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Noctan
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7/20/2013 10:46:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Ive seen in some votes for debates, the reason they voted the way they did is FF. What is FF?
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7/20/2013 11:10:53 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/20/2013 10:47:48 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
Forfeit.

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7/20/2013 11:27:01 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/20/2013 10:47:48 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
Forfeit.

Correction, it's Full Forfeit. Someone can miss a single round and still win on argument (usually they automatically lose conduct), but when they disappear completely (say half the rounds or more) it's customary to just vote in favor of the person who actually stuck around.
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7/20/2013 11:29:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/20/2013 11:27:01 PM, Ragnar wrote:
At 7/20/2013 10:47:48 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
Forfeit.

Correction, it's Full Forfeit. Someone can miss a single round and still win on argument (usually they automatically lose conduct), but when they disappear completely (say half the rounds or more) it's customary to just vote in favor of the person who actually stuck around.

That's somewhat subjective, as different people use it differently. There are many that use the FF if only a round or two are missed.
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7/20/2013 11:40:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/20/2013 11:29:22 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2013 11:27:01 PM, Ragnar wrote:
At 7/20/2013 10:47:48 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
Forfeit.

Correction, it's Full Forfeit. Someone can miss a single round and still win on argument (usually they automatically lose conduct), but when they disappear completely (say half the rounds or more) it's customary to just vote in favor of the person who actually stuck around.

That's somewhat subjective, as different people use it differently. There are many that use the FF if only a round or two are missed.

those people would have votebombed then. It's generally accepted that missing 1 round or maybe even 2 depending constitutes at most a loss of conduct. For "FF" to be a sufficient RFD, the losing debater must have forwarded absolutely no response to argument posed.
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7/20/2013 11:40:50 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
or conceded to his opponent mid-debate
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7/20/2013 11:45:06 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/20/2013 11:42:59 PM, wiploc wrote:
I do full forfeits for plagiarism: I vote all seven points to the person who didn't plagiarize.

Yeah, but you don't use "FF", do ya?
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7/21/2013 12:18:50 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/20/2013 11:40:00 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 7/20/2013 11:29:22 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 7/20/2013 11:27:01 PM, Ragnar wrote:
At 7/20/2013 10:47:48 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
Forfeit.

Correction, it's Full Forfeit. Someone can miss a single round and still win on argument (usually they automatically lose conduct), but when they disappear completely (say half the rounds or more) it's customary to just vote in favor of the person who actually stuck around.

That's somewhat subjective, as different people use it differently. There are many that use the FF if only a round or two are missed.

those people would have votebombed then. It's generally accepted that missing 1 round or maybe even 2 depending constitutes at most a loss of conduct. For "FF" to be a sufficient RFD, the losing debater must have forwarded absolutely no response to argument posed.

That would depend on how many points they gave.
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7/21/2013 12:22:59 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
So, what we have learned here is that there is no consensus on what FF means. =)
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7/21/2013 12:46:42 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/20/2013 11:40:50 PM, 000ike wrote:
or conceded to his opponent mid-debate

That is a concession, a whole other matter. Usually they get favorable conduct for it, but at the expense of automatically losing the argument. It's not the same thing as a forfeit, which is a clear breach of conduct.
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7/21/2013 1:20:57 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/20/2013 11:45:06 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 7/20/2013 11:42:59 PM, wiploc wrote:
I do full forfeits for plagiarism: I vote all seven points to the person who didn't plagiarize.

Yeah, but you don't use "FF", do ya?

Hmm. I don't know.
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7/21/2013 1:47:41 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/21/2013 1:20:57 AM, wiploc wrote:
At 7/20/2013 11:45:06 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 7/20/2013 11:42:59 PM, wiploc wrote:
I do full forfeits for plagiarism: I vote all seven points to the person who didn't plagiarize.

Yeah, but you don't use "FF", do ya?

Hmm. I don't know.

"FF" means ForFeit
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7/21/2013 8:46:49 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/21/2013 12:46:42 AM, Ragnar wrote:
At 7/20/2013 11:40:50 PM, 000ike wrote:
or conceded to his opponent mid-debate

That is a concession, a whole other matter. Usually they get favorable conduct for it, but at the expense of automatically losing the argument. It's not the same thing as a forfeit, which is a clear breach of conduct.

no. You can concede a point and you can concede the argument. If you concede the argument that's FF.
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7/21/2013 8:52:58 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
So you're saying that it's bad conduct to be moved by someone else's argument, enough to change your mind? Or even to outright admit they had a better case?
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7/21/2013 9:06:27 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/21/2013 8:52:58 AM, Ragnar wrote:
So you're saying that it's bad conduct to be moved by someone else's argument, enough to change your mind? Or even to outright admit they had a better case?

That's not at all what I said. I said that if you give up your case and agree with your opponent's entire case mid-debate, you've lost the whole debate. That's a full forfeit. I've also never heard of anyone giving conduct to people who conceded some points. That's not a good thing or bad thing, it's just what you do in the process of molding a more compelling argument. Conduct is usually given to the other debater if the opponent doesn't show up for a round or 2. If the opponent doesn't show up for several rounds, that's also full forfeit.
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7/21/2013 9:23:17 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
"poor conduct to forfeit a round" -DDO Orientation.

Call it what you will, I'll stick with calling such a concession and award conduct to them. I shall also not randomly shorten words in English to two of their characters. I mean we don't call Conduct CC, even when it has two C's in it.
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7/21/2013 9:27:01 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/21/2013 9:23:17 AM, Ragnar wrote:
"poor conduct to forfeit a round" -DDO Orientation.

Call it what you will, I'll stick with calling such a concession and award conduct to them. I shall also not randomly shorten words in English to two of their characters. I mean we don't call Conduct CC, even when it has two C's in it.

If I'm reading this correctly. You're saying that you give conduct to people who forfeit rounds?
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7/21/2013 10:01:41 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
You're not.
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7/21/2013 12:13:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/21/2013 9:27:01 AM, 000ike wrote:
If I'm reading this correctly. You're saying that you give conduct to people who forfeit rounds?

Sometimes one gives conduct credit for seeing the light. If one concedes (not forfeits), saying something like, "You know what, I never thought it could be done, but you have actually persuaded me that you're right."

It's a good thing to be able to recognize when one is in the wrong. It deserves reward. But, in such a situation, the persuasion vote will always go to the one who didn't concede. So it's not like the conduct vote will influence who wins. It's just a pat on the back for unusual self-candor.