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Ragnar
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2/15/2014 7:15:42 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
A lot of members seem to struggle with issues of debates and formatting, so I figure maybe a few of us should share and discuss templates?
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Ragnar's Debate Template v1.
Section titles all underlined. Source quotes in italics. Opponent quotes in bold. Continuous source numbering. Square [brackets] mark author notes which should be deleted before using.

[R1: Assuming you start the debate]
Apply in comments. [this serves to decrease forfeits, as someone must login at least twice before accepting. It also helps advertise the debate, as more people will see it on the challenge page... To lock people from accepting, use the advanced options to set a specific age requirement people are unlikely to meet.]
Full Resolution:
[An expanded version of the title, to allow for specific presumptions in your argument, and special disclaimers, like: "Troll Debate: [title here,] presuming the validity of free will." With that disclaimers in place, the opponent will fail to shoot down the resolution if their argument hinges on no one having free will; since all your points based on that presumption will be in effect unchallenged.]

Structure:
R1 is acceptance. A brief introduction is fine, just not an argument with warrants.
No new argument lines or sources in final round.

Definitions (please request any changes or additions, before we begin):
From Merriam-Webster.com [No actual links to dictionaries are needed (stating which dictionary, and it being available is still essential), and using them can border on Source-Bombing.]
*Sample is "a small amount of something that is given to people to try."
*Debate is "a discussion between people in which they express different opinions about something."
[The indent feature is broken, but bullet points causes the same effect on this site; also useful for large quotes.]

Guidelines:
No attempts should be made to bypass character limits. A picture with a few words is fine, pictures of large text blocks are not.
Wikipedia is great for finding sources, but should rarely be a source itself.
Sources are worth almost as much as argument, and should take from the argument character limit; thus TinyURL (and others like it) should not be used. Sources should also be within argument rounds (and ideally consecutively numbered).
[If you like TinyURL, of course remove that bit.]

Voters:
If in doubt, please read the DDO article How To Vote for a very basic outline [COPY/PASTE will mutilate the URL, so double-check it each time]: http://www.debate.org...; (in essence each area should be voted on separately, someone can win argument but lose sources etcetera: merely liking one side only relates to "Who did you agree with before/after the debate?")
Successfully refuted sources should be discounted (at some cost to argument), turned sources should be very much in favor of whomever flipped them around.
The comment section is at most for side discussions (including between the debaters), and should have no barring on votes.
Finally cast your own vote or don't, but never fluff up an otherwise valid vote claiming something like its "voting and countering," or for any other reason add unwarranted points in to tie-break. Fluffing is for professionals, and should be left in their capable hands.

[R2:]
Topic Heading:
Your case, with sources [1].

Other Topic Heading:
Another angle to your case, if applicable [2].

Sources:
[1] http://www.notgooglesearch.com...
[2] http://www.howitshouldhaveended.com...

[Middle Rounds:]
Defense:
Why their rebuttals of your points are invalid.

Rebuttals:
"Quote from opponent."
Why it's wrong, and why any source is wrong or favoring you.
Further evidence against it [3].

"Another quote from opponent, hopefully catching them misspelling something"
See above. Also try to keep the context clear.

New Topic Heading:
If needed...

Sources:
[3] http://maddox.xmission.com...

[Final Round:]
Conclusion:
Summery of your points, and why they are still valid. While adding no new sources, citing back to previous still standing ones is a great idea [2]. If possible cite any source from your opponent that accidentally proves your case.

Voting Suggestions [if using, keep them very well reasoned and concise]:
CONDUCT: Tied, or obvious breech... It isn't a bad idea to admit your own errors on this.
S&G (spelling and grammar): Tied, unless someone started into Jar Jar speak (a grasp of English so poor that it distracted from arguments).
ARGUMENTS: Hopefully for you, unless conceding (in which case conduct should automatically be in your favor)...
SOURCES: Tied unless significant difference in quality/quantity, refresh the audience if you flipped any, or if your opponent did not challenge any of yours.
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bluesteel
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2/15/2014 7:36:02 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
lol @ hopefully catching them misspelling something

This is a great template, Ragnar. I wish more people followed it. Some debates are unreadable.

Did you talk about font size, consistency? I hate when people make their fonts too big or use different fonts because of copy/pasting in rich text from different sources.
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Ragnar
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2/15/2014 8:01:29 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I will be sure to add mention of that into v2. If in doubt I suggest size 3 (12pt), Times New Roman for everything.
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donald.keller
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2/16/2014 11:53:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I use this template:

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Outline:
Outlining what I have to do to win, and what my arguments will be. This will make the debate easier to read. In Premise I, I will show this, and in Premise II: I will show that. Then I'll prove so and so in Argument I, and so on... You don't need this every round.

Premise I:
Definitions for this premise are listed here. You just put down the definitions.

Now I show a factual concept that I will later use to base my case on. These are so you can store large amounts of facts. Only facts big enough that they would distract from the argument if put in there. Keeping the argument straight on track is key for easy reading.

Sources

Premise II:
Definitions here as well.. All definitions should be in the Premise sections.

More factual concepts to back up your arguments. Now not EVERYTHING can be backed up in the Premise. Only major concepts. Small concepts and facts will still be in your Arguments. That is why you will have sources down there too.

Sources.

Argument I:
No definitions. If you need to define something, it should be in your Premise. If you need to define something that doesn't fit in one of your Premises, you probably need another Premise. Arguments And Premises are quoted back to as A1, and P1, respectively. Or A2, and P2. If the quote in another round, just do this: R2-A1.

Sources.

Argument II:
Your next argument. Of course, for Rebuttals, you just name it Rebuttal instead of Argument. If you need to quote back to it, just say R3 A2. Keep Rebuttal I fixed on what Argument I was about. Don't mix up the system. Your arguments should be very much backed up with your Premises. You have sources each section for easy access. In a good debate, your Premises and Arguments will be big enough to look nice with sources every section.

Sources.

Conclusion: List of the other guys dropped cases and bad spelling here, and conclude that you are right.
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Of course, tell everyone that the Rebuttals are quoted back to as Arguments. Rebuttal II in Round 4 is R4-A2. Keep it clean and systematic. You can have Rebuttals and new Arguments in the same round.

The Outline is crucial for easy reading... It outlines where the person can find what, and what you need to accomplish to win. Your first and last round should have one.
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Ragnar
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2/18/2014 2:17:38 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/16/2014 11:53:33 PM, donald.keller wrote:
I use this template:

Pretty good. I like like the premise early bit, to be cited back to regularly to avoid having to reexplain terms throughout the debate.
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Krazzy_Player
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3/3/2014 12:27:16 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/15/2014 7:15:42 PM, Ragnar wrote:
A lot of members seem to struggle with issues of debates and formatting, so I figure maybe a few of us should share and discuss templates?
---
Ragnar's Debate Template v1.
Section titles all underlined. Source quotes in italics. Opponent quotes in bold. Continuous source numbering. Square [brackets] mark author notes which should be deleted before using.

[R1: Assuming you start the debate]
Apply in comments. [this serves to decrease forfeits, as someone must login at least twice before accepting. It also helps advertise the debate, as more people will see it on the challenge page... To lock people from accepting, use the advanced options to set a specific age requirement people are unlikely to meet.]
Full Resolution:
[An expanded version of the title, to allow for specific presumptions in your argument, and special disclaimers, like: "Troll Debate: [title here,] presuming the validity of free will." With that disclaimers in place, the opponent will fail to shoot down the resolution if their argument hinges on no one having free will; since all your points based on that presumption will be in effect unchallenged.]

Structure:
R1 is acceptance. A brief introduction is fine, just not an argument with warrants.
No new argument lines or sources in final round.

Definitions (please request any changes or additions, before we begin):
From Merriam-Webster.com [No actual links to dictionaries are needed (stating which dictionary, and it being available is still essential), and using them can border on Source-Bombing.]
*Sample is "a small amount of something that is given to people to try."
*Debate is "a discussion between people in which they express different opinions about something."
[The indent feature is broken, but bullet points causes the same effect on this site; also useful for large quotes.]

Guidelines:
No attempts should be made to bypass character limits. A picture with a few words is fine, pictures of large text blocks are not.
Wikipedia is great for finding sources, but should rarely be a source itself.
Sources are worth almost as much as argument, and should take from the argument character limit; thus TinyURL (and others like it) should not be used. Sources should also be within argument rounds (and ideally consecutively numbered).
[If you like TinyURL, of course remove that bit.]

Voters:
If in doubt, please read the DDO article How To Vote for a very basic outline [COPY/PASTE will mutilate the URL, so double-check it each time]: http://www.debate.org...; (in essence each area should be voted on separately, someone can win argument but lose sources etcetera: merely liking one side only relates to "Who did you agree with before/after the debate?")
Successfully refuted sources should be discounted (at some cost to argument), turned sources should be very much in favor of whomever flipped them around.
The comment section is at most for side discussions (including between the debaters), and should have no barring on votes.
Finally cast your own vote or don't, but never fluff up an otherwise valid vote claiming something like its "voting and countering," or for any other reason add unwarranted points in to tie-break. Fluffing is for professionals, and should be left in their capable hands.

[R2:]
Topic Heading:
Your case, with sources [1].

Other Topic Heading:
Another angle to your case, if applicable [2].

Sources:
[1] http://www.notgooglesearch.com...
[2] http://www.howitshouldhaveended.com...

[Middle Rounds:]
Defense:
Why their rebuttals of your points are invalid.

Rebuttals:
"Quote from opponent."
Why it's wrong, and why any source is wrong or favoring you.
Further evidence against it [3].

"Another quote from opponent, hopefully catching them misspelling something"
See above. Also try to keep the context clear.

New Topic Heading:
If needed...

Sources:
[3] http://maddox.xmission.com...

[Final Round:]
Conclusion:
Summery of your points, and why they are still valid. While adding no new sources, citing back to previous still standing ones is a great idea [2]. If possible cite any source from your opponent that accidentally proves your case.

Voting Suggestions [if using, keep them very well reasoned and concise]:
CONDUCT: Tied, or obvious breech... It isn't a bad idea to admit your own errors on this.
S&G (spelling and grammar): Tied, unless someone started into Jar Jar speak (a grasp of English so poor that it distracted from arguments).
ARGUMENTS: Hopefully for you, unless conceding (in which case conduct should automatically be in your favor)...
SOURCES: Tied unless significant difference in quality/quantity, refresh the audience if you flipped any, or if your opponent did not challenge any of yours.
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Thoughts?

Excellent, I'll try to follow this in my future debates to the best extent possible. I have a problem in formatting and usage of advance diction and syntax.
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3/5/2014 10:39:57 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Bump
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Ragnar
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4/29/2014 12:31:41 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I have refined it a bit, an update will be coming soon... Might end up being on a google doc as TUF suggested in another thread.

What pop-culture argument would people like to see inserted into a template for a sample of it in action? I'm thinking proof that your neighbor is a witch, based on empirical evidence such as her weighting the same as a duck.
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