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The Declining Quality of DDO debate

burningpuppies101
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1/5/2010 6:20:56 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Is it just me, or has the quality of the debating and the topics dropped significantly in the past few months?

I mean, a year ago, you would maybe see one or two debates out of 30 that were something silly with one sentence arguments, or random impossible-to-prove topics like "I'm cool" or something.

I just looked at the home page, and I saw maybe 3-4 silly random debates, like "Owls are smart" with one sentence opening arguments. Or something like CAPITALS ARE BETTER THAN TEENY LETTERS. How are you supposed to prove that?

On top of that, I think that formatting has dropped quite a bit.... I mean, who can say that a year ago, we would title debates with topics like: people should be allowed to get legal suicide. Grammar anyone?
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LeafRod
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1/5/2010 7:15:02 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
You don't have to prove things in debate. I already argued this with you a long time ago. You seem to have some odd notion that things need to be proven when it comes to the issues.
mongeese
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1/5/2010 7:27:36 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/5/2010 7:15:02 PM, LeafRod wrote:
You don't have to prove things in debate. I already argued this with you a long time ago. You seem to have some odd notion that things need to be proven when it comes to the issues.

I still think that a "Yo Mamma Joke" contest is of poorer quality than a debate over an actual issue, especially when all of the jokes are just lame repeats of each other. It gets old really fast.
burningpuppies101
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1/5/2010 7:36:33 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/5/2010 7:15:02 PM, LeafRod wrote:
You don't have to prove things in debate. I already argued this with you a long time ago. You seem to have some odd notion that things need to be proven when it comes to the issues.

if you're not to try to prove something, then what exactly is the point in a debate?
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1/5/2010 7:55:16 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/5/2010 7:27:36 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 1/5/2010 7:15:02 PM, LeafRod wrote:
You don't have to prove things in debate. I already argued this with you a long time ago. You seem to have some odd notion that things need to be proven when it comes to the issues.

I still think that a "Yo Mamma Joke" contest is of poorer quality than a debate over an actual issue, especially when all of the jokes are just lame repeats of each other. It gets old really fast.

Yea. It was entertaining to read and vote on the first "Yo Momma" debate, but after that they just got old so I don't even bother following those ones anymore.
LeafRod
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1/5/2010 8:08:29 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/5/2010 7:36:33 PM, burningpuppies101 wrote:
if you're not to try to prove something, then what exactly is the point in a debate?

That's not what I said. I said you don't have to prove something. Many things can't be proven. You can try, however. You can argue for them. That's where the debate is.
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1/5/2010 9:17:20 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/5/2010 8:08:29 PM, LeafRod wrote:
At 1/5/2010 7:36:33 PM, burningpuppies101 wrote:
if you're not to try to prove something, then what exactly is the point in a debate?

That's not what I said. I said you don't have to prove something. Many things can't be proven. You can try, however. You can argue for them. That's where the debate is.

You're obviously conflating the usage of "prove" - a debate is when two or more contenders argue about the truth or falsity of a claim. As simple as that.
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1/5/2010 10:04:55 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
That's basically what I'm saying. The OP presented topics that were "unprovable," but clearly one could argue for either side.
Kleptin
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1/5/2010 11:07:09 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Agreed with LeafRod. The debate resolutions themselves don't represent anything, as no actual conclusions need be made. The focus of this site is to improve debate tactics, argumentation. Has anyone noticed a decrease in the quality of the actual arguments? This should be the issue.
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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1/5/2010 11:34:51 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/5/2010 11:07:09 PM, Kleptin wrote:
Agreed with LeafRod. The debate resolutions themselves don't represent anything, as no actual conclusions need be made. The focus of this site is to improve debate tactics, argumentation. Has anyone noticed a decrease in the quality of the actual arguments? This should be the issue.

I think you will see that as a function of membership growth. More members will inherently mean we get a greater spread in the quality of those debating. Those debates that are poor are more salient than those of quality which attain high standards we have already seen.
TheSkeptic
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1/5/2010 11:49:36 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/5/2010 11:07:09 PM, Kleptin wrote:
Agreed with LeafRod. The debate resolutions themselves don't represent anything, as no actual conclusions need be made. The focus of this site is to improve debate tactics, argumentation.

The focus of the website doesn't have to be inclusive of only improving debate rhetoric; I wouldn't doubt that many members are here to provoke, engage, and hopefully conclude on a variety of several intellectual issues. But notwithstanding, I agree with both of you anyway.

Has anyone noticed a decrease in the quality of the actual arguments? This should be the issue.

As Puck pointed out, that's probably because of more members. More members = higher probability of those who start debates as silly as the ones mentioned.
mongeese
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1/6/2010 4:02:52 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/5/2010 11:07:09 PM, Kleptin wrote:
Has anyone noticed a decrease in the quality of the actual arguments?

Many arguments are now composed of just a few jokes. That's hardly any quality.

http://www.debate.org...
'Nuff said.
Kleptin
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1/6/2010 6:50:53 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
http://www.idebate.org...

This site has a huge list of debate topics. People can just randomly pick one from there.
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
burningpuppies101
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1/6/2010 8:32:38 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
problem is, not too many will....

and yes, i'm talking about the declining quality of debates, meaning both the resolutions and their arguments.

leafrod: i suppose it also depends on your definition of prove...
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1/8/2010 7:44:34 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
The quality drop is not a result of more irrelevent debates but rather the good, proper debaters getting tired of the strict format and moving to the forums.
In the relationship between Obama and the rest of the U.S..... I think the U.S. is getting the short end of the hockey stick.
mongeese
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1/8/2010 4:52:39 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/6/2010 6:50:53 AM, Kleptin wrote:
http://www.idebate.org...

This site has a huge list of debate topics. People can just randomly pick one from there.

I lol'ed at the mention of "positive discrimination."
Puck
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1/9/2010 3:53:02 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/8/2010 8:06:34 PM, bonnieluvs wrote:
I have no idea what a [d][d][o] debate is can you tell me

http://www.[debate][.][org]/
RoyLatham
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1/10/2010 10:02:15 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Maybe it is because of increased membership, but whatever the reason it's more difficult to get into a good debate than it used to be. It doesn't bother me that people want to have silly or pointless debates, but that should leave an increasing number of serious debates, and it doesn't seem to. Maybe ddo is moving towards being a strict social networking site. Maybe the increasing number of pointless debates scares off potential members interested in debating politics or economics or other traditional debate topics. If a person comes to the sit wanting to debate health care and what they see is mainly "yo mama," they may be inclined to go elsewhere.
Xer
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1/10/2010 10:07:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
If you look at the debates in the "Debating Period" you'll notice that most of them are high quality debates, or at least the topics are. However, the increasing amount of foolish debates have been persistent, and annoying.
burningpuppies101
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1/11/2010 7:47:16 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
i don't know, i haven't debated in about 3 months, if not more, because i haven't been able to find a worthwhile debate topic in the challenges section...
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Maikuru
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1/11/2010 8:41:24 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/11/2010 7:47:16 PM, burningpuppies101 wrote:
i don't know, i haven't debated in about 3 months, if not more, because i haven't been able to find a worthwhile debate topic in the challenges section...

I'm with you there. I tend to have large gaps of time between my debates because the challenge section can seem so unappealing. Of course, our definitions of worthwhile likely differ. I prefer some superhero-type spin in my topics =)
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burningpuppies101
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1/12/2010 9:14:47 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
i don't mind any kind of debate, and i loved judging the LM classic, which was as superhero-esque as it gets.

i don't care what kind of debate, i just want good debating....
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