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KMKelleher
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8/4/2013 4:20:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I joined about a week ago and so far all three debates I've been a part of have ended with the opponent forfeiting. Is this something I need to get used to or is this relatively uncommon?
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8/4/2013 4:23:52 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
It's pretty common among noobs, but less so among regular members here.
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8/4/2013 4:24:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Yeah it happens pretty frequently. Some debaters accept the debate without really being prepared (or committed) to debating it.

A couple things you can do:

1) Change the settings on who can accept the debates. Change it so that someone with more experience, so whoever accepts it is less likely to FF.

2) Look to challenge specific members to debates, rather than opening them up for everyone in the challenge period debates.

While either of these methods aren't guaranteed to avoid the issue, they should help.

Also, even if someone does FF a debate, you'll get the win and you can always try it again.
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8/4/2013 4:29:44 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
You can start going after tougher opponents.
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8/4/2013 4:30:28 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I'm quite new to this myself, and I don't understand why the fact that my opponent has forfeited makes the whole debate freeze like it did in this one: http://www.debate.org...

Could we at least get a closure where it either gets deleted, sent to voting or something like that? All we have now is a debate that is just hanging there with the message that it hasn't been "updated" yet and that I should check back in a "few minutes" (it has been nearly 48 hours on this one) for more options...
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8/4/2013 4:47:29 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Yeah, this is something we've all had to go through. My recommendation is to hang out in the forums more, and when you disagree with someone on something, just challenge them to a debate on them. Also, join tourneys whenever you can. Those debaters are usually serious enough not to forfeit.
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8/4/2013 4:48:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/4/2013 4:30:28 PM, Freddy44 wrote:
I'm quite new to this myself, and I don't understand why the fact that my opponent has forfeited makes the whole debate freeze like it did in this one: http://www.debate.org...

Could we at least get a closure where it either gets deleted, sent to voting or something like that? All we have now is a debate that is just hanging there with the message that it hasn't been "updated" yet and that I should check back in a "few minutes" (it has been nearly 48 hours on this one) for more options...

It's a bug that has been happening somewhat frequently lately. It'll get fixed in the near future.
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8/4/2013 4:50:28 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/4/2013 4:47:29 PM, ClassicRobert wrote:
Yeah, this is something we've all had to go through. My recommendation is to hang out in the forums more, and when you disagree with someone on something, just challenge them to a debate on them. Also, join tourneys whenever you can. Those debaters are usually serious enough not to forfeit.

Yeah, this is good advice.

It seems a lot of debaters have a hard time following through with debates, but those who are pretty active in the forums, or hold a particularly strong position on something, or have been around DDO for longer, generally finish their debates.
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Ragnar
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8/4/2013 6:51:03 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
One thing I've taken to doing, is having people apply in the comments. In addition to other benefits, they have to login at least twice to accept.
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8/4/2013 6:55:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/4/2013 6:51:03 PM, Ragnar wrote:
One thing I've taken to doing, is having people apply in the comments. In addition to other benefits, they have to login at least twice to accept.

Yeah, this is a reasonable approach to it, and I think more members are doing this now.
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8/5/2013 7:53:44 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/4/2013 7:36:50 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
Some of us have real lives and sometimes debating falls by the wayside... lol

Understood... It's still annoying though...
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8/5/2013 11:15:03 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/4/2013 7:36:50 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
Some of us have real lives and sometimes debating falls by the wayside... lol

Still, you made a commitment, and it is disrespectful not to follow through.
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8/5/2013 12:26:29 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/5/2013 11:15:03 AM, DanT wrote:
At 8/4/2013 7:36:50 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
Some of us have real lives and sometimes debating falls by the wayside... lol

Still, you made a commitment, and it is disrespectful not to follow through.

But in the grand scheme of life your commitment to DDO probably comes behind some bigger commitments in real life. So if you have to choose between commitments, debating probably isn't going to trump very many life decisions.
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8/5/2013 10:19:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/5/2013 12:26:29 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/5/2013 11:15:03 AM, DanT wrote:
At 8/4/2013 7:36:50 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
Some of us have real lives and sometimes debating falls by the wayside... lol

Still, you made a commitment, and it is disrespectful not to follow through.

But in the grand scheme of life your commitment to DDO probably comes behind some bigger commitments in real life. So if you have to choose between commitments, debating probably isn't going to trump very many life decisions.

That is not the point. You should not commit to something if you cannot follow through on that commitment. If you are too busy, don't commit in the first place.
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8/5/2013 10:22:05 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/5/2013 10:19:48 PM, DanT wrote:
At 8/5/2013 12:26:29 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 8/5/2013 11:15:03 AM, DanT wrote:
At 8/4/2013 7:36:50 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
Some of us have real lives and sometimes debating falls by the wayside... lol

Still, you made a commitment, and it is disrespectful not to follow through.

But in the grand scheme of life your commitment to DDO probably comes behind some bigger commitments in real life. So if you have to choose between commitments, debating probably isn't going to trump very many life decisions.

That is not the point. You should not commit to something if you cannot follow through on that commitment. If you are too busy, don't commit in the first place.

yeah yeah whatever.
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8/6/2013 12:43:38 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 8/4/2013 4:48:48 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 8/4/2013 4:30:28 PM, Freddy44 wrote:
I'm quite new to this myself, and I don't understand why the fact that my opponent has forfeited makes the whole debate freeze like it did in this one: http://www.debate.org...

Could we at least get a closure where it either gets deleted, sent to voting or something like that? All we have now is a debate that is just hanging there with the message that it hasn't been "updated" yet and that I should check back in a "few minutes" (it has been nearly 48 hours on this one) for more options...

It's a bug that has been happening somewhat frequently lately. It'll get fixed in the near future.

same happened with my last debate

http://www.debate.org...
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