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11/6/2013 6:35:42 PM
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Ok everybody, this is not a troll... But what is a liberalist and a conservatists? I dont know what they believe in. Could someone explain it as if you're explaining to a 10-year old.
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11/6/2013 8:17:51 PM
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Don't you mean "liberal" and "conservative"?
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11/6/2013 9:08:07 PM
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I think someone just made an honest mistake. I hoped you corrected them.
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11/6/2013 9:20:45 PM
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A liberal is generally someone who makes foolish decisions based on emotions and that usually end up making life worse in the end through their own naivety.

A conservative is someone who looks at all sides of an issue, thinks about all possible outcomes, and makes well qualified decisions that will better help the community and society.
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11/6/2013 9:23:04 PM
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At 11/6/2013 9:20:45 PM, Mrs.lynch wrote:
A liberal is generally someone who makes foolish decisions based on emotions and that usually end up making life worse in the end through their own naivety.

A conservative is someone who looks at all sides of an issue, thinks about all possible outcomes, and makes well qualified decisions that will better help the community and society.

Yeah, that's a brilliant, non-biased perspective.
I'm becoming less defined as days go by, fading away, and well you might say, I'm losing focus, kinda drifting into the abstract in terms of how I see myself.
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11/6/2013 9:25:54 PM
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Liberalism and conservatism are very broad terms. Liberalism is defined as a desire to change the status quo, and this generally results in more freedom. Conservatism is defined as a desire to maintain the status quo. Now this varies widely from country to country and time period to time period. Liberals used to be defined as free-market capitalists, while conservatives were the landed aristocracy. Now liberalism has come to mean economic control and social freedom, while conservatism has come to mean economic freedom and social control.

If this seems ridiculously confusing, don't worry about it.
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11/6/2013 9:29:11 PM
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Oh, you're not a troll?
It's all cool guys, he's not a troll.
I thought for sure he was a troll.
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11/6/2013 9:36:13 PM
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At 11/6/2013 9:23:04 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 11/6/2013 9:20:45 PM, Mrs.lynch wrote:
A liberal is generally someone who makes foolish decisions based on emotions and that usually end up making life worse in the end through their own naivety.

A conservative is someone who looks at all sides of an issue, thinks about all possible outcomes, and makes well qualified decisions that will better help the community and society.

Yeah, that's a brilliant, non-biased perspective.

I call it as I see it. :)
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11/6/2013 9:37:50 PM
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At 11/6/2013 9:36:13 PM, Mrs.lynch wrote:
At 11/6/2013 9:23:04 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 11/6/2013 9:20:45 PM, Mrs.lynch wrote:
A liberal is generally someone who makes foolish decisions based on emotions and that usually end up making life worse in the end through their own naivety.

A conservative is someone who looks at all sides of an issue, thinks about all possible outcomes, and makes well qualified decisions that will better help the community and society.

Yeah, that's a brilliant, non-biased perspective.

I call it as I see it. :)

Objectivity > Subjectivity
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11/6/2013 9:39:04 PM
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At 11/6/2013 9:37:50 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 11/6/2013 9:36:13 PM, Mrs.lynch wrote:
At 11/6/2013 9:23:04 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 11/6/2013 9:20:45 PM, Mrs.lynch wrote:
A liberal is generally someone who makes foolish decisions based on emotions and that usually end up making life worse in the end through their own naivety.

A conservative is someone who looks at all sides of an issue, thinks about all possible outcomes, and makes well qualified decisions that will better help the community and society.

Yeah, that's a brilliant, non-biased perspective.

I call it as I see it. :)

Objectivity > Subjectivity

Objectivity.
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11/6/2013 9:40:30 PM
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At 11/6/2013 9:39:04 PM, Mrs.lynch wrote:
At 11/6/2013 9:37:50 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 11/6/2013 9:36:13 PM, Mrs.lynch wrote:
At 11/6/2013 9:23:04 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 11/6/2013 9:20:45 PM, Mrs.lynch wrote:
A liberal is generally someone who makes foolish decisions based on emotions and that usually end up making life worse in the end through their own naivety.

A conservative is someone who looks at all sides of an issue, thinks about all possible outcomes, and makes well qualified decisions that will better help the community and society.

Yeah, that's a brilliant, non-biased perspective.

I call it as I see it. :)

Objectivity > Subjectivity

Objectivity.

Exactly.
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11/6/2013 9:41:06 PM
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At 11/6/2013 6:35:42 PM, yay842 wrote:
Ok everybody, this is not a troll... But what is a liberalist and a conservatists? I dont know what they believe in. Could someone explain it as if you're explaining to a 10-year old.

Liberals believe the government should take your money and give it to someone else, because they think that the government knows how to spend it better than you. Oddly enough, liberals oppose government intervention in personal lives in issues such as drugs, abortion, and gay marriage, but oppose letting people smoke tobacco, drink large sodas, or eat food with salt on it, oppose school vouchers (letting poor kids go to private schools), and hate the police even though the police enforce the laws that liberals support.

Conservatives believe your money is yours, and you know how to spend it best. Many conservatives believe that government should intervene in social issues, but others think they should stay out of it.
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11/6/2013 9:42:02 PM
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At 11/6/2013 9:39:04 PM, Mrs.lynch wrote:
At 11/6/2013 9:37:50 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 11/6/2013 9:36:13 PM, Mrs.lynch wrote:
At 11/6/2013 9:23:04 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 11/6/2013 9:20:45 PM, Mrs.lynch wrote:
A liberal is generally someone who makes foolish decisions based on emotions and that usually end up making life worse in the end through their own naivety.

A conservative is someone who looks at all sides of an issue, thinks about all possible outcomes, and makes well qualified decisions that will better help the community and society.

Yeah, that's a brilliant, non-biased perspective.

I call it as I see it. :)

Objectivity > Subjectivity

Objectivity.

Objectivity.
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11/6/2013 9:43:03 PM
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At 11/6/2013 9:40:30 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 11/6/2013 9:39:04 PM, Mrs.lynch wrote:
At 11/6/2013 9:37:50 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 11/6/2013 9:36:13 PM, Mrs.lynch wrote:
At 11/6/2013 9:23:04 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 11/6/2013 9:20:45 PM, Mrs.lynch wrote:
A liberal is generally someone who makes foolish decisions based on emotions and that usually end up making life worse in the end through their own naivety.

A conservative is someone who looks at all sides of an issue, thinks about all possible outcomes, and makes well qualified decisions that will better help the community and society.

Yeah, that's a brilliant, non-biased perspective.

I call it as I see it. :)

Objectivity > Subjectivity

Objectivity.

Exactly.

So, let me get this straight: objectivity?
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11/6/2013 9:58:15 PM
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If there still isn't one bias answer when I get home, I'll type one out.
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11/6/2013 10:04:47 PM
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At 11/6/2013 9:58:15 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
If there still isn't one bias answer when I get home, I'll type one out.

You mean "A liberal is generally someone who makes foolish decisions based on emotions and that usually end up making life worse in the end through their own naivety." isn't biased? :P
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11/6/2013 10:23:21 PM
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Subutai actually gave a really good meaning that us NOT BIASED so that one helped me a lot. but could anyone explain it to me unbiased and like to a 5-year old
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11/6/2013 10:34:07 PM
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Liberalism:

- Authoritarian philosophy that believes central planners and experts know what's best for everyone else

- Believes in collectivism and the "greater good" at the cost of individual rights

- Individuals are just bumps in the road to progressive utopia

- Believes strongly in the nanny state telling you what you can and cannot do

- Wants government in as much of our lives as possible

- We don't own the fruits of our own labor, liberals are entitled to my money and if I want to keep what I own, I'm called greedy and their theft is praised as social justice

- Every group is a victim

- People can't take care of themselves, self sufficiency is bad, the government will take care of you with everyone else's money

- Free market is bad, we need as much taxes and regulations as possible, profit is bad, we must confiscate it

- Supports equal outcome rather than equal opportunity
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11/6/2013 10:40:37 PM
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Liberals: Term used in the United States to refer to people who are center-right, in that they support things like the existence of social programs, or maybe universal health care, which in civilized countries are the norm.

Conservative: Term used in the United States to refer to people who are far right.

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11/6/2013 10:47:30 PM
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Liberals:

-Puss!es
-Hippies
-Demonspawn
-Social Justice warriors
-Feminists
-Rebellious teenagers
-State worshippers
-Lazy poor people
-Dirty minorities
-Jews

Liberalism summed up in one sentence: "What policies can I implement that make me feel like I'm a good person even if they don't work?"

Conservatives:

-Hero's (or bigots...perspective)
-Warriors in the shining armor of God
-Corporation worshippers
-White devils
-Evil rich people
-Anti-women zealots
-Anti-gay zealots
-Anti-immigrant zealots
-Anti-social justice zealots
-Anti-gay zealots again

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11/6/2013 10:50:21 PM
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At 11/6/2013 9:58:15 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
If there still isn't one bias answer when I get home, I'll type one out.

I think Mrs.Lynch's post was fair and balanced.
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11/6/2013 11:05:47 PM
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Are there any non-Conservatist or non-Liberal?
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11/6/2013 11:12:03 PM
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At 11/6/2013 11:05:47 PM, yay842 wrote:
Are there any non-Conservatist or non-Liberal?

Only the pot smoking hippies known as an-caps, the cold hearted capitalist loving greedy rats known as libertarians, the bigots and economic lightweights known as populists, the "we hate class man" commie pinko left wing socialist University card carrying marxist Assshats, the hipsters claiming to be special and have an ideology of "other" because they're too stupid to identify with any, the let's bomb and invade every country neo-colonial dickkholes known as neocons and of course the wishy washy, go with your feelings/whoever is taller/better looking/better smile people known as moderates
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11/6/2013 11:20:03 PM
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I just wanted a simple, unbiased definition of Liberals and Conservatists and what they believe so that you can have a conversation with a little kid.
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11/6/2013 11:27:07 PM
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At 11/6/2013 10:23:21 PM, yay842 wrote:
Subutai actually gave a really good meaning that us NOT BIASED so that one helped me a lot. but could anyone explain it to me unbiased and like to a 5-year old

Subutai wasn't exactly "biased" but it fails to understand the difference between "liberal" and "politically liberal." For a political ideology, "liberal" does not mean "wanting change" as in the US all sides want change, they just have certain goals and directions that they want to change towards. There is no candidate out there that is saying "the status quo is great, lets stick with it," but you'd be hard pressed to say that there are no conservatives.

In their simplest form, conservatives and conservatism (in american politics, it does very from nation to nation) is a belief that tends towards using the government as a tool to enforce a moral code of right and wrong, however, they also tend to support the government not getting involved in non-moral issues, such as the economy (e.g. they prefer lower taxes for all and less regulation and allowing the market to dictate success and failure).

Liberals and liberalism (again, in american politics) is a belief that tends towards using the government as a tool to enforce economic and opportunity "equality" through collectivism. That the well off has an obligation to assist (at least to a degree) those who are down on their luck and that the government should enforce it (e.g. higher taxes on the rich and lower on the poor, minimum wage laws, unemployment benefits, etc). They also tend to believe that the government be less involved in moral rules.

It is easiest to understand if you look at it along two terms. Economic freedom and personal freedom (often called social freedom). inb4 some libertarian or anarchist says "Economic freedom IS personal freedom!!!!!!!!!1!!!1!!!!!"

Conservatives want more economic freedom and less personal freedom while liberals want more personal freedom and less economic freedom.

It is also important to note that these are not the only two options. Most members on this site are some form of libertarian, which generally supports more personal AND more economic freedom. The issue is that while libertarians tend to support both, they may just focus on one of the other and so side with conservatives or liberals, depending on where their focus is.
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11/6/2013 11:28:53 PM
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At 11/6/2013 9:36:13 PM, Mrs.lynch wrote:
At 11/6/2013 9:23:04 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 11/6/2013 9:20:45 PM, Mrs.lynch wrote:
A liberal is generally someone who makes foolish decisions based on emotions and that usually end up making life worse in the end through their own naivety.

A conservative is someone who looks at all sides of an issue, thinks about all possible outcomes, and makes well qualified decisions that will better help the community and society.

Yeah, that's a brilliant, non-biased perspective.

I call it as I see it. :)

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11/6/2013 11:30:56 PM
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At 11/6/2013 11:20:03 PM, yay842 wrote:
I just wanted a simple, unbiased definition of Liberals and Conservatists and what they believe so that you can have a conversation with a little kid.

Tell the kid to go play baseball or something. There will be enough time in life to be angered and depressed and made to feel impotent by politics. Don't open pandora's box until you absolutely have to.
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11/6/2013 11:32:07 PM
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At 11/6/2013 11:20:03 PM, yay842 wrote:
I just wanted a simple, unbiased definition of Liberals and Conservatists and what they believe so that you can have a conversation with a little kid.

Let me put it this way:

Liberals believe the Government should heavily regulate economic issues but stay out of social issues, while conservatives believe the government should stay out of economic issues but regulate social issues
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