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9/17/2013 7:48:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Why is it that the smartest users on DDO tend toward Anarchism/Voluntaryism and atheism/agnosticism?

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Korashk
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9/17/2013 7:50:48 PM
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Idk about Religion, but bluesteel definitely doesn't lean towards anarchism, at least judging by the positions he used to take in debates
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9/17/2013 7:54:31 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
And you're leaving off some very smart Christians like PCP, Contradiction, Inquiretruth and CiRrk. You're also leaving off a ton of smart non anarchists like Raisor, Ore_Ele, JustCallmeTarzan, YYW, Blackvoid, ect
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9/17/2013 7:58:52 PM
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I would agree that on balance the adherents to those ideologies/beliefs tend to be more intelligent however
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9/17/2013 9:00:27 PM
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At 9/17/2013 7:54:31 PM, thett3 wrote:
And you're leaving off some very smart Christians like PCP, Contradiction, Inquiretruth and CiRrk. You're also leaving off a ton of smart non anarchists like Raisor, Ore_Ele, JustCallmeTarzan, YYW, Blackvoid, ect
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9/17/2013 9:22:53 PM
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At 9/17/2013 7:48:27 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Why is it that the smartest users on DDO tend toward Anarchism/Voluntaryism and atheism/agnosticism?

Noumena
Danielle
jat93
FREEDO (72% of the time)
Cody_Franklin
LaissezFaire
bluesteel
Korashk
etc

Because correlation always equals causation and small sample sizes are reliable.
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9/17/2013 11:20:26 PM
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At 9/17/2013 7:48:27 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Why is it that the smartest users on DDO tend toward Anarchism/Voluntaryism and atheism/agnosticism?

It's because you decided who is smart.
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9/17/2013 11:32:51 PM
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You seem to be forgetting that I'm more intelligent than everyone here. And I'm communistic/theistic.
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9/18/2013 7:12:42 AM
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At 9/17/2013 11:32:51 PM, AnDoctuir wrote:
You seem to be forgetting that I'm more intelligent than everyone here. And I'm communistic/theistic.

False, I am more intelligant than you, and I'm a Conservative/Theist.
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9/18/2013 8:30:41 AM
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At 9/17/2013 11:20:26 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
At 9/17/2013 7:48:27 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Why is it that the smartest users on DDO tend toward Anarchism/Voluntaryism and atheism/agnosticism?

It's because you decided who is smart.

I swear, every post Roy touches turns to pure winning.
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9/18/2013 8:47:51 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/18/2013 8:30:41 AM, MassiveDump wrote:
At 9/17/2013 11:20:26 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
At 9/17/2013 7:48:27 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Why is it that the smartest users on DDO tend toward Anarchism/Voluntaryism and atheism/agnosticism?

It's because you decided who is smart.

I swear, every post Roy touches turns to pure winning.

This, of course, is completely true.
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9/18/2013 9:20:20 AM
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While I enjoy being called smart, I do admit that there are (a few) smart people who don't agree with me on all things (just a few).
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9/18/2013 1:21:11 PM
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I had a thread awhile back where I did a lot of statistics on the top debaters. By that measure, which is probably more fair than WSA's word, this still holds true. There are exceptions, of course. But it's the general tendency.
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9/18/2013 1:31:01 PM
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At 9/18/2013 1:21:11 PM, FREEDO wrote:
I had a thread awhile back where I did a lot of statistics on the top debaters. By that measure, which is probably more fair than WSA's word, this still holds true. There are exceptions, of course. But it's the general tendency.

Link?
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9/18/2013 1:51:38 PM
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At 9/17/2013 11:20:26 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
At 9/17/2013 7:48:27 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Why is it that the smartest users on DDO tend toward Anarchism/Voluntaryism and atheism/agnosticism?

It's because you decided who is smart.

Pow Bang Wallop.

I don't think the leader board is a reflection on what is truly right and who is truly smart. For instance, an argument from the majority is futile. Meaning those who vote and decide who are winners is not a reflection of absolute truth

Funny, I am not making this comment to Roy who is the leader of this site in respect to Elo ranking. I personally think Roy is a great debater.

I just posted my opinion regardless. And to add, I am a theist.
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9/18/2013 6:53:20 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/17/2013 7:48:27 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Why is it that the smartest users on DDO tend toward Anarchism/Voluntaryism and atheism/agnosticism?

Noumena
Danielle
jat93
FREEDO (72% of the time)
Cody_Franklin
LaissezFaire
bluesteel
Korashk
etc

I'm intrigued.... what was the thought process that preceded this post? I ask because while you do typically wear your politics on your sleeve, this is more like wearing them as a codpiece.
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9/18/2013 8:01:31 PM
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At 9/18/2013 6:53:20 PM, YYW wrote:
At 9/17/2013 7:48:27 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Why is it that the smartest users on DDO tend toward Anarchism/Voluntaryism and atheism/agnosticism?

Noumena
Danielle
jat93
FREEDO (72% of the time)
Cody_Franklin
LaissezFaire
bluesteel
Korashk
etc

I'm intrigued.... what was the thought process that preceded this post? I ask because while you do typically wear your politics on your sleeve, this is more like wearing them as a codpiece.

^Analogy of the week.
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9/19/2013 1:01:22 AM
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At 9/18/2013 1:21:11 PM, FREEDO wrote:
I had a thread awhile back where I did a lot of statistics on the top debaters. By that measure, which is probably more fair than WSA's word, this still holds true. There are exceptions, of course. But it's the general tendency.

I don't buy that it's anything like a majority, but anarchists are far more common on DDO than in the real world.

Anarchism is an affectation of university intellectuals that has been around for at least 40 years. It is a purely theoretical ideology that doesn't get far outside the university campus. It takes considerable intellect to rationalize the theory with the obvious fact that no matter where people are on earth they choose to organize into tribes or nations. Part of the evolutionary advantage of the human species comes from the tribal instinct.

Before anarchism, university intellectuals were enraptured by communism. Communism was supposed to progress from authoritarian rule to popular rule, something along the lines of anarchism. Most of the anarchists on the site take the side of government control in debates.

William Buckley said that he would rather be governed by the first hundred names in phone book than the faculty of Harvard. I think he recognized the Harvard faculty was "smarter" but that ordinary people are far more willing to recognize a failure as a failure, rather than think up excuses as to why is wasn't really a failure.

The reason that we have so many anarchists among the winning debaters is that DDO draws heavily from university students, and anarchism is the religion of the university intellectual elite. If DDO were hosted in China or Iran, the winning debaters would reflect their university elites.
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9/19/2013 5:53:25 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/19/2013 1:01:22 AM, RoyLatham wrote:
At 9/18/2013 1:21:11 PM, FREEDO wrote:
I had a thread awhile back where I did a lot of statistics on the top debaters. By that measure, which is probably more fair than WSA's word, this still holds true. There are exceptions, of course. But it's the general tendency.

I don't buy that it's anything like a majority, but anarchists are far more common on DDO than in the real world.

Anarchism is an affectation of university intellectuals that has been around for at least 40 years. It is a purely theoretical ideology that doesn't get far outside the university campus. It takes considerable intellect to rationalize the theory with the obvious fact that no matter where people are on earth they choose to organize into tribes or nations. Part of the evolutionary advantage of the human species comes from the tribal instinct.

Before anarchism, university intellectuals were enraptured by communism. Communism was supposed to progress from authoritarian rule to popular rule, something along the lines of anarchism. Most of the anarchists on the site take the side of government control in debates.

William Buckley said that he would rather be governed by the first hundred names in phone book than the faculty of Harvard. I think he recognized the Harvard faculty was "smarter" but that ordinary people are far more willing to recognize a failure as a failure, rather than think up excuses as to why is wasn't really a failure.

The reason that we have so many anarchists among the winning debaters is that DDO draws heavily from university students, and anarchism is the religion of the university intellectual elite. If DDO were hosted in China or Iran, the winning debaters would reflect their university elites.

Marxism is still around in academia; it's just been relegated to the humanities rather than the social sciences for the most part. But to the point about anarchism being "an affectation of university intellectuals"which "is a purely theoretical ideology that doesn't get far outside the university campus," I'll wholly agree with that. I'll also agree that "it takes considerable intellect to rationalize the theory with the obvious fact that no matter where people are on earth they choose to organize into tribes or nations."

I think that now, at least among current university students and those in the recent past (I'm thinking post-Iraq anarchists), the reason for anarchism's prevalence is a combination of the natural adolescent impulse to rebuke authority in tandem with a growing line of distrust of those who presently hold positions of power. There's something piercingly ironic to the fact that inherent within the "nanny state" is not just cradle-to-grave care, but cradle to grave surveillance, monitoring and discipline. To the extent that anarchists want to be rid of that "oppression," they become anarchists -and anarchists they will probably remain until they realize the social necessity of government to order society.

What I find sort of redeeming about anarchists, though, (at least not the nihilistic "watch the world burn" types), is the inherent naivety/idealism within that position. It requires a considerable degree of being sheltered from the world and its people -not to mention the awful things people do to one another- to be able to buy into the idea that people will not throw themselves into a perpetual "state of war" in the absence of some common authority to appeal to. But, if not naive idealism, then willful ignorance -as would be found in the idea that "it is the state who causes men to be horrible to each other, man!" Jean Jacques Rousseau's intellectual legacy continues to haunt mankind...
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9/19/2013 6:26:41 AM
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At 9/19/2013 5:53:25 AM, YYW wrote:

What I find sort of redeeming about anarchists, though, (at least not the nihilistic "watch the world burn" types), is the inherent naivety/idealism within that position. It requires a considerable degree of being sheltered from the world and its people -not to mention the awful things people do to one another- to be able to buy into the idea that people will not throw themselves into a perpetual "state of war" in the absence of some common authority to appeal to. But, if not naive idealism, then willful ignorance -as would be found in the idea that "it is the state who causes men to be horrible to each other, man!" Jean Jacques Rousseau's intellectual legacy continues to haunt mankind...

Eh, that naivety is only really found in the anarchists who think we should have an immediate switch to anarchism. Yes people are violent currently. However, we are in the process of outgrowing the need to intentionally harm one another, and in a non-violent society, is a government really necessary anymore?
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9/19/2013 6:36:39 AM
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At 9/19/2013 6:26:41 AM, ClassicRobert wrote:
At 9/19/2013 5:53:25 AM, YYW wrote:

What I find sort of redeeming about anarchists, though, (at least not the nihilistic "watch the world burn" types), is the inherent naivety/idealism within that position. It requires a considerable degree of being sheltered from the world and its people -not to mention the awful things people do to one another- to be able to buy into the idea that people will not throw themselves into a perpetual "state of war" in the absence of some common authority to appeal to. But, if not naive idealism, then willful ignorance -as would be found in the idea that "it is the state who causes men to be horrible to each other, man!" Jean Jacques Rousseau's intellectual legacy continues to haunt mankind...

Eh, that naivety is only really found in the anarchists who think we should have an immediate switch to anarchism. Yes people are violent currently. However, we are in the process of outgrowing the need to intentionally harm one another, and in a non-violent society, is a government really necessary anymore?

Human nature can't be outgrown, Bobbert.
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9/19/2013 7:00:17 AM
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At 9/19/2013 6:36:39 AM, YYW wrote:
At 9/19/2013 6:26:41 AM, ClassicRobert wrote:
At 9/19/2013 5:53:25 AM, YYW wrote:

What I find sort of redeeming about anarchists, though, (at least not the nihilistic "watch the world burn" types), is the inherent naivety/idealism within that position. It requires a considerable degree of being sheltered from the world and its people -not to mention the awful things people do to one another- to be able to buy into the idea that people will not throw themselves into a perpetual "state of war" in the absence of some common authority to appeal to. But, if not naive idealism, then willful ignorance -as would be found in the idea that "it is the state who causes men to be horrible to each other, man!" Jean Jacques Rousseau's intellectual legacy continues to haunt mankind...

Eh, that naivety is only really found in the anarchists who think we should have an immediate switch to anarchism. Yes people are violent currently. However, we are in the process of outgrowing the need to intentionally harm one another, and in a non-violent society, is a government really necessary anymore?

Human nature can't be outgrown, Bobbert.

Violence is not inherent to human nature, but rather, it is due to societal influence. We live in a society where violence is normalized. However, it's a beautiful thing, because even though we do live in a violence culture, each generation tends to be more tolerant than the previous generation, and crime rates is trending downwards. We are already in the process of outgrowing violence, even though we are doing so very slowly.
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