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Should a forfeited debate get votes?

Senatus
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2/5/2014 5:11:58 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
My opponent in this (http://www.debate.org...) debate has forfeited due to time constraints. He has also said not to vote on the debate. I'm new to DDO, so I'm wondering if this is normal, and whether or not it should be voted on. Thanks for the help.
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2/5/2014 5:13:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/5/2014 5:11:58 PM, Senatus wrote:
My opponent in this (http://www.debate.org...) debate has forfeited due to time constraints. He has also said not to vote on the debate. I'm new to DDO, so I'm wondering if this is normal, and whether or not it should be voted on. Thanks for the help.

Really, I thinks it's up to you. You could choose to be charitable, or you could insist that votes be permitted.
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2/5/2014 6:01:05 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
It honestly depends. What I would recommend is, if you feel like a forfeight was just a copout, or laziness, totally seek votes. But if it was an honest mistake, or simply no time, well, maybe let it g for another day.

It's not uncommon, under certain circumstances, for people to request a no vote. By the rules of the site, you have every right to win. It's a matter of honour though.

Ultimately, it's your choice.
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2/5/2014 6:03:13 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
...Gah. While we're complaining about new gender options, an "edit post" option would be a nice addition. That's embarrassing.
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2/5/2014 6:19:05 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/5/2014 6:03:13 PM, KnightArtorias wrote:
...Gah. While we're complaining about new gender options, an "edit post" option would be a nice addition. That's embarrassing.

I believe you should edit a post until it's been replied to.
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2/5/2014 6:37:59 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I call what he did a concession (stepping out for whatever reason); whereas a forfeit they just disappear (really annoying). I'd by default give conduct to whomever stepped out, and argument to the person who stayed in.
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2/5/2014 8:02:52 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/5/2014 5:11:58 PM, Senatus wrote:
My opponent in this (http://www.debate.org...) debate has forfeited due to time constraints. He has also said not to vote on the debate. I'm new to DDO, so I'm wondering if this is normal, and whether or not it should be voted on. Thanks for the help.

I think it is perfectly reasonable to vote on the debate if the opponent forfeits without giving a good reason.
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2/5/2014 8:10:02 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/5/2014 5:11:58 PM, Senatus wrote:
My opponent in this (http://www.debate.org...) debate has forfeited due to time constraints. He has also said not to vote on the debate. I'm new to DDO, so I'm wondering if this is normal, and whether or not it should be voted on. Thanks for the help.

Sweetie, it's up to you. But in fairness talk to your opponent on what y'all wanna do. Well, at least that's what I do anyways. Everyone's different.
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2/5/2014 8:11:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/5/2014 5:11:58 PM, Senatus wrote:
My opponent in this (http://www.debate.org...) debate has forfeited due to time constraints. He has also said not to vote on the debate. I'm new to DDO, so I'm wondering if this is normal, and whether or not it should be voted on. Thanks for the help.

Your opponent doesn't get to demand that there not be voting. As the one NOT forfeiting, it's really up to you--he's free to request it, though were it me, I'd be less inclined to grant it, since he didn't really "ask", but rather just stated that no one should vote.

In the end, the voters will be able to vote whether you two agree to cancel out the debate or not--though in general, if both parties agree, it's considered poor form to go against that, and may or may not get "countered" by a member, or deleted by a mod.

But again, as the non-forfeiter, it's wholly up to you. Personally, I'd want a really good reason to justify why I should, or a pre-existing cordial relationship that encourages me to do a favor. Bear in mind, while ELO doesn't matter much, a win would bump yours up more than a tie would (though, I believe either would bump you up since you're lower than he is. And, bear in mind, if your ELO was higher than his, a tie would theoretically HURT your ELO).

From R1, it seems like he expected to lose--which tends to make me wonder if he just doesn't want the loss. To me, it seems unfair to deny you a win "just cause"--you made a debate, he accepted, then he fled the debate. Getting a no-vote debate is a favor he should be asking of you, and he should treat it as such if he expects you to grant it. But maybe I'm a jerk.
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2/5/2014 8:12:47 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Whatever you decide, though, you should post it in a round or at the very least in the comments, so that those reading the debate know that you've agreed to it or not.
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2/5/2014 8:15:57 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/5/2014 5:11:58 PM, Senatus wrote:
My opponent in this (http://www.debate.org...) debate has forfeited due to time constraints. He has also said not to vote on the debate. I'm new to DDO, so I'm wondering if this is normal, and whether or not it should be voted on. Thanks for the help.

He doesn't owe you anything. Frankly, he shouldn't be asking people to refrain from voting, as it is highly unusual for the forfeiting party to demand anything of the voters.
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2/6/2014 6:26:09 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Thanks for your help. @Dudestop just posted a comment saying "I'm so voting", so the matter might not rest in my hands anymore. :)
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2/7/2014 2:09:39 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Is it normal for people to give votes to the person who forfeited? I am losing 6-1 because somebody thought that the user who forfeited did better. This would be fine, but they agreed with my opponent before and after the debate, gave vague RFDs, and did this even though my opponent said multiple time that they were going to lose, and gave some vague arguments. Is this unfair voting, or am I just not able to get over losing a debate that was mine to win from pretty early on?
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2/7/2014 2:40:03 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/7/2014 2:09:39 PM, Senatus wrote:
Is it normal for people to give votes to the person who forfeited?

Once a few votes are in your favor a protest vote would be acceptable, but that vote looks highly suspect.
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