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themohawkninja
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11/1/2013 2:46:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
http://www.debate.org...

His entire argument, word-for-word, is from his one source. Isn't that just straight up plagiarism? Should I just report him for plagiarizing, or is what he did allowed in debating?
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11/1/2013 3:15:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Yep thats straight up plagiarism.

Id just point it out and salvage what parts of the debate you can
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11/1/2013 5:30:57 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/1/2013 2:46:12 PM, themohawkninja wrote:
http://www.debate.org...

His entire argument, word-for-word, is from his one source. Isn't that just straight up plagiarism? Should I just report him for plagiarizing, or is what he did allowed in debating?

Just to expand on bench's answer:

He did, technically source, but he didn't attribute what he took from the source. If he'd put quotation marks to indicate he was quoting directly from the source, I'd think he was doing a bad job, but it wouldn't be plagiarism.

I think the round you've put up in response is a good response, though.
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11/1/2013 9:58:18 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/1/2013 5:30:57 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 11/1/2013 2:46:12 PM, themohawkninja wrote:
http://www.debate.org...

His entire argument, word-for-word, is from his one source. Isn't that just straight up plagiarism? Should I just report him for plagiarizing, or is what he did allowed in debating?

Just to expand on bench's answer:

He did, technically source, but he didn't attribute what he took from the source. If he'd put quotation marks to indicate he was quoting directly from the source, I'd think he was doing a bad job, but it wouldn't be plagiarism.

I think the round you've put up in response is a good response, though.

So does the VRB not recognize block quotations? Because they really are standard. The idea is that you set a longer quotation off from the rest of the text and then you don't need quotation marks.

Here are some links

https://owl.english.purdue.edu...
http://lynn.libguides.com...
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11/1/2013 9:59:46 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I had a similar incident in the first debate I've had on the site in three years: http://www.debate.org...

Its sad when people get on here expecting sich greatness from themselves, then realize we're not exactly unseasoned here. Resorting to outright plagarism is probably more common than people think too, I wonder how many times it goes unnoticed.
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11/1/2013 10:10:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/1/2013 9:58:18 PM, rross wrote:
At 11/1/2013 5:30:57 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 11/1/2013 2:46:12 PM, themohawkninja wrote:
http://www.debate.org...

His entire argument, word-for-word, is from his one source. Isn't that just straight up plagiarism? Should I just report him for plagiarizing, or is what he did allowed in debating?

Just to expand on bench's answer:

He did, technically source, but he didn't attribute what he took from the source. If he'd put quotation marks to indicate he was quoting directly from the source, I'd think he was doing a bad job, but it wouldn't be plagiarism.

I think the round you've put up in response is a good response, though.

So does the VRB not recognize block quotations? Because they really are standard. The idea is that you set a longer quotation off from the rest of the text and then you don't need quotation marks.

Here are some links

https://owl.english.purdue.edu...
http://lynn.libguides.com...

Well, I don't speak for the board, and the board doesn't really make decisions regarding debates or HOW points should be awarded, merely that an explanation be provided.

That was merely my opinion on the behavior of the debater.

Yes, I'm familiar with block quoting--and I am a fan. However, block quoting requires some indication that block quoting is being performed--the debate in question did not use anything to do so (I knew I should have explicitly included block quoting, I just thought it would clutter my response).
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11/1/2013 10:19:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/1/2013 9:58:18 PM, rross wrote:

So does the VRB not recognize block quotations? Because they really are standard. The idea is that you set a longer quotation off from the rest of the text and then you don't need quotation marks.

Block quoting is acceptable only when it is posted IN ADDITION to other arguments made by the debater themselves.... If a debaters arguments consist only of block quotes and has given no other input that is actually unique or original, then thats straight up plagiarism.
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11/1/2013 10:41:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/1/2013 10:10:40 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 11/1/2013 9:58:18 PM, rross wrote:
At 11/1/2013 5:30:57 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 11/1/2013 2:46:12 PM, themohawkninja wrote:
http://www.debate.org...

His entire argument, word-for-word, is from his one source. Isn't that just straight up plagiarism? Should I just report him for plagiarizing, or is what he did allowed in debating?

Just to expand on bench's answer:

He did, technically source, but he didn't attribute what he took from the source. If he'd put quotation marks to indicate he was quoting directly from the source, I'd think he was doing a bad job, but it wouldn't be plagiarism.

I think the round you've put up in response is a good response, though.

So does the VRB not recognize block quotations? Because they really are standard. The idea is that you set a longer quotation off from the rest of the text and then you don't need quotation marks.

Here are some links

https://owl.english.purdue.edu...
http://lynn.libguides.com...

Well, I don't speak for the board, and the board doesn't really make decisions regarding debates or HOW points should be awarded, merely that an explanation be provided.

That's not always true. On a past debate, both Imabench and wiploc, who are on the board, argued that my vote should be deleted because I recognized block quoting as legitimate, while they did not.

That was merely my opinion on the behavior of the debater.

Yes, I'm familiar with block quoting--and I am a fan. However, block quoting requires some indication that block quoting is being performed--

A line, for example, could separate the quotation from the rest of the text?

the debate in question did not use anything to do so (I knew I should have explicitly included block quoting, I just thought it would clutter my response).
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11/1/2013 10:49:06 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/1/2013 10:41:38 PM, rross wrote:
At 11/1/2013 10:10:40 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 11/1/2013 9:58:18 PM, rross wrote:
At 11/1/2013 5:30:57 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 11/1/2013 2:46:12 PM, themohawkninja wrote:
http://www.debate.org...

His entire argument, word-for-word, is from his one source. Isn't that just straight up plagiarism? Should I just report him for plagiarizing, or is what he did allowed in debating?

Just to expand on bench's answer:

He did, technically source, but he didn't attribute what he took from the source. If he'd put quotation marks to indicate he was quoting directly from the source, I'd think he was doing a bad job, but it wouldn't be plagiarism.

I think the round you've put up in response is a good response, though.

So does the VRB not recognize block quotations? Because they really are standard. The idea is that you set a longer quotation off from the rest of the text and then you don't need quotation marks.

Here are some links

https://owl.english.purdue.edu...
http://lynn.libguides.com...

Well, I don't speak for the board, and the board doesn't really make decisions regarding debates or HOW points should be awarded, merely that an explanation be provided.

That's not always true. On a past debate, both Imabench and wiploc, who are on the board, argued that my vote should be deleted because I recognized block quoting as legitimate, while they did not.

As I said, I don't speak for the board. The reason your vote was deleted was not that, however, and they argued that with you I believe in the forums--they questioned the validity of your reasoning, and they are allowed to do that. Though I will also note that that was near the beginning of the VRB's existence, in the first or second (IIRC) week of that existence.

That was merely my opinion on the behavior of the debater.
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Yes, I'm familiar with block quoting--and I am a fan. However, block quoting requires some indication that block quoting is being performed--

A line, for example, could separate the quotation from the rest of the text?

Only if it can be reasonably concluded that the entirety is a quotation. A linebreak is unlikely to be reasonably sufficient, particularly in online forums where linebreaks are generally common. Usually, a formatting change of some kind is sufficient. In this case, none of the words except the title headings were the debaters--and there was no indication that a quote was occurring.

There is a reason that the blockquote HTML tag operates as it does. In the forums, too, blockquoting is achieved through the use of colons--and sets the text off.

the debate in question did not use anything to do so (I knew I should have explicitly included block quoting, I just thought it would clutter my response).
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11/1/2013 11:24:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/1/2013 10:49:06 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:

There is a reason that the blockquote HTML tag operates as it does. In the forums, too, blockquoting is achieved through the use of colons--and sets the text off.

There's a blockquote HTML tag? I didn't know that.
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11/1/2013 11:25:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/1/2013 2:46:12 PM, themohawkninja wrote:
http://www.debate.org...

His entire argument, word-for-word, is from his one source. Isn't that just straight up plagiarism? Should I just report him for plagiarizing, or is what he did allowed in debating?

Such a person must be burned at the stake.
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11/2/2013 2:21:14 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/1/2013 11:24:43 PM, rross wrote:
At 11/1/2013 10:49:06 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:

There is a reason that the blockquote HTML tag operates as it does. In the forums, too, blockquoting is achieved through the use of colons--and sets the text off.

There's a blockquote HTML tag? I didn't know that.

Yup!

http://www.w3schools.com...
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11/2/2013 2:35:20 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Though I'm not aware if it works in debates--the way tagging is done on DDO is not what I'm generally familiar with.
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11/2/2013 4:13:04 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I'll try to remember to vote on this debate. I make it a point to make sure people who do that in debates lose them.
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