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5/23/2013 11:01:42 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 9:27:02 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 5/23/2013 7:32:07 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 5/23/2013 7:27:03 PM, DanT wrote:
When I first joined DDO, I had some pretty good debates. Debaters, voters, and the people in the forums were more open minded and the conversations were more intelligent. Now it seems every other argument/post is riddled with fallacies and/or ad hominem attacks. People don't even read what is being said when they make a reply, and when they do they usually take what is said out of context, or they assume subtext where non exists.

What happened? Did people just stop giving a crap, or is it something else?

Note that you have a quote of mine that ends with "..." meaning that you edited words out mid-sentence.

Ore_Ele has a good point.

DanT, I remember your debate with Ore_Ele ages ago on global warming. After losing the debate, you created a huge ruckus and complained about a bunch of votes. You claimed that a lot of them were biased.

Why do you complain now about a decline in the quality of the site? The word "decline" indicates that you once found the site to be of higher quality, yet from your debates and posts, ages ago, I never got the feeling that you considered the site or its voting to be anything other than biased and low quality.

I agree to an extent that votes were better then and a lot of good voters used to vote a lot. I am curious as to why you think this to be the case.

lol, he's just bitching about a debate we had (the one in my sig). In the comments of the debate he used almost the exact wording:

..take what is said out of context, or they assume subtext where non exists.

In this sense there's nothing here but DanT acting like a spoil sport, which is nothing new. I'd suggest everyone just move on, and Freedo is correct, threads like this are stupid.

This site is what you make out of it. If you think the quality is declining, that may be more of a personal statement than a statement about this website.
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5/24/2013 11:23:55 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 11:01:42 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 5/23/2013 9:27:02 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 5/23/2013 7:32:07 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 5/23/2013 7:27:03 PM, DanT wrote:
When I first joined DDO, I had some pretty good debates. Debaters, voters, and the people in the forums were more open minded and the conversations were more intelligent. Now it seems every other argument/post is riddled with fallacies and/or ad hominem attacks. People don't even read what is being said when they make a reply, and when they do they usually take what is said out of context, or they assume subtext where non exists.

What happened? Did people just stop giving a crap, or is it something else?

Note that you have a quote of mine that ends with "..." meaning that you edited words out mid-sentence.

Ore_Ele has a good point.

DanT, I remember your debate with Ore_Ele ages ago on global warming. After losing the debate, you created a huge ruckus and complained about a bunch of votes. You claimed that a lot of them were biased.

Why do you complain now about a decline in the quality of the site? The word "decline" indicates that you once found the site to be of higher quality, yet from your debates and posts, ages ago, I never got the feeling that you considered the site or its voting to be anything other than biased and low quality.

I agree to an extent that votes were better then and a lot of good voters used to vote a lot. I am curious as to why you think this to be the case.

lol, he's just bitching about a debate we had (the one in my sig). In the comments of the debate he used almost the exact wording:

..take what is said out of context, or they assume subtext where non exists.

Wow you are narcissistic. This thread was actually sparked by a conversation that I was not even apart of. I was scrolling through threads on the forums and saw people doing to others, what you were doing to me. Seems to be a epidemic.

In this sense there's nothing here but DanT acting like a spoil sport, which is nothing new.
Ad Hominem, please stop trolling me. How can I be a spoil sport for a debate that has no winner or loser? Seriously dude.....
I'd suggest everyone just move on, and Freedo is correct, threads like this are stupid.

Why??? If you ignore an issue it just gets worse. Do you want the issue to get worse?
This site is what you make out of it. If you think the quality is declining, that may be more of a personal statement than a statement about this website.

Yet others have noticed it too. What a strange phenomenon
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5/24/2013 11:25:49 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/23/2013 7:27:03 PM, DanT wrote:
When I first joined DDO, I had some pretty good debates. Debaters, voters, and the people in the forums were more open minded and the conversations were more intelligent. Now it seems every other argument/post is riddled with fallacies and/or ad hominem attacks. People don't even read what is being said when they make a reply, and when they do they usually take what is said out of context, or they assume subtext where non exists.

What happened? Did people just stop giving a crap, or is it something else?

Yes, people don't give a crap. They lack creativity and imagination.
So they are hot for a short while, then they fall flat.
Thatll never happen with me. I stay hot. =)