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1/21/2010 7:50:37 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
TheLwerd admits to vote bombing and justifies it: "Second, the only reason I ‘vote bombed’ was in retaliation."

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Logical-Master
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1/21/2010 7:55:01 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
I think I'll post my rebuttal here as profile discussions are too restricted.

I used deductive reasoning to figure out who I thought v-bombed me (LM and you) time and time again based on who I thought I pissed off or whatever

What deductive reasoning? Enlighten me.

It seems I was 100% right about you and some others before your pussycatted out and changed your votes hehe but thank you, I appreciate it! Better late than never I always say.

Talk about believing what you wanna believe. :D I doubt mongeese changed his votes and know for fact that any vote I've made on any of your debates have remained static. Your more than free to try and prove me wrong though. How fortunate that these vote tabs list the date at which votes were last updated. ;)

Anyway I was never part of The Cleaners and I have always accepted and spoke out about how v-bombing was a natural part of this site."

What do you mean by "natural?" If it's anything which the cleaners were opposed to, I find that hard to believe. You yourself have complained about it on many occasions and have apparently been quick to retaliate against those whom you merely suspect of doing it.

But as you know, I have been bombed over and over and over again and it means little to me"

It means little to you, yet you feel inclined to retaliate via vote bombing? :/
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1/21/2010 8:01:57 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
what I thought was interesting was that she pretty much always throws down the big7

Then again I've never voted, so I've never had to make such decisions personally and have no record to back up my self righteous comments :)
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1/21/2010 9:30:38 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
What I don't understand is why Lwerd would go on such a revenge streak if she didn't care about this herself, or why she blocked wjm. Stuff just doesn't add up.
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1/21/2010 4:13:58 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/21/2010 9:30:38 AM, Volkov wrote:
What I don't understand is why Lwerd would go on such a revenge streak if she didn't care about this herself, or why she blocked wjm. Stuff just doesn't add up.

If you presume lwerd isn't a lying, hypocritical b*tch it doesn't add up. If you presume the contrary, it makes a lot of sense indeed.
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1/21/2010 4:15:18 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/21/2010 4:13:58 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
At 1/21/2010 9:30:38 AM, Volkov wrote:
What I don't understand is why Lwerd would go on such a revenge streak if she didn't care about this herself, or why she blocked wjm. Stuff just doesn't add up.

If you presume lwerd isn't a lying, hypocritical b*tch it doesn't add up. If you presume the contrary, it makes a lot of sense indeed.

QFMFT.
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1/21/2010 4:25:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/21/2010 8:01:57 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
what I thought was interesting was that she pretty much always throws down the big7

I generally vote 7. Other people's choice to use discretion in more accurately distributing the points is completely their choice; I don't see my actions as "vote bombing" one little bit. Last I checked, "vote bombing" meant something different.

Then again, I usually only vote when I think there's a really clear winner i.e. multiple forfeits, incoherent responses, epic win or similar.
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1/21/2010 4:31:53 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/21/2010 4:28:59 PM, wonderwoman wrote:
why is this a big deal? who honestly cares

Anyone with a bone of honesty or integrity in their body I'd presume. Or anybody who doesn't accept being lied or preached to by the only person actually guilty of her own accusations.
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1/21/2010 4:35:53 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/21/2010 4:28:59 PM, wonderwoman wrote:
why is this a big deal? who honestly cares

It's a part of the smear Lwerd campaign. Notice how she became the poster child of the "vote bombers" and everyone else (that they accused) is basically off the hook.
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1/21/2010 4:36:57 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Anyone with a bone of honesty or integrity in their body I'd presume. Or anybody who doesn't accept being lied or preached to by the only person actually guilty of her own accusations.

I say who gives a F*** whether she vote bombed or not. Does it actually matter? does it actually jump up and physically harm your? Is your pride so strong that you can't stand to lose a stupid debate over the internet? I mean serously. NO.ONE.CARES.

Get over it. If you feel it was wrong then let karma get to her.
But stop whining and crying over something stupid like this.
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1/21/2010 4:41:27 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/21/2010 4:36:57 PM, philosphical wrote:
I mean serously. NO.ONE.CARES.

I think what you really mean is, "I don't care." You are unjustifiedly extrapolating your views to the whole of humanity.

The backlash against this vote bombing isn't just about unjust voting. It's about injustice and dishonesty, which will not be tolerated. The reason that I care more about this than about most other vote bombers is because Lwerd is actually a real debater, and I respect her so I care when she does something dishonest.
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1/21/2010 4:43:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/21/2010 4:35:53 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 1/21/2010 4:28:59 PM, wonderwoman wrote:
why is this a big deal? who honestly cares

It's a part of the smear Lwerd campaign. Notice how she became the poster child of the "vote bombers" and everyone else (that they accused) is basically off the hook.

Errm... that's because Lwerd and Vi are clearly the only ones who have vote bombed at all, and everyone they accused is off the hook because, well, they never vote bombed in the first place.
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1/21/2010 4:43:55 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/21/2010 4:28:59 PM, wonderwoman wrote:
why is this a big deal? who honestly cares

Society is bound by honourable conduct. Or at least the pretense of it.
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1/21/2010 4:46:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/21/2010 4:36:57 PM, philosphical wrote:
Get over it. If you feel it was wrong then let karma get to her.

You serious?

But stop whining and crying over something stupid like this.

Who's whining and crying?

If your only goal on this site is to win, and not to have fun, then YOU HAVE PROBLEMS.

If you can't see past the fact that she's got a set of t*ts long enough to realise that Lwerd is in the wrong, and you can't objectively comment on such, YOU HAVE PROBLEMS.
"Let me tell you the truth. The truth is, 'what is'. And 'what should be' is a fantasy, a terrible terrible lie that someone gave to the people long ago. The 'what should be' never did exist, but people keep trying to live up to it. There is no 'what should be,' there is only what is." - Lenny Bruce

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1/21/2010 4:48:05 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
When people put a great deal of effort into their debates, is it really so shallow as to wish that your effort can at least be afforded with the simple acknowledgement of the victory that is due? When someone votes against you for the sole purpose of seeing you lose, not because you actually deserve a loss, but because they wish to see you (1) lose for their gain or (2) lose because they don't like you, how can you see this NOT as a problem. Moreover, when this person not only maliciously votes against you, but even gives you the common courtesy of lying directly to you about it, I imagine you may get upset (I know I would).

Now which of these people is of a lower moral integrity? The one being voted against or the one doing the voting? For those who are so obtuse as to be surprised that some people actually take pride in their work and do in fact LIKE to win on a debate site, I suggest you reevaluate your reasons for defending TheLwerds actions. Why in the world are you defending such hypocritically vindicative actions?
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1/21/2010 4:49:51 PM
Posted: 6 years ago

The backlash against this vote bombing isn't just about unjust voting. It's about injustice and dishonesty, which will not be tolerated.

Correction. This "injustice" will not be tolerated by you. Can't speak for humanity ;-)

The reason that I care more about this than about most other vote bombers is because Lwerd is actually a real debater, and I respect her so I care when she does something dishonest.

I just don't see how giving people crap about it is going to help it at all.
Whether she did or not, thats her own deal. Maybe both her and her girlfriend both conveniently disliked the same debates and voted conveniently the same? (very unlikely, but you never know.)
Either way, one of the priviliges of being on this site is being able to vote seven points. If she wants to vote "dis-honestly", then let her. That's her decision and all that will do is ruin others opinions of her and lose their respect for her. (which no one should really care about anyway.)
I just don't see what your trying to get out of her. To admit she's wrong? Why? What purpose does it suit you?
Just let her be.
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1/21/2010 4:51:03 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/21/2010 4:31:53 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
At 1/21/2010 4:28:59 PM, wonderwoman wrote:
why is this a big deal? who honestly cares

Anyone with a bone of honesty or integrity in their body I'd presume. Or anybody who doesn't accept being lied or preached to by the only person actually guilty of her own accusations.

I think this is why leet's mad:
Posted by leet4A1 2 hours ago
Lwerd: "Lee -- I voted before I read your request. I can always change it and erase my votes, but ironically enough you got more points than I did from my vote lol. I voted like this -- Before debate (Tie), After debate (Con), Conduct (Tie), Spelling and Grammar (Tie), Arguments (Pro) and Sources (Con) ... So even though I have all ties but 2 to me and 1 to you, because I gave you the vote for most convincing arguments, you're actually beating me... I'm the only one who voted and the score is 3-2. So! My voting actually helps you lol but I will refrain from voting if you want :)"

meanwhile she voted 7 against him lol
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1/21/2010 4:51:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/21/2010 4:43:52 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
At 1/21/2010 4:35:53 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 1/21/2010 4:28:59 PM, wonderwoman wrote:
why is this a big deal? who honestly cares

It's a part of the smear Lwerd campaign. Notice how she became the poster child of the "vote bombers" and everyone else (that they accused) is basically off the hook.

Errm... that's because Lwerd and Vi are clearly the only ones who have vote bombed at all, and everyone they accused is off the hook because, well, they never vote bombed in the first place.

Really? So everyone has been looked into as a full investigation? And the results are somewhere that show that these two are the main vote bombers?

I'll finish going through this weekend to see if people are voting 100% against or 100% for any individuals. Since that is the basis of Vi's vote bombing, she votes 100% for theLwerd, we must hold the same true for everyone, if you vote 100% for someone or 100% against someone (in the large scheme of things, not like 2/2, but if it is 16/16 or 0/16, that should suffice).
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1/21/2010 4:53:17 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/21/2010 4:48:05 PM, InquireTruth wrote:
When people put a great deal of effort into their debates, is it really so shallow as to wish that your effort can at least be afforded with the simple acknowledgement of the victory that is due? When someone votes against you for the sole purpose of seeing you lose, not because you actually deserve a loss, but because they wish to see you (1) lose for their gain or (2) lose because they don't like you, how can you see this NOT as a problem. Moreover, when this person not only maliciously votes against you, but even gives you the common courtesy of lying directly to you about it, I imagine you may get upset (I know I would).

Now which of these people is of a lower moral integrity? The one being voted against or the one doing the voting? For those who are so obtuse as to be surprised that some people actually take pride in their work and do in fact LIKE to win on a debate site, I suggest you reevaluate your reasons for defending TheLwerds actions. Why in the world are you defending such hypocritically vindicative actions?

Im not defending her. Im saying that there is just a whole lot of useless drama about essentially nothing. Phil gave us all the privilege of having 7 vote points, and whether we use them to vote dis-honestly or not, who cares. Unless you voting with like 5 accounts, it really isnt that big of a deal.
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1/21/2010 4:56:30 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
But stop whining and crying over something stupid like this.

Who's whining and crying?

Uh, you guys obviously.

If your only goal on this site is to win, and not to have fun, then YOU HAVE PROBLEMS.

If you can't see past the fact that she's got a set of t*ts long enough to realise that Lwerd is in the wrong, and you can't objectively comment on such, YOU HAVE PROBLEMS.

Dude I dont even like Lwerd. Im just saying you all need to clean out your VG's for a minute and stop crying over stupid stuff.

I don't have anything against you leet.
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1/21/2010 4:57:15 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/21/2010 4:53:17 PM, philosphical wrote:
At 1/21/2010 4:48:05 PM, InquireTruth wrote:
When people put a great deal of effort into their debates, is it really so shallow as to wish that your effort can at least be afforded with the simple acknowledgement of the victory that is due? When someone votes against you for the sole purpose of seeing you lose, not because you actually deserve a loss, but because they wish to see you (1) lose for their gain or (2) lose because they don't like you, how can you see this NOT as a problem. Moreover, when this person not only maliciously votes against you, but even gives you the common courtesy of lying directly to you about it, I imagine you may get upset (I know I would).

Now which of these people is of a lower moral integrity? The one being voted against or the one doing the voting? For those who are so obtuse as to be surprised that some people actually take pride in their work and do in fact LIKE to win on a debate site, I suggest you reevaluate your reasons for defending TheLwerds actions. Why in the world are you defending such hypocritically vindicative actions?


Im not defending her. Im saying that there is just a whole lot of useless drama about essentially nothing. Phil gave us all the privilege of having 7 vote points, and whether we use them to vote dis-honestly or not, who cares. Unless you voting with like 5 accounts, it really isnt that big of a deal.

Exactly, there were people that voted for Obama just because of who he is, not because of his policies (and same to John McCain), it happens in every election, sad but true. Even though they could be vote bombing, it is still their right to vote that way.
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1/21/2010 4:57:23 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/21/2010 4:51:03 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 1/21/2010 4:31:53 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
At 1/21/2010 4:28:59 PM, wonderwoman wrote:
why is this a big deal? who honestly cares

Anyone with a bone of honesty or integrity in their body I'd presume. Or anybody who doesn't accept being lied or preached to by the only person actually guilty of her own accusations.

I think this is why leet's mad:
Posted by leet4A1 2 hours ago
Lwerd: "Lee -- I voted before I read your request. I can always change it and erase my votes, but ironically enough you got more points than I did from my vote lol. I voted like this -- Before debate (Tie), After debate (Con), Conduct (Tie), Spelling and Grammar (Tie), Arguments (Pro) and Sources (Con) ... So even though I have all ties but 2 to me and 1 to you, because I gave you the vote for most convincing arguments, you're actually beating me... I'm the only one who voted and the score is 3-2. So! My voting actually helps you lol but I will refrain from voting if you want :)"

meanwhile she voted 7 against him lol

That's one reason I dislike her but not just because it's me she did it to. It's just a low way to go about things, and it wouldn't matter if it was me or Godsands she did it to, lying is lying, pathetic is pathetic.

I also just found out that when "theLwerd" became "Lwerd" for a brief period, she used that account to 7-vote her own debates. If nobody else can see a problem with this, that's fine, but I can't understand it for the life of me.
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1/21/2010 4:59:42 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/21/2010 4:56:30 PM, philosphical wrote:
But stop whining and crying over something stupid like this.

Who's whining and crying?

Uh, you guys obviously.

Well you can call it what you will, but I'll stick with "calling a spade a spade."

If your only goal on this site is to win, and not to have fun, then YOU HAVE PROBLEMS.

If you can't see past the fact that she's got a set of t*ts long enough to realise that Lwerd is in the wrong, and you can't objectively comment on such, YOU HAVE PROBLEMS.


Dude I dont even like Lwerd. Im just saying you all need to clean out your VG's for a minute and stop crying over stupid stuff.

As above.

I don't have anything against you leet.

Nor me you; you're as entitled to your opinions as I am.
"Let me tell you the truth. The truth is, 'what is'. And 'what should be' is a fantasy, a terrible terrible lie that someone gave to the people long ago. The 'what should be' never did exist, but people keep trying to live up to it. There is no 'what should be,' there is only what is." - Lenny Bruce

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1/21/2010 5:00:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
whether we use them to vote dis-honestly or not, who cares.

That's precisely my point. I imagine the person being dishonestly voted against cares. Especially when they were consoled of the contrary ("Oh no dear sire, I did not vote for myself, indeed, I voted for you," she lied). And there was a case where TheLwerd DID vote with both Lwerd and TheLwerd (that's two accounts, same person... how many does it take to be a vote-bomb?).
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1/21/2010 5:01:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/21/2010 4:49:51 PM, philosphical wrote:
Either way, one of the priviliges of being on this site is being able to vote seven points. If she wants to vote "dis-honestly", then let her. That's her decision and all that will do is ruin others opinions of her and lose their respect for her. (which no one should really care about anyway.)

One of the privileges of being alive is being able to stab people in the neck. If they want to, then let them. Don't throw them in jail.
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1/21/2010 5:07:11 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 1/21/2010 5:01:40 PM, MTGandP wrote:
At 1/21/2010 4:49:51 PM, philosphical wrote:
Either way, one of the priviliges of being on this site is being able to vote seven points. If she wants to vote "dis-honestly", then let her. That's her decision and all that will do is ruin others opinions of her and lose their respect for her. (which no one should really care about anyway.)

One of the privileges of being alive is being able to stab people in the neck. If they want to, then let them. Don't throw them in jail.

Right. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. And just because you do something, doesn't mean it's good. Hey, that rhymes. :)

What really gets me about all this is the fact that if it was Godsands or DAT or any of the disliked members who did this, they would have been absolutely called out about it by every single member. It's the double-standards that get me.
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1/21/2010 5:10:47 PM
Posted: 6 years ago

One of the privileges of being alive is being able to stab people in the neck. If they want to, then let them. Don't throw them in jail.

Well you do have the ability to stab them in the back. And there consequence for that would be to go to jail. But stabbing people in the back is a crime.
Voting all seven points against someone isn't.
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