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V.B.ing F.F.

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11/14/2013 5:48:47 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I've noticed members giving full 7 points for F.F.
Is there any basis for this, & should they be reported?
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11/14/2013 5:50:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/14/2013 5:48:47 PM, 1Devilsadvocate wrote:
I've noticed members giving full 7 points for F.F.
Is there any basis for this,

Yes

& should they be reported?

No
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11/14/2013 6:46:19 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/14/2013 5:48:47 PM, 1Devilsadvocate wrote:
I've noticed members giving full 7 points for F.F.
Is there any basis for this, & should they be reported?

Depends on the FF. If it's a single FF, it's probably a VB. If it's a multiple FF, it's probably not.
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11/15/2013 8:21:58 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/14/2013 5:48:47 PM, 1Devilsadvocate wrote:
I've noticed members giving full 7 points for F.F.
Is there any basis for this, & should they be reported?

Depends on the situation. If the full 7 is awarded and the only RFD is "FF" then it should be reported. Forfeiting has nothing to do with grammar, and is only indirectly linked to sources and arguments. The only thing it is automatically directly linked with is conduct.
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11/15/2013 10:15:06 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/14/2013 5:48:47 PM, 1Devilsadvocate wrote:
I've noticed members giving full 7 points for F.F.
Is there any basis for this, & should they be reported?

You can report it if you want. DDO doesn't have a rule one way or another. You might "make law."

The way I see it, a single-round forfeit is worth a conduct point. A full forfeit (FF) is worth the entire seven-point debate.

I've been known to vote persuasion (3 points) for the party who argued best, even if she forfeited all the rounds after the first. I've been told (not by anyone official) that I can't do that, that I have to vote against the person who forfeited. But, the way I see it, if you make the best argument in the first round, and your opponent doesn't manage to refute that argument, even if she has more rounds, then you earned the persuasion points.

On the other hand, if I notice that you did a full forfeit (FF) before I notice that you have the better argument, I'm liable to quit reading and give all seven points to your opponent.

I'll never quit reading and award conduct for a one-round forfeit, because the opponent might have some other form of bad conduct that can't be determined without reading the whole debate. But, if you forfeit two rounds (and your opponent doesn't) then there's nothing else that a voter needs to know: you forfeited the entire debate.

- Note that some people use "FF" to mean "forfeit," rather than "full forfeit." It would be wrong to give seven points for a single-round forfeit.
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11/15/2013 10:24:00 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/14/2013 5:48:47 PM, 1Devilsadvocate wrote:
I've noticed members giving full 7 points for F.F.
Is there any basis for this, & should they be reported?

Members who give seven point VBs to individuals whose opponent's forfeited generally are trying to make some passive aggressive statement about how bad forfeiting is. It's their prerogative to make that call, and it should be. I would, however, see nothing wrong with CVBing because the only effect that seeing a seven point VB to "punish" a person who FF's a round does is make me think about what a fuckwit the judge is... Arguments and conduct points alone are sufficient. The full seven points are overkill, but some people like to bitch and moan.
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11/15/2013 12:14:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Honestly if in doubt, just award conduct to the side that stuck around. Usually a forfeit makes the whole debate unworthy of much more than a skim, and if you haven't read it all, the only thing to be graded is those red forfeited rounds that are each major strikes against conduct.
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