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Mikal
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2/4/2014 1:25:23 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Welcome one and all to a team debate about the morality of gay marriage. I have been wanting to set up a team debate for a while but was restricted because of time constraints. I now have a little bit of time on my hands, and have found a team to take this topic head on with me. We shall be Con for this Debate

Resolved: Gay marriage is immoral

Team Con shall Consist of the following DDO users/members

[1] Mikal(myself)
[2] YYW
[3] bsh1

Team Pro shall consist of anyone whom is willing to defend the resolution. I would ask that Team Pro have a decently high elo, or good track record with debates. I do not want any FFs in this and want all the members to contribute accordingly.

The rules we have figured out so far are as follows. One member from our team, shall challenge on members of team Pro to the debate. All 3 members shall work in unison to provide information and ideas involving the debate. This can be accomplished via messages, skype, phone, whatever the need may be to accomplish this debate. It shall be noted that all members contributed to the debate and worked together, but the actual debate will only be recorded on a 1 member vs 1 member basis. Each team can decide whom wants to actually accept or initiate the challenge.

I am going to Start the sign up sheet for Team Pro down Below

[1]
[2]
[3]

This is not a troll debate, and we want this to be serious, thought provoking, and fun. We elect the right to pick our challengers if multiple people sign up for this. We shall try to pick the best and most hardened challengers for the topic at hand.

Good luck to all and if I missed anything, my team mates will further clarify below
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2/4/2014 5:44:46 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/4/2014 5:43:54 AM, TUF wrote:
Too bad there are no Con spots left...

Lol I have done too many gay marriage debates lately anyway.
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2/4/2014 11:04:59 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/4/2014 1:25:23 AM, Mikal wrote:
[1] Mikal(myself)
[2] YYW
[3] bsh1

Dream team!!!
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2/4/2014 11:35:32 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/4/2014 11:21:49 AM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
That's a bad resolution.

You'd have to be crazy to accept this debate. I mean, seriously nuts.
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2/4/2014 11:50:56 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/4/2014 11:43:36 AM, KingDebater wrote:
Team Pro
1. KingDebater (myself)
2. Properjobtractors123
3. Minecraftmanjg

There, you have a team.
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2/4/2014 1:00:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/4/2014 12:52:13 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Not only is bias horrendously against Con but that is also an extreme standpoint to argue from non secularly.

I hope that you mean 'Pro', instead of 'Con'...
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2/4/2014 1:08:06 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/4/2014 1:00:40 PM, Fox-McCloud wrote:
At 2/4/2014 12:52:13 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Not only is bias horrendously against Con but that is also an extreme standpoint to argue from non secularly.

I hope that you mean 'Pro', instead of 'Con'...

Yep.
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2/4/2014 2:28:52 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I hope you get some good opponents. I don't know how anybody could argue for the immorality of homosexuality apart from the Bible or the Qur'an. I've seen people make natural law type arguments, but that's about it.
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2/4/2014 2:33:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/4/2014 11:50:56 AM, KingDebater wrote:
At 2/4/2014 11:43:36 AM, KingDebater wrote:
Team Pro
1. KingDebater (myself)
2. Properjobtractors123
3. Minecraftmanjg

There, you have a team.

Since we're initiating, I'm going to claim veto power. It's not that I don't like any of you guys, but there is really no point in us debating you...

I want someone like Roy, Contradiction, ConservativePolitico or even SovereignDream to put up the fight for the other side.
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2/4/2014 2:34:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/4/2014 12:52:13 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Not only is bias horrendously against Con but that is also an extreme standpoint to argue from non secularly.

Yeah, I'm not going to debate them.
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2/4/2014 2:38:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/4/2014 2:33:49 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/4/2014 11:50:56 AM, KingDebater wrote:
At 2/4/2014 11:43:36 AM, KingDebater wrote:
Team Pro
1. KingDebater (myself)
2. Properjobtractors123
3. Minecraftmanjg

There, you have a team.

Since we're initiating, I'm going to claim veto power. It's not that I don't like any of you guys, but there is really no point in us debating you...

I want someone like Roy, Contradiction, ConservativePolitico or even SovereignDream to put up the fight for the other side.

I'm flattered. I might take it up but the parameters, definitions etc will have to be set up first.
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I said to myself, "This too is meaningless."
For the wise, like the fool, will not be long remembered;
the days have already come when both have been forgotten.
Like the fool, the wise too must die!
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2/4/2014 4:04:35 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Only an idiot accepts that resolution. Con teams can claim Relative Morality and win. It's a trick resolution. Since they don't have BOP, they don't have to prove anything.
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2/4/2014 4:05:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/4/2014 2:33:49 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/4/2014 11:50:56 AM, KingDebater wrote:
At 2/4/2014 11:43:36 AM, KingDebater wrote:
Team Pro
1. KingDebater (myself)
2. Properjobtractors123
3. Minecraftmanjg

There, you have a team.

Since we're initiating, I'm going to claim veto power. It's not that I don't like any of you guys, but there is really no point in us debating you...

I want someone like Roy, Contradiction, ConservativePolitico or even SovereignDream to put up the fight for the other side.

I see how it is <.<
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YYW
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2/4/2014 4:15:13 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/4/2014 4:05:40 PM, donald.keller wrote:
At 2/4/2014 2:33:49 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/4/2014 11:50:56 AM, KingDebater wrote:
At 2/4/2014 11:43:36 AM, KingDebater wrote:
Team Pro
1. KingDebater (myself)
2. Properjobtractors123
3. Minecraftmanjg

There, you have a team.

Since we're initiating, I'm going to claim veto power. It's not that I don't like any of you guys, but there is really no point in us debating you...

I want someone like Roy, Contradiction, ConservativePolitico or even SovereignDream to put up the fight for the other side.

I see how it is <.<

Actually, Mikil thinks you'd be ok to debate this as well... and I'm inclined to agree with him.
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2/4/2014 4:19:31 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/4/2014 4:15:13 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/4/2014 4:05:40 PM, donald.keller wrote:
At 2/4/2014 2:33:49 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/4/2014 11:50:56 AM, KingDebater wrote:
At 2/4/2014 11:43:36 AM, KingDebater wrote:
Team Pro
1. KingDebater (myself)
2. Properjobtractors123
3. Minecraftmanjg

There, you have a team.

Since we're initiating, I'm going to claim veto power. It's not that I don't like any of you guys, but there is really no point in us debating you...

I want someone like Roy, Contradiction, ConservativePolitico or even SovereignDream to put up the fight for the other side.

I see how it is <.<

Actually, Mikil thinks you'd be ok to debate this as well... and I'm inclined to agree with him.

(: Well that makes me fell rather good.. thank you.
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Mikal
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2/4/2014 4:55:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/4/2014 12:52:13 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Not only is bias horrendously against Con but that is also an extreme standpoint to argue from non secularly.

The issue is finding a standpoint at all to come from. There are a few possible ways to go about it.

We can say it should be legalized in general but most people would feel the same way about that stance. It would have to encompass the scope of the marriage but I am fine with that if someone were actually willing to take it.

The issue is why should it not be legal. The resolution is clear and clearly aimed at conservatives/Christians who hold the belief. BSH can correct me if I am wrong, but there are quite a few members who feel this way do to religious beliefs. Just asking someone to step up to actually defend it. I am fine with altering the resolution however, as I am sure my teammates are as well.
Mikal
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2/4/2014 4:55:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/4/2014 4:04:35 PM, donald.keller wrote:
Only an idiot accepts that resolution. Con teams can claim Relative Morality and win. It's a trick resolution. Since they don't have BOP, they don't have to prove anything.

The issue is finding a standpoint at all to come from. There are a few possible ways to go about it.

We can say it should be legalized in general but most people would feel the same way about that stance. It would have to encompass the scope of the marriage but I am fine with that if someone were actually willing to take it.

The issue is why should it not be legal. The resolution is clear and clearly aimed at conservatives/Christians who hold the belief. BSH can correct me if I am wrong, but there are quite a few members who feel this way do to religious beliefs. Just asking someone to step up to actually defend it. I am fine with altering the resolution however, as I am sure my teammates are as well.
Mikal
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2/4/2014 4:56:14 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/4/2014 2:38:41 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 2/4/2014 2:33:49 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/4/2014 11:50:56 AM, KingDebater wrote:
At 2/4/2014 11:43:36 AM, KingDebater wrote:
Team Pro
1. KingDebater (myself)
2. Properjobtractors123
3. Minecraftmanjg

There, you have a team.

Since we're initiating, I'm going to claim veto power. It's not that I don't like any of you guys, but there is really no point in us debating you...

I want someone like Roy, Contradiction, ConservativePolitico or even SovereignDream to put up the fight for the other side.

I'm flattered. I might take it up but the parameters, definitions etc will have to be set up first.

I am willing to re work the resolution if you agree to take it. I am right in line with YYW. I was actually hoping you and possible ore would take this specifically.
Mikal
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2/4/2014 5:12:33 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
proposal from bsh on some updated resolutions

Resolved: Gay marriage should be legalized in the U.S.

Resolved: Nations with bans on gay marriage should lift those bans within the next 5 years.

Resolved: Marriage is a human right, even for gay couples.

Resolved: It is unjust to prohibit gay marriage.
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2/4/2014 5:14:57 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/4/2014 4:56:14 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 2/4/2014 2:38:41 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 2/4/2014 2:33:49 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/4/2014 11:50:56 AM, KingDebater wrote:
At 2/4/2014 11:43:36 AM, KingDebater wrote:
Team Pro
1. KingDebater (myself)
2. Properjobtractors123
3. Minecraftmanjg

There, you have a team.

Since we're initiating, I'm going to claim veto power. It's not that I don't like any of you guys, but there is really no point in us debating you...

I want someone like Roy, Contradiction, ConservativePolitico or even SovereignDream to put up the fight for the other side.

I'm flattered. I might take it up but the parameters, definitions etc will have to be set up first.

I am willing to re work the resolution if you agree to take it. I am right in line with YYW. I was actually hoping you and possible ore would take this specifically.

You know why I can't argue that gay marriage shouldn't be allowed. I can argue that it is reasonable to be against gay marriage thougj. I'd want to see the definitions before accepting.
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2/4/2014 5:18:32 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Other ideas:

Resolved: Bans on homosexual intercourse are unjust/should be lifted
Resolved: Homosexual orientation is not inherently immoral.
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2/4/2014 5:20:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/4/2014 5:14:57 PM, donald.keller wrote:

Hi, DK! Do any of these new proposed topics work? Do you have any questions about them?
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2/4/2014 5:27:09 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/4/2014 2:33:49 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/4/2014 11:50:56 AM, KingDebater wrote:
At 2/4/2014 11:43:36 AM, KingDebater wrote:
Team Pro
1. KingDebater (myself)
2. Properjobtractors123
3. Minecraftmanjg

There, you have a team.

Since we're initiating, I'm going to claim veto power. It's not that I don't like any of you guys, but there is really no point in us debating you...

I want someone like Roy, Contradiction, ConservativePolitico or even SovereignDream to put up the fight for the other side.

What about me?
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2/4/2014 5:28:59 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/4/2014 5:27:09 PM, DudeStop wrote:
At 2/4/2014 2:33:49 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/4/2014 11:50:56 AM, KingDebater wrote:
At 2/4/2014 11:43:36 AM, KingDebater wrote:
Team Pro
1. KingDebater (myself)
2. Properjobtractors123
3. Minecraftmanjg

There, you have a team.

Since we're initiating, I'm going to claim veto power. It's not that I don't like any of you guys, but there is really no point in us debating you...

I want someone like Roy, Contradiction, ConservativePolitico or even SovereignDream to put up the fight for the other side.

What about me?

You're pro gay marriage, right? We're looking for people who don't support it to debate us.
Live Long and Prosper

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2/4/2014 5:30:57 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/4/2014 5:28:59 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/4/2014 5:27:09 PM, DudeStop wrote:
At 2/4/2014 2:33:49 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/4/2014 11:50:56 AM, KingDebater wrote:
At 2/4/2014 11:43:36 AM, KingDebater wrote:
Team Pro
1. KingDebater (myself)
2. Properjobtractors123
3. Minecraftmanjg

There, you have a team.

Since we're initiating, I'm going to claim veto power. It's not that I don't like any of you guys, but there is really no point in us debating you...

I want someone like Roy, Contradiction, ConservativePolitico or even SovereignDream to put up the fight for the other side.

What about me?

You're pro gay marriage, right? We're looking for people who don't support it to debate us.

I can't play the devils advocate? I could take a picture of my grade sheet I received today. Highest in all seven periods, in a debate where I was the devils advocate. I was really asking whether I would be someone "worthy" you may say if debating you all..
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2/4/2014 5:34:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/4/2014 5:30:57 PM, DudeStop wrote:
At 2/4/2014 5:28:59 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/4/2014 5:27:09 PM, DudeStop wrote:
At 2/4/2014 2:33:49 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/4/2014 11:50:56 AM, KingDebater wrote:
At 2/4/2014 11:43:36 AM, KingDebater wrote:
Team Pro
1. KingDebater (myself)
2. Properjobtractors123
3. Minecraftmanjg

There, you have a team.

Since we're initiating, I'm going to claim veto power. It's not that I don't like any of you guys, but there is really no point in us debating you...

I want someone like Roy, Contradiction, ConservativePolitico or even SovereignDream to put up the fight for the other side.

What about me?

You're pro gay marriage, right? We're looking for people who don't support it to debate us.

I can't play the devils advocate? I could take a picture of my grade sheet I received today. Highest in all seven periods, in a debate where I was the devils advocate. I was really asking whether I would be someone "worthy" you may say if debating you all..

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