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2/5/2014 11:01:57 PM
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I hate the term atheism, because it claims there is no God. This is even obvious with the root A (without). Would it be proper to call myself a New Atheist? Dealing in odds of probability. God "probably" does not exist. If so I wonder if I can alter Atheism to Novatheism or Nov ' a ' theism.
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2/5/2014 11:08:53 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/5/2014 11:01:57 PM, Mikal wrote:
I hate the term atheism, because it claims there is no God. This is even obvious with the root A (without). Would it be proper to call myself a New Atheist? Dealing in odds of probability. God "probably" does not exist. If so I wonder if I can alter Atheism to Novatheism or Nov ' a ' theism.

You can try to get it to catch on among atheists. The key is a good marketing strategy and a huge advertising budget.
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2/5/2014 11:12:36 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/5/2014 11:01:57 PM, Mikal wrote:
I hate the term atheism, because it claims there is no God. This is even obvious with the root A (without). Would it be proper to call myself a New Atheist? Dealing in odds of probability. God "probably" does not exist. If so I wonder if I can alter Atheism to Novatheism or Nov ' a ' theism.

I always recommended "agnostic" to suggest the position of "I don't know."

How about Dubism?

From latin Dubium (meaning doubt) to be a doubtful belief. So rather than saying God "probably" doesn't exist, you would go with you "doubt" God exists.
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2/5/2014 11:14:24 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/5/2014 11:01:57 PM, Mikal wrote:
I hate the term atheism, because it claims there is no God. This is even obvious with the root A (without). Would it be proper to call myself a New Atheist? Dealing in odds of probability. God "probably" does not exist. If so I wonder if I can alter Atheism to Novatheism or Nov ' a ' theism.

In general the "New Atheists" movement is pretty tightly entwined with antitheism, so I don't think you'll have luck with it.
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2/5/2014 11:24:38 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/5/2014 11:12:36 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/5/2014 11:01:57 PM, Mikal wrote:
I hate the term atheism, because it claims there is no God. This is even obvious with the root A (without). Would it be proper to call myself a New Atheist? Dealing in odds of probability. God "probably" does not exist. If so I wonder if I can alter Atheism to Novatheism or Nov ' a ' theism.

I always recommended "agnostic" to suggest the position of "I don't know."

How about Dubism?

From latin Dubium (meaning doubt) to be a doubtful belief. So rather than saying God "probably" doesn't exist, you would go with you "doubt" God exists.

that is more viable
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2/5/2014 11:25:28 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/5/2014 11:12:36 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/5/2014 11:01:57 PM, Mikal wrote:
I hate the term atheism, because it claims there is no God. This is even obvious with the root A (without). Would it be proper to call myself a New Atheist? Dealing in odds of probability. God "probably" does not exist. If so I wonder if I can alter Atheism to Novatheism or Nov ' a ' theism.

I always recommended "agnostic" to suggest the position of "I don't know."

How about Dubism?

From latin Dubium (meaning doubt) to be a doubtful belief. So rather than saying God "probably" doesn't exist, you would go with you "doubt" God exists.

duthesim? lol
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2/5/2014 11:25:28 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/5/2014 11:12:36 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/5/2014 11:01:57 PM, Mikal wrote:
I hate the term atheism, because it claims there is no God. This is even obvious with the root A (without). Would it be proper to call myself a New Atheist? Dealing in odds of probability. God "probably" does not exist. If so I wonder if I can alter Atheism to Novatheism or Nov ' a ' theism.

I always recommended "agnostic" to suggest the position of "I don't know."

How about Dubism?

From latin Dubium (meaning doubt) to be a doubtful belief. So rather than saying God "probably" doesn't exist, you would go with you "doubt" God exists.

duthesim? lol
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2/5/2014 11:28:55 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/5/2014 11:25:28 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 2/5/2014 11:12:36 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/5/2014 11:01:57 PM, Mikal wrote:
I hate the term atheism, because it claims there is no God. This is even obvious with the root A (without). Would it be proper to call myself a New Atheist? Dealing in odds of probability. God "probably" does not exist. If so I wonder if I can alter Atheism to Novatheism or Nov ' a ' theism.

I always recommended "agnostic" to suggest the position of "I don't know."

How about Dubism?

From latin Dubium (meaning doubt) to be a doubtful belief. So rather than saying God "probably" doesn't exist, you would go with you "doubt" God exists.

duthesim? lol

Sounds like someone with a lisp trying to say 'dufism'
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2/5/2014 11:44:40 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/5/2014 11:28:55 PM, imabench wrote:
At 2/5/2014 11:25:28 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 2/5/2014 11:12:36 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/5/2014 11:01:57 PM, Mikal wrote:
I hate the term atheism, because it claims there is no God. This is even obvious with the root A (without). Would it be proper to call myself a New Atheist? Dealing in odds of probability. God "probably" does not exist. If so I wonder if I can alter Atheism to Novatheism or Nov ' a ' theism.

I always recommended "agnostic" to suggest the position of "I don't know."

How about Dubism?

From latin Dubium (meaning doubt) to be a doubtful belief. So rather than saying God "probably" doesn't exist, you would go with you "doubt" God exists.

duthesim? lol

Sounds like someone with a lisp trying to say 'dufism'

^
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2/6/2014 1:25:05 AM
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I was thinking of phonetically it being "do-bee-ism" (as is "dubious") but I think dubism would be pronounced "dub-ism"
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2/6/2014 2:28:38 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/5/2014 11:01:57 PM, Mikal wrote:
I hate the term atheism, because it claims there is no God. This is even obvious with the root A (without). Would it be proper to call myself a New Atheist? Dealing in odds of probability. God "probably" does not exist. If so I wonder if I can alter Atheism to Novatheism or Nov ' a ' theism.

Thats why calling yourself agnostic is easier, and more definitional. People are too busy being stuck on thinking that it is non-commital. Nah, dude, being agnostic can be exactly what was said above.
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2/6/2014 3:48:35 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/5/2014 11:01:57 PM, Mikal wrote:
I hate the term atheism, because it claims there is no God. This is even obvious with the root A (without). Would it be proper to call myself a New Atheist? Dealing in odds of probability. God "probably" does not exist. If so I wonder if I can alter Atheism to Novatheism or Nov ' a ' theism.

Mikal, I would actually call you an "agnostic", but you're of course free to label yourself whatever you think you actually are. In my view you're an "agnostic", but with a strong atheistic slant.

I've also heard of people referring to themselves as "soft atheists" that believe similarly as you do. But I do't want pigeon-hole you either, because there might be differences you want to take account of in the label you choose for yourself.
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2/6/2014 3:56:11 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/5/2014 11:01:57 PM, Mikal wrote:
I hate the term atheism, because it claims there is no God. This is even obvious with the root A (without). Would it be proper to call myself a New Atheist? Dealing in odds of probability. God "probably" does not exist. If so I wonder if I can alter Atheism to Novatheism or Nov ' a ' theism.

Not true. Atheism does not claim there is no God. It merely claims no believe in God. Big difference.
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2/6/2014 4:07:19 AM
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At 2/6/2014 3:56:11 AM, Fox-McCloud wrote:
At 2/5/2014 11:01:57 PM, Mikal wrote:
I hate the term atheism, because it claims there is no God. This is even obvious with the root A (without). Would it be proper to call myself a New Atheist? Dealing in odds of probability. God "probably" does not exist. If so I wonder if I can alter Atheism to Novatheism or Nov ' a ' theism.

Not true. Atheism does not claim there is no God. It merely claims no believe in God. Big difference.

Atheism itself is actually broken up into various sub-categories. Strong atheists believe that there are absolutely no supernatural deities at all. Weak atheists reject that any supernatural deities exist but don't claim that "at least one deity exist" is a false statement.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

Antitheists would be categorized as strong atheist, while Mikal, from what he has expressed in this thread, appears to be a weak atheist.
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2/6/2014 4:16:22 AM
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At 2/6/2014 4:07:19 AM, Juan_Pablo wrote:
At 2/6/2014 3:56:11 AM, Fox-McCloud wrote:
At 2/5/2014 11:01:57 PM, Mikal wrote:
I hate the term atheism, because it claims there is no God. This is even obvious with the root A (without). Would it be proper to call myself a New Atheist? Dealing in odds of probability. God "probably" does not exist. If so I wonder if I can alter Atheism to Novatheism or Nov ' a ' theism.

Not true. Atheism does not claim there is no God. It merely claims no believe in God. Big difference.

Atheism itself is actually broken up into various sub-categories. Strong atheists believe that there are absolutely no supernatural deities at all. Weak atheists reject that any supernatural deities exist but don't claim that "at least one deity exist" is a false statement.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

Antitheists would be categorized as strong atheist, while Mikal, from what he has expressed in this thread, appears to be a weak atheist.

Indeed, that is true. They reject the proposition of a supernatural deity, i.e. they do not believe. However, the atheist does not postulate the positive claim: 'God does not exist'.
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2/6/2014 6:57:48 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/5/2014 11:01:57 PM, Mikal wrote:
I hate the term atheism, because it claims there is no God. This is even obvious with the root A (without). Would it be proper to call myself a New Atheist? Dealing in odds of probability. God "probably" does not exist. If so I wonder if I can alter Atheism to Novatheism or Nov ' a ' theism.

Sounds "agnostic" to me.
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2/6/2014 7:21:05 AM
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At 2/6/2014 6:57:48 AM, kbub wrote:
At 2/5/2014 11:01:57 PM, Mikal wrote:
I hate the term atheism, because it claims there is no God. This is even obvious with the root A (without). Would it be proper to call myself a New Atheist? Dealing in odds of probability. God "probably" does not exist. If so I wonder if I can alter Atheism to Novatheism or Nov ' a ' theism.

Sounds "agnostic" to me.

How does this sound agnostic? Sounds like weak atheism or, as I prefer, agnostic atheism to me. If your view is: God probably does not exist', then you do not believe in God. This would qualify as the atheist viewpoint. To be agnostic, one has to answer the epistemological question about the existence of God negatively: 'Can it be known?'. These two views are not incompatible, quite the opposite. I myself happen to be an agnostic atheist.
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2/6/2014 7:22:17 AM
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At 2/6/2014 7:21:05 AM, Fox-McCloud wrote:
At 2/6/2014 6:57:48 AM, kbub wrote:
At 2/5/2014 11:01:57 PM, Mikal wrote:
I hate the term atheism, because it claims there is no God. This is even obvious with the root A (without). Would it be proper to call myself a New Atheist? Dealing in odds of probability. God "probably" does not exist. If so I wonder if I can alter Atheism to Novatheism or Nov ' a ' theism.

Sounds "agnostic" to me.

How does this sound agnostic? Sounds like weak atheism or, as I prefer, agnostic atheism to me. If your view is: God probably does not exist', then you do not believe in God. This would qualify as the atheist viewpoint. To be agnostic, one has to answer the epistemological question about the existence of God negatively: 'Can it be known?'. These two views are not incompatible, quite the opposite. I myself happen to be an agnostic atheist.

Thanks for the clarification! My mistake.
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2/6/2014 7:31:03 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/5/2014 11:01:57 PM, Mikal wrote:
I hate the term atheism, because it claims there is no God. This is even obvious with the root A (without). Would it be proper to call myself a New Atheist? Dealing in odds of probability. God "probably" does not exist. If so I wonder if I can alter Atheism to Novatheism or Nov ' a ' theism.

Go for AntiTheism.
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2/6/2014 1:04:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/6/2014 7:31:03 AM, DudeStop wrote:
At 2/5/2014 11:01:57 PM, Mikal wrote:
I hate the term atheism, because it claims there is no God. This is even obvious with the root A (without). Would it be proper to call myself a New Atheist? Dealing in odds of probability. God "probably" does not exist. If so I wonder if I can alter Atheism to Novatheism or Nov ' a ' theism.

Go for AntiTheism.

but anti theism is just opposition for no reason in a way. I'm not opposed to all religion either lol
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2/6/2014 1:14:14 PM
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At 2/6/2014 1:04:27 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 2/6/2014 7:31:03 AM, DudeStop wrote:
At 2/5/2014 11:01:57 PM, Mikal wrote:
I hate the term atheism, because it claims there is no God. This is even obvious with the root A (without). Would it be proper to call myself a New Atheist? Dealing in odds of probability. God "probably" does not exist. If so I wonder if I can alter Atheism to Novatheism or Nov ' a ' theism.

Go for AntiTheism.

but anti theism is just opposition for no reason in a way. I'm not opposed to all religion either lol

How about its renamed to 'say-tan-ism', just to scare the hell out of christians?
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2/6/2014 1:49:18 PM
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At 2/6/2014 1:14:14 PM, imabench wrote:
At 2/6/2014 1:04:27 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 2/6/2014 7:31:03 AM, DudeStop wrote:
At 2/5/2014 11:01:57 PM, Mikal wrote:
I hate the term atheism, because it claims there is no God. This is even obvious with the root A (without). Would it be proper to call myself a New Atheist? Dealing in odds of probability. God "probably" does not exist. If so I wonder if I can alter Atheism to Novatheism or Nov ' a ' theism.

Go for AntiTheism.

but anti theism is just opposition for no reason in a way. I'm not opposed to all religion either lol

How about its renamed to 'say-tan-ism', just to scare the hell out of christians?

Aren't you a Christian?
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2/7/2014 5:14:28 PM
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At 2/5/2014 11:01:57 PM, Mikal wrote:
I hate the term atheism, because it claims there is no God. This is even obvious with the root A (without). Would it be proper to call myself a New Atheist? Dealing in odds of probability. God "probably" does not exist. If so I wonder if I can alter Atheism to Novatheism or Nov ' a ' theism.

Well, I would say two things:

1) Atheism doesn't claim there is no God, although the gnostic atheism does.
2) Novatheism sounds awesome.
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2/7/2014 5:16:51 PM
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At 2/7/2014 5:14:28 PM, MysticEgg wrote:
At 2/5/2014 11:01:57 PM, Mikal wrote:
I hate the term atheism, because it claims there is no God. This is even obvious with the root A (without). Would it be proper to call myself a New Atheist? Dealing in odds of probability. God "probably" does not exist. If so I wonder if I can alter Atheism to Novatheism or Nov ' a ' theism.


Well, I would say two things:

1) Atheism doesn't claim there is no God, although the gnostic atheism does.
2) Novatheism sounds awesome.

i thought novatheism sounded badass too xD

but tbh, atheism at his heart is saying there is no God. "A" Latin for without ; Theism is also the proponent for God.

So by sheer definition an atheist is defined as without God.
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2/7/2014 5:24:44 PM
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At 2/7/2014 5:16:51 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 2/7/2014 5:14:28 PM, MysticEgg wrote:
At 2/5/2014 11:01:57 PM, Mikal wrote:
I hate the term atheism, because it claims there is no God. This is even obvious with the root A (without). Would it be proper to call myself a New Atheist? Dealing in odds of probability. God "probably" does not exist. If so I wonder if I can alter Atheism to Novatheism or Nov ' a ' theism.


Well, I would say two things:

1) Atheism doesn't claim there is no God, although the gnostic atheism does.
2) Novatheism sounds awesome.

i thought novatheism sounded badass too xD

but tbh, atheism at his heart is saying there is no God. "A" Latin for without ; Theism is also the proponent for God.

So by sheer definition an atheist is defined as without God.

Linguistics time!

By sheer etymology. I think you'll find the definition to be slightly different. ;D
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2/7/2014 5:25:58 PM
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At 2/7/2014 5:24:44 PM, MysticEgg wrote:
At 2/7/2014 5:16:51 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 2/7/2014 5:14:28 PM, MysticEgg wrote:
At 2/5/2014 11:01:57 PM, Mikal wrote:
I hate the term atheism, because it claims there is no God. This is even obvious with the root A (without). Would it be proper to call myself a New Atheist? Dealing in odds of probability. God "probably" does not exist. If so I wonder if I can alter Atheism to Novatheism or Nov ' a ' theism.


Well, I would say two things:

1) Atheism doesn't claim there is no God, although the gnostic atheism does.
2) Novatheism sounds awesome.

i thought novatheism sounded badass too xD

but tbh, atheism at his heart is saying there is no God. "A" Latin for without ; Theism is also the proponent for God.

So by sheer definition an atheist is defined as without God.

Linguistics time!

By sheer etymology. I think you'll find the definition to be slightly different. ;D

I mean you could alter the initial interpretation but essentially it is widely held to that.
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2/7/2014 5:27:29 PM
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At 2/7/2014 5:25:58 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 2/7/2014 5:24:44 PM, MysticEgg wrote:
At 2/7/2014 5:16:51 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 2/7/2014 5:14:28 PM, MysticEgg wrote:
At 2/5/2014 11:01:57 PM, Mikal wrote:
I hate the term atheism, because it claims there is no God. This is even obvious with the root A (without). Would it be proper to call myself a New Atheist? Dealing in odds of probability. God "probably" does not exist. If so I wonder if I can alter Atheism to Novatheism or Nov ' a ' theism.


Well, I would say two things:

1) Atheism doesn't claim there is no God, although the gnostic atheism does.
2) Novatheism sounds awesome.

i thought novatheism sounded badass too xD

but tbh, atheism at his heart is saying there is no God. "A" Latin for without ; Theism is also the proponent for God.

So by sheer definition an atheist is defined as without God.

Linguistics time!

By sheer etymology. I think you'll find the definition to be slightly different. ;D

I mean you could alter the initial interpretation but essentially it is widely held to that.

A sorrowful and common misunderstanding that led me - in part - to having this debate!

http://www.debate.org...
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2/7/2014 5:27:29 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/7/2014 5:25:58 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 2/7/2014 5:24:44 PM, MysticEgg wrote:
At 2/7/2014 5:16:51 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 2/7/2014 5:14:28 PM, MysticEgg wrote:
At 2/5/2014 11:01:57 PM, Mikal wrote:
I hate the term atheism, because it claims there is no God. This is even obvious with the root A (without). Would it be proper to call myself a New Atheist? Dealing in odds of probability. God "probably" does not exist. If so I wonder if I can alter Atheism to Novatheism or Nov ' a ' theism.


Well, I would say two things:

1) Atheism doesn't claim there is no God, although the gnostic atheism does.
2) Novatheism sounds awesome.

i thought novatheism sounded badass too xD

but tbh, atheism at his heart is saying there is no God. "A" Latin for without ; Theism is also the proponent for God.

So by sheer definition an atheist is defined as without God.

Linguistics time!

By sheer etymology. I think you'll find the definition to be slightly different. ;D

I mean you could alter the initial interpretation but essentially it is widely held to that.

A sorrowful and common misunderstanding that led me - in part - to having this debate!

http://www.debate.org...
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2/7/2014 5:29:32 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/7/2014 5:27:29 PM, MysticEgg wrote:
At 2/7/2014 5:25:58 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 2/7/2014 5:24:44 PM, MysticEgg wrote:
At 2/7/2014 5:16:51 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 2/7/2014 5:14:28 PM, MysticEgg wrote:
At 2/5/2014 11:01:57 PM, Mikal wrote:
I hate the term atheism, because it claims there is no God. This is even obvious with the root A (without). Would it be proper to call myself a New Atheist? Dealing in odds of probability. God "probably" does not exist. If so I wonder if I can alter Atheism to Novatheism or Nov ' a ' theism.


Well, I would say two things:

1) Atheism doesn't claim there is no God, although the gnostic atheism does.
2) Novatheism sounds awesome.

i thought novatheism sounded badass too xD

but tbh, atheism at his heart is saying there is no God. "A" Latin for without ; Theism is also the proponent for God.

So by sheer definition an atheist is defined as without God.

Linguistics time!

By sheer etymology. I think you'll find the definition to be slightly different. ;D

I mean you could alter the initial interpretation but essentially it is widely held to that.

A sorrowful and common misunderstanding that led me - in part - to having this debate!

http://www.debate.org...

ill bookmark that and read over it when i get the chance. Want to give me a brief rundown on your points?
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2/7/2014 5:31:08 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/7/2014 5:29:32 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 2/7/2014 5:27:29 PM, MysticEgg wrote:
At 2/7/2014 5:25:58 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 2/7/2014 5:24:44 PM, MysticEgg wrote:
At 2/7/2014 5:16:51 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 2/7/2014 5:14:28 PM, MysticEgg wrote:
At 2/5/2014 11:01:57 PM, Mikal wrote:
I hate the term atheism, because it claims there is no God. This is even obvious with the root A (without). Would it be proper to call myself a New Atheist? Dealing in odds of probability. God "probably" does not exist. If so I wonder if I can alter Atheism to Novatheism or Nov ' a ' theism.


Well, I would say two things:

1) Atheism doesn't claim there is no God, although the gnostic atheism does.
2) Novatheism sounds awesome.

i thought novatheism sounded badass too xD

but tbh, atheism at his heart is saying there is no God. "A" Latin for without ; Theism is also the proponent for God.

So by sheer definition an atheist is defined as without God.

Linguistics time!

By sheer etymology. I think you'll find the definition to be slightly different. ;D

I mean you could alter the initial interpretation but essentially it is widely held to that.

A sorrowful and common misunderstanding that led me - in part - to having this debate!

http://www.debate.org...

ill bookmark that and read over it when i get the chance. Want to give me a brief rundown on your points?

Essentially, semantics. I state:

[A]gnosticism is to do with the knowledge of claims; [a]theism is to do with the belief in said claims. So, while similar, they are not contradictory and, consequently, not mutually exclusive.