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7/29/2013 6:54:50 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I've always wondered what the point is since everyone goes away thinking they definitely won it regardless of the verdict and that their opponent sucked badly.

On top of this, everyone debating will only hold their opinions much stronger and more vigilantly/militantly after debating than before so the only people who would ever be swayed by it are the third parties involved with the debate.

If the only people who benefit from a debate are the people watching it then why do people do it for free?

That is the problem with debating. It's only purposeful to those who don't do it.
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7/29/2013 6:58:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/29/2013 6:54:50 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
I've always wondered what the point is since everyone goes away thinking they definitely won it regardless of the verdict and that their opponent sucked badly.

Calculatedrisk has said I changed his views after debating him on morality.
I reformulated and tweaked all of my arguments after debating philochristos.
One of my debate opponents admitted that I beat him.
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7/29/2013 7:00:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/29/2013 6:58:49 PM, Sargon wrote:
At 7/29/2013 6:54:50 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
I've always wondered what the point is since everyone goes away thinking they definitely won it regardless of the verdict and that their opponent sucked badly.

Calculatedrisk has said I changed his views after debating him on morality.
I reformulated and tweaked all of my arguments after debating philochristos.
One of my debate opponents admitted that I beat him.

In that case your opponent clearly didn't debate to what they perceive was their full capacity. If they had debated to a level of what they perceive as sufficient, then they would have been blinded to your arguments.
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7/29/2013 7:01:04 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/29/2013 7:00:24 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
At 7/29/2013 6:58:49 PM, Sargon wrote:
At 7/29/2013 6:54:50 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
I've always wondered what the point is since everyone goes away thinking they definitely won it regardless of the verdict and that their opponent sucked badly.

Calculatedrisk has said I changed his views after debating him on morality.
I reformulated and tweaked all of my arguments after debating philochristos.
One of my debate opponents admitted that I beat him.

In that case your opponent clearly didn't debate to what they perceive was their full capacity. If they had debated to a level of what they perceive as sufficient, then they would have been blinded to your arguments.

Which is refuted by anecdotes (1) and (2).
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7/29/2013 7:01:32 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/29/2013 7:01:04 PM, Sargon wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:00:24 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
At 7/29/2013 6:58:49 PM, Sargon wrote:
At 7/29/2013 6:54:50 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
I've always wondered what the point is since everyone goes away thinking they definitely won it regardless of the verdict and that their opponent sucked badly.

Calculatedrisk has said I changed his views after debating him on morality.
I reformulated and tweaked all of my arguments after debating philochristos.
One of my debate opponents admitted that I beat him.

In that case your opponent clearly didn't debate to what they perceive was their full capacity. If they had debated to a level of what they perceive as sufficient, then they would have been blinded to your arguments.

Which is refuted by anecdotes (1) and (2).

It's supported by those anecdotes.
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7/29/2013 7:06:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/29/2013 6:54:50 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
I've always wondered what the point is since everyone goes away thinking they definitely won it regardless of the verdict and that their opponent sucked badly.

Not always, just usually.
On top of this, everyone debating will only hold their opinions much stronger and more vigilantly/militantly after debating than before so the only people who would ever be swayed by it are the third parties involved with the debate.

If the only people who benefit from a debate are the people watching it then why do people do it for free?

That is the problem with debating. It's only purposeful to those who don't do it.
Aside from the fact that debaters sometimes do change their mind, there are many other reasons.
It can be fun, entertaining, enlightening, challenging, etc. It forces you to understand ( & appreciate) other positions even if you don't agree with them, it forces you to develop, modify, & clarify your own positions for yourself, this gives one greater sense of clarity.
Finally, some people like spreading their thought ideas and opinions to others for free. The Internet is full of it, which is one of it's many beauties the dissemination of free information. Some other examples are MOOKs, Wikipedia, Quora, blogs, etc.
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7/29/2013 7:07:35 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/29/2013 7:01:32 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:01:04 PM, Sargon wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:00:24 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
At 7/29/2013 6:58:49 PM, Sargon wrote:
At 7/29/2013 6:54:50 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
I've always wondered what the point is since everyone goes away thinking they definitely won it regardless of the verdict and that their opponent sucked badly.

Calculatedrisk has said I changed his views after debating him on morality.
I reformulated and tweaked all of my arguments after debating philochristos.
One of my debate opponents admitted that I beat him.

In that case your opponent clearly didn't debate to what they perceive was their full capacity. If they had debated to a level of what they perceive as sufficient, then they would have been blinded to your arguments.

Which is refuted by anecdotes (1) and (2).

It's supported by those anecdotes.

Ok, so people changing their views after a debate, against what they previously thought, is somehow evidence of the OP?

Excuse me for a moment.
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7/29/2013 7:08:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/29/2013 7:06:39 PM, 1Devilsadvocate wrote:
At 7/29/2013 6:54:50 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
I've always wondered what the point is since everyone goes away thinking they definitely won it regardless of the verdict and that their opponent sucked badly.

Not always, just usually.
On top of this, everyone debating will only hold their opinions much stronger and more vigilantly/militantly after debating than before so the only people who would ever be swayed by it are the third parties involved with the debate.

If the only people who benefit from a debate are the people watching it then why do people do it for free?

That is the problem with debating. It's only purposeful to those who don't do it.
Aside from the fact that debaters sometimes do change their mind, there are many other reasons.
It can be fun, entertaining, enlightening, challenging, etc. It forces you to understand ( & appreciate) other positions even if you don't agree with them, it forces you to develop, modify, & clarify your own positions for yourself, this gives one greater sense of clarity.
Finally, some people like spreading their thought ideas and opinions to others for free. The Internet is full of it, which is one of it's many beauties the dissemination of free information. Some other examples are MOOKs, Wikipedia, Quora, blogs, etc.

So, in essence, debating is a masochistic hobby of opinionated intellectuals and its sole purpose is to fuel their addiction.
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7/29/2013 7:09:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/29/2013 7:07:35 PM, Sargon wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:01:32 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:01:04 PM, Sargon wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:00:24 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
At 7/29/2013 6:58:49 PM, Sargon wrote:
At 7/29/2013 6:54:50 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
I've always wondered what the point is since everyone goes away thinking they definitely won it regardless of the verdict and that their opponent sucked badly.

Calculatedrisk has said I changed his views after debating him on morality.
I reformulated and tweaked all of my arguments after debating philochristos.
One of my debate opponents admitted that I beat him.

In that case your opponent clearly didn't debate to what they perceive was their full capacity. If they had debated to a level of what they perceive as sufficient, then they would have been blinded to your arguments.

Which is refuted by anecdotes (1) and (2).

It's supported by those anecdotes.

Ok, so people changing their views after a debate, against what they previously thought, is somehow evidence of the OP?

Excuse me for a moment.

They weren't debating at their full capacity and therefore didn't qualify what they dd as sufficient debate. If they had done that, OP would be proven.
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7/29/2013 7:10:03 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/29/2013 7:08:12 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:06:39 PM, 1Devilsadvocate wrote:
At 7/29/2013 6:54:50 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
I've always wondered what the point is since everyone goes away thinking they definitely won it regardless of the verdict and that their opponent sucked badly.

Not always, just usually.
On top of this, everyone debating will only hold their opinions much stronger and more vigilantly/militantly after debating than before so the only people who would ever be swayed by it are the third parties involved with the debate.

If the only people who benefit from a debate are the people watching it then why do people do it for free?

That is the problem with debating. It's only purposeful to those who don't do it.
Aside from the fact that debaters sometimes do change their mind, there are many other reasons.
It can be fun, entertaining, enlightening, challenging, etc. It forces you to understand ( & appreciate) other positions even if you don't agree with them, it forces you to develop, modify, & clarify your own positions for yourself, this gives one greater sense of clarity.
Finally, some people like spreading their thought ideas and opinions to others for free. The Internet is full of it, which is one of it's many beauties the dissemination of free information. Some other examples are MOOKs, Wikipedia, Quora, blogs, etc.

So, in essence, debating is a masochistic hobby of opinionated intellectuals and its sole purpose is to fuel their addiction.

That's debatable.
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7/29/2013 7:12:09 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/29/2013 7:09:00 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:07:35 PM, Sargon wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:01:32 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:01:04 PM, Sargon wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:00:24 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
At 7/29/2013 6:58:49 PM, Sargon wrote:
At 7/29/2013 6:54:50 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
I've always wondered what the point is since everyone goes away thinking they definitely won it regardless of the verdict and that their opponent sucked badly.

Calculatedrisk has said I changed his views after debating him on morality.
I reformulated and tweaked all of my arguments after debating philochristos.
One of my debate opponents admitted that I beat him.

In that case your opponent clearly didn't debate to what they perceive was their full capacity. If they had debated to a level of what they perceive as sufficient, then they would have been blinded to your arguments.

Which is refuted by anecdotes (1) and (2).

It's supported by those anecdotes.

Ok, so people changing their views after a debate, against what they previously thought, is somehow evidence of the OP?

Excuse me for a moment.

They weren't debating at their full capacity and therefore didn't qualify what they dd as sufficient debate. If they had done that, OP would be proven.

No, you're just speculating.
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7/29/2013 7:18:07 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/29/2013 7:12:09 PM, Sargon wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:09:00 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:07:35 PM, Sargon wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:01:32 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:01:04 PM, Sargon wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:00:24 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
At 7/29/2013 6:58:49 PM, Sargon wrote:
At 7/29/2013 6:54:50 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
I've always wondered what the point is since everyone goes away thinking they definitely won it regardless of the verdict and that their opponent sucked badly.

Calculatedrisk has said I changed his views after debating him on morality.
I reformulated and tweaked all of my arguments after debating philochristos.
One of my debate opponents admitted that I beat him.

In that case your opponent clearly didn't debate to what they perceive was their full capacity. If they had debated to a level of what they perceive as sufficient, then they would have been blinded to your arguments.

Which is refuted by anecdotes (1) and (2).

It's supported by those anecdotes.

Ok, so people changing their views after a debate, against what they previously thought, is somehow evidence of the OP?

Excuse me for a moment.

They weren't debating at their full capacity and therefore didn't qualify what they dd as sufficient debate. If they had done that, OP would be proven.

No, you're just speculating.

You just proved my OP right by how you reacted to the mini forum debate we just had.
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7/29/2013 7:18:32 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Becoming more educated on the opinions you hold, challenging yourself in a respectable manner, and possibly, changing your opinions. I was a far right Conservative Christian before I joined DDO. Now, I'm a Libertarian Atheist. Things change.

Also, it's funny that someone named "BornToDebate" would know the purpose of debating - you're just mad that you're losing debates.
I'm becoming less defined as days go by, fading away, and well you might say, I'm losing focus, kinda drifting into the abstract in terms of how I see myself.
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7/29/2013 7:19:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/29/2013 7:18:32 PM, Subutai wrote:
Becoming more educated on the opinions you hold, challenging yourself in a respectable manner, and possibly, changing your opinions. I was a far right Conservative Christian before I joined DDO. Now, I'm a Libertarian Atheist. Things change.

Also, it's funny that someone named "BornToDebate" would know the purpose of debating - you're just mad that you're losing debates.

I do not debate to win.
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7/29/2013 7:21:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/29/2013 7:19:48 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:18:32 PM, Subutai wrote:
Becoming more educated on the opinions you hold, challenging yourself in a respectable manner, and possibly, changing your opinions. I was a far right Conservative Christian before I joined DDO. Now, I'm a Libertarian Atheist. Things change.

Also, it's funny that someone named "BornToDebate" would know the purpose of debating - you're just mad that you're losing debates.

I do not debate to win.

Yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeah. Ok. Whatever you say.
I'm becoming less defined as days go by, fading away, and well you might say, I'm losing focus, kinda drifting into the abstract in terms of how I see myself.
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7/29/2013 7:22:59 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/29/2013 7:21:51 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:19:48 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:18:32 PM, Subutai wrote:
Becoming more educated on the opinions you hold, challenging yourself in a respectable manner, and possibly, changing your opinions. I was a far right Conservative Christian before I joined DDO. Now, I'm a Libertarian Atheist. Things change.

Also, it's funny that someone named "BornToDebate" would know the purpose of debating - you're just mad that you're losing debates.

I do not debate to win.

Yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeah. Ok. Whatever you say.

Your words cannot penetrate my forcefield.
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7/29/2013 7:32:21 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/29/2013 7:22:59 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:21:51 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:19:48 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:18:32 PM, Subutai wrote:
Becoming more educated on the opinions you hold, challenging yourself in a respectable manner, and possibly, changing your opinions. I was a far right Conservative Christian before I joined DDO. Now, I'm a Libertarian Atheist. Things change.

Also, it's funny that someone named "BornToDebate" would know the purpose of debating - you're just mad that you're losing debates.

I do not debate to win.

Yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeah. Ok. Whatever you say.

Your words cannot penetrate my forcefield.

Sorry, but you have no forcefield.
I'm becoming less defined as days go by, fading away, and well you might say, I'm losing focus, kinda drifting into the abstract in terms of how I see myself.
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7/29/2013 7:33:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/29/2013 7:32:21 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:22:59 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:21:51 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:19:48 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:18:32 PM, Subutai wrote:
Becoming more educated on the opinions you hold, challenging yourself in a respectable manner, and possibly, changing your opinions. I was a far right Conservative Christian before I joined DDO. Now, I'm a Libertarian Atheist. Things change.

Also, it's funny that someone named "BornToDebate" would know the purpose of debating - you're just mad that you're losing debates.

I do not debate to win.

Yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeah. Ok. Whatever you say.

Your words cannot penetrate my forcefield.

Sorry, but you have no forcefield.

You gonna put some nerdy crap to prove that theory too?
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7/29/2013 7:34:02 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/29/2013 7:33:25 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:32:21 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:22:59 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:21:51 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:19:48 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:18:32 PM, Subutai wrote:
Becoming more educated on the opinions you hold, challenging yourself in a respectable manner, and possibly, changing your opinions. I was a far right Conservative Christian before I joined DDO. Now, I'm a Libertarian Atheist. Things change.

Also, it's funny that someone named "BornToDebate" would know the purpose of debating - you're just mad that you're losing debates.

I do not debate to win.

Yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeah. Ok. Whatever you say.

Your words cannot penetrate my forcefield.

Sorry, but you have no forcefield.

You gonna put some nerdy crap to prove that theory too?

Yep. If you insist.
I'm becoming less defined as days go by, fading away, and well you might say, I'm losing focus, kinda drifting into the abstract in terms of how I see myself.
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7/29/2013 7:35:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
BorntoDebate, what was your last account?
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7/29/2013 7:37:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/29/2013 7:35:54 PM, ClassicRobert wrote:
BorntoDebate, what was your last account?

?
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7/29/2013 7:41:31 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/29/2013 7:37:34 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:35:54 PM, ClassicRobert wrote:
BorntoDebate, what was your last account?

?

You joined a week ago, you almost immediately start bashing DDO for its flaws, and you start a debate with Imabench which is a rap battle against RationalMadman, who no new user would even know about. Are you RationalMadman?
Debate me: Economic decision theory should be adjusted to include higher-order preferences for non-normative purposes http://www.debate.org...

Do you really believe that? Or not? If you believe it, you should man up and defend it in a debate. -RoyLatham

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7/29/2013 7:44:44 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Ha I guess I was right.
Debate me: Economic decision theory should be adjusted to include higher-order preferences for non-normative purposes http://www.debate.org...

Do you really believe that? Or not? If you believe it, you should man up and defend it in a debate. -RoyLatham

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7/29/2013 8:15:23 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/29/2013 7:18:07 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:12:09 PM, Sargon wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:09:00 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:07:35 PM, Sargon wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:01:32 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:01:04 PM, Sargon wrote:
At 7/29/2013 7:00:24 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
At 7/29/2013 6:58:49 PM, Sargon wrote:
At 7/29/2013 6:54:50 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
I've always wondered what the point is since everyone goes away thinking they definitely won it regardless of the verdict and that their opponent sucked badly.

Calculatedrisk has said I changed his views after debating him on morality.
I reformulated and tweaked all of my arguments after debating philochristos.
One of my debate opponents admitted that I beat him.

In that case your opponent clearly didn't debate to what they perceive was their full capacity. If they had debated to a level of what they perceive as sufficient, then they would have been blinded to your arguments.

Which is refuted by anecdotes (1) and (2).

It's supported by those anecdotes.

Ok, so people changing their views after a debate, against what they previously thought, is somehow evidence of the OP?

Excuse me for a moment.

They weren't debating at their full capacity and therefore didn't qualify what they dd as sufficient debate. If they had done that, OP would be proven.

No, you're just speculating.

You just proved my OP right by how you reacted to the mini forum debate we just had.

What?
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7/29/2013 9:07:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 7/29/2013 6:54:50 PM, BornToDebate wrote:
I've always wondered what the point is since everyone goes away thinking they definitely won it regardless of the verdict and that their opponent sucked badly.

On top of this, everyone debating will only hold their opinions much stronger and more vigilantly/militantly after debating than before so the only people who would ever be swayed by it are the third parties involved with the debate.

If the only people who benefit from a debate are the people watching it then why do people do it for free?

That is the problem with debating. It's only purposeful to those who don't do it.

I guess you weren't born to debate, then.
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7/30/2013 3:42:25 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
F16 changed my mind on the death penalty after absolutely butt raping me in a debate.
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