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Uncalled out logical fallacy voting question.

themohawkninja
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11/26/2013 8:45:10 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
If someone in a debate never calls out a logical fallacy, should the person voting deduct possible points for the person who committed the fallacy, or should they not deduct anything since the other debater failed to call it out?
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Beverlee
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11/26/2013 9:30:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
This is a good question, since debate performance is what is being scored. The way I do it, is to for the side who had the strongest arguments. Usually logical breakdowns will hurt an argument whether or not the other side IDs the specific fallacies.
dylancatlow
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11/26/2013 9:34:10 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/26/2013 8:45:10 PM, themohawkninja wrote:
If someone in a debate never calls out a logical fallacy, should the person voting deduct possible points for the person who committed the fallacy, or should they not deduct anything since the other debater failed to call it out?

I think if a fallacy is left unidentified, no points should be deducted (unless it's left unaddressed to avoid needless redundancy or because it's obvious) because failing to reject invalid arguments is no less of an issue than making them. It's not that the original fallacy shouldn't be reflected in the judgement, but that the two offences cancel each other out.
000ike
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11/26/2013 9:39:33 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Therein lies the problem with the phraseology of "more convincing argument"... it allows the voter to assess your argument based on his perception of its validity rather than that defined by the debate.

In principle, though, you should vote only on what was mentioned in the debate itself.
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dylancatlow
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11/26/2013 9:45:35 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/26/2013 9:39:33 PM, 000ike wrote:
Therein lies the problem with the phraseology of "more convincing argument"... it allows the voter to assess your argument based on his perception of its validity rather than that defined by the debate.

In a sense, proper judgement must incorporate both.

In principle, though, you should vote only on what was mentioned in the debate itself.
Raisor
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11/26/2013 9:48:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/26/2013 9:39:33 PM, 000ike wrote:
Therein lies the problem with the phraseology of "more convincing argument"... it allows the voter to assess your argument based on his perception of its validity rather than that defined by the debate.

In principle, though, you should vote only on what was mentioned in the debate itself.

The problem is judge intervention- you don't want to be voting on arguments that weren't made in round or that the debaters can't respond to.

I think ike is right that it comes into play in determining which argument is more convincing. For example if you are weighing argument X against argument Y, and you know X was made in a sketchy manner, it makes sense to say Y was more convincing.

The trick is just making sure you aren't just tossing out arguments you don't like or that has flaws that weren't pointed out in the debate. Try to vote as much as possible on the content of the debate.
BlackVoid
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11/27/2013 12:24:16 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
It probably depends on how severe it is, but in most cases I would ignore the fallacy if they didn't point it out. Ike's post hits the mark.