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kbub
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2/24/2014 7:41:43 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
If you've been on this site a long time, you've probably been asked to vote on a debate by someone. No judgement: It seems to be the way debates gets votes.

That being said, it would be very useful to know if someone has been spamming people with requests.

In the interest of fairness, what if people wrote that they were asked by Pro or Con to vote on that particular debate? It wouldn't change their fairness of course, but it would be a great way of getting a handle on exactly what's happening behind the scenes.

I got this idea from a great debater who will go unnamed for now.

For example: what if we said " [Full Disclosure: I was asked to vote by Pro.]" at the end of our RFDs?

I think this would improve the fairness of the site dramatically, so people don't as often send requests all the time.

What do you think?
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2/24/2014 8:08:29 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I agree with this 10000%.
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2/24/2014 8:09:58 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/24/2014 7:41:43 PM, kbub wrote:
If you've been on this site a long time, you've probably been asked to vote on a debate by someone. No judgement: It seems to be the way debates gets votes.

That being said, it would be very useful to know if someone has been spamming people with requests.

In the interest of fairness, what if people wrote that they were asked by Pro or Con to vote on that particular debate? It wouldn't change their fairness of course, but it would be a great way of getting a handle on exactly what's happening behind the scenes.

I got this idea from a great debater who will go unnamed for now.

For example: what if we said " [Full Disclosure: I was asked to vote by Pro.]" at the end of our RFDs?

I think this would improve the fairness of the site dramatically, so people don't as often send requests all the time.

What do you think?

I don't really care, because even if someone was asked by someone else to vote, that doesn't mean that the vote a voter casts is necessarily biased.
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2/24/2014 8:11:07 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/24/2014 8:08:29 PM, phantom wrote:
I agree with this 10000%.

I'm just amazed when I see stupid RFD's written by even some ostensibly 'good' judges who don't seem to have a clue what's going on. I assume this is because they failed to read the debate before they voted.
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2/24/2014 9:22:24 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/24/2014 8:11:07 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 8:08:29 PM, phantom wrote:
I agree with this 10000%.

I'm just amazed when I see stupid RFD's written by even some ostensibly 'good' judges who don't seem to have a clue what's going on. I assume this is because they failed to read the debate before they voted.

You do realize I was the "unnamed voter" kbub is referencing right?
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2/24/2014 9:34:16 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/24/2014 9:22:24 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 8:11:07 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 8:08:29 PM, phantom wrote:
I agree with this 10000%.

I'm just amazed when I see stupid RFD's written by even some ostensibly 'good' judges who don't seem to have a clue what's going on. I assume this is because they failed to read the debate before they voted.

You do realize I was the "unnamed voter" kbub is referencing right?

I don't have a clue who the OP was talking about. I was talking about someone else.
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2/24/2014 9:35:14 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/24/2014 9:34:16 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:22:24 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 8:11:07 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 8:08:29 PM, phantom wrote:
I agree with this 10000%.

I'm just amazed when I see stupid RFD's written by even some ostensibly 'good' judges who don't seem to have a clue what's going on. I assume this is because they failed to read the debate before they voted.

You do realize I was the "unnamed voter" kbub is referencing right?

I don't have a clue who the OP was talking about. I was talking about someone else.

Awesome.
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2/24/2014 9:37:15 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/24/2014 7:41:43 PM, kbub wrote:
If you've been on this site a long time, you've probably been asked to vote on a debate by someone. No judgement: It seems to be the way debates gets votes.

That being said, it would be very useful to know if someone has been spamming people with requests.

In the interest of fairness, what if people wrote that they were asked by Pro or Con to vote on that particular debate? It wouldn't change their fairness of course, but it would be a great way of getting a handle on exactly what's happening behind the scenes.

I got this idea from a great debater who will go unnamed for now.

For example: what if we said " [Full Disclosure: I was asked to vote by Pro.]" at the end of our RFDs?

I think this would improve the fairness of the site dramatically, so people don't as often send requests all the time.

What do you think?

Makes sense, but it probably won't affect the outcome of the debate. I send vote requests occasionally, but never with the intent to have that person vote for me specifically.
I'm becoming less defined as days go by, fading away, and well you might say, I'm losing focus, kinda drifting into the abstract in terms of how I see myself.
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2/24/2014 9:37:38 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/24/2014 9:35:14 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:34:16 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:22:24 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 8:11:07 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 8:08:29 PM, phantom wrote:
I agree with this 10000%.

I'm just amazed when I see stupid RFD's written by even some ostensibly 'good' judges who don't seem to have a clue what's going on. I assume this is because they failed to read the debate before they voted.

You do realize I was the "unnamed voter" kbub is referencing right?

I don't have a clue who the OP was talking about. I was talking about someone else.

Awesome.

what did you do boo boo
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2/24/2014 9:39:23 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/24/2014 9:37:38 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:35:14 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:34:16 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:22:24 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 8:11:07 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 8:08:29 PM, phantom wrote:
I agree with this 10000%.

I'm just amazed when I see stupid RFD's written by even some ostensibly 'good' judges who don't seem to have a clue what's going on. I assume this is because they failed to read the debate before they voted.

You do realize I was the "unnamed voter" kbub is referencing right?

I don't have a clue who the OP was talking about. I was talking about someone else.

Awesome.

what did you do boo boo

I wrote: "[Full Disclosure: I was asked to vote by Pro.]" at the end of my RFD
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2/24/2014 9:39:29 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/24/2014 9:35:14 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:34:16 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:22:24 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 8:11:07 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 8:08:29 PM, phantom wrote:
I agree with this 10000%.

I'm just amazed when I see stupid RFD's written by even some ostensibly 'good' judges who don't seem to have a clue what's going on. I assume this is because they failed to read the debate before they voted.

You do realize I was the "unnamed voter" kbub is referencing right?

I don't have a clue who the OP was talking about. I was talking about someone else.

Awesome.

And you aren't the least bit curious who I'm talking about?
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2/24/2014 9:40:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/24/2014 9:39:29 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:35:14 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:34:16 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:22:24 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 8:11:07 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 8:08:29 PM, phantom wrote:
I agree with this 10000%.

I'm just amazed when I see stupid RFD's written by even some ostensibly 'good' judges who don't seem to have a clue what's going on. I assume this is because they failed to read the debate before they voted.

You do realize I was the "unnamed voter" kbub is referencing right?

I don't have a clue who the OP was talking about. I was talking about someone else.

Awesome.

And you aren't the least bit curious who I'm talking about?

I am. But I don't want to pry, unless you really do want to say, in which case...
Live Long and Prosper

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2/24/2014 9:41:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/24/2014 9:39:23 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:37:38 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:35:14 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:34:16 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:22:24 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 8:11:07 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 8:08:29 PM, phantom wrote:
I agree with this 10000%.

I'm just amazed when I see stupid RFD's written by even some ostensibly 'good' judges who don't seem to have a clue what's going on. I assume this is because they failed to read the debate before they voted.

You do realize I was the "unnamed voter" kbub is referencing right?

I don't have a clue who the OP was talking about. I was talking about someone else.

Awesome.

what did you do boo boo

I wrote: "[Full Disclosure: I was asked to vote by Pro.]" at the end of my RFD

Yep, that's right. I just didn't want to name you unless you wanted me to.
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2/24/2014 9:42:03 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/24/2014 9:41:31 PM, kbub wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:39:23 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:37:38 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:35:14 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:34:16 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:22:24 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 8:11:07 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 8:08:29 PM, phantom wrote:
I agree with this 10000%.

I'm just amazed when I see stupid RFD's written by even some ostensibly 'good' judges who don't seem to have a clue what's going on. I assume this is because they failed to read the debate before they voted.

You do realize I was the "unnamed voter" kbub is referencing right?

I don't have a clue who the OP was talking about. I was talking about someone else.

Awesome.

what did you do boo boo

I wrote: "[Full Disclosure: I was asked to vote by Pro.]" at the end of my RFD

Yep, that's right. I just didn't want to name you unless you wanted me to.

No--it's fine.
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2/24/2014 9:42:05 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/24/2014 9:39:23 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:37:38 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:35:14 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:34:16 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:22:24 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 8:11:07 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 8:08:29 PM, phantom wrote:
I agree with this 10000%.

I'm just amazed when I see stupid RFD's written by even some ostensibly 'good' judges who don't seem to have a clue what's going on. I assume this is because they failed to read the debate before they voted.

You do realize I was the "unnamed voter" kbub is referencing right?

I don't have a clue who the OP was talking about. I was talking about someone else.

Awesome.

what did you do boo boo

I wrote: "[Full Disclosure: I was asked to vote by Pro.]" at the end of my RFD

well alllllrighty then
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2/24/2014 10:00:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/24/2014 9:40:21 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:39:29 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:35:14 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:34:16 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:22:24 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 8:11:07 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 8:08:29 PM, phantom wrote:
I agree with this 10000%.

I'm just amazed when I see stupid RFD's written by even some ostensibly 'good' judges who don't seem to have a clue what's going on. I assume this is because they failed to read the debate before they voted.

You do realize I was the "unnamed voter" kbub is referencing right?

I don't have a clue who the OP was talking about. I was talking about someone else.

Awesome.

And you aren't the least bit curious who I'm talking about?

I am. But I don't want to pry, unless you really do want to say, in which case...

There are some good voters. There are a lot of bad ones. But hey, reading a debate is hard work... and I think most people just stop half-way.
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2/24/2014 10:01:19 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/24/2014 10:00:33 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:40:21 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:39:29 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:35:14 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:34:16 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:22:24 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 8:11:07 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 8:08:29 PM, phantom wrote:
I agree with this 10000%.

I'm just amazed when I see stupid RFD's written by even some ostensibly 'good' judges who don't seem to have a clue what's going on. I assume this is because they failed to read the debate before they voted.

You do realize I was the "unnamed voter" kbub is referencing right?

I don't have a clue who the OP was talking about. I was talking about someone else.

Awesome.

And you aren't the least bit curious who I'm talking about?

I am. But I don't want to pry, unless you really do want to say, in which case...

There are some good voters. There are a lot of bad ones. But hey, reading a debate is hard work... and I think most people just stop half-way.

... that's sad ...
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2/24/2014 10:04:56 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/24/2014 10:01:19 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 10:00:33 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:40:21 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:39:29 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:35:14 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:34:16 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:22:24 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 8:11:07 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 8:08:29 PM, phantom wrote:
I agree with this 10000%.

I'm just amazed when I see stupid RFD's written by even some ostensibly 'good' judges who don't seem to have a clue what's going on. I assume this is because they failed to read the debate before they voted.

You do realize I was the "unnamed voter" kbub is referencing right?

I don't have a clue who the OP was talking about. I was talking about someone else.

Awesome.

And you aren't the least bit curious who I'm talking about?

I am. But I don't want to pry, unless you really do want to say, in which case...

There are some good voters. There are a lot of bad ones. But hey, reading a debate is hard work... and I think most people just stop half-way.

... that's sad ...

It is, among other things.
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2/24/2014 10:17:55 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/24/2014 10:04:56 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 10:01:19 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 10:00:33 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:40:21 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:39:29 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:35:14 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:34:16 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:22:24 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 8:11:07 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 8:08:29 PM, phantom wrote:
I agree with this 10000%.

I'm just amazed when I see stupid RFD's written by even some ostensibly 'good' judges who don't seem to have a clue what's going on. I assume this is because they failed to read the debate before they voted.

You do realize I was the "unnamed voter" kbub is referencing right?

I don't have a clue who the OP was talking about. I was talking about someone else.

Awesome.

And you aren't the least bit curious who I'm talking about?

I am. But I don't want to pry, unless you really do want to say, in which case...

There are some good voters. There are a lot of bad ones. But hey, reading a debate is hard work... and I think most people just stop half-way.

... that's sad ...

It is, among other things.

BOOBOO
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2/24/2014 10:18:58 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
The point is not that asking for votes is bad, or that asking for votes means asking for votes in your favor. Asking for votes is usually fine; I do it sometimes. This idea just helps eliminate the skewed voting that might happen sometimes because of it. The way I see it, the "full disclosure" idea helps in two ways. One, it will facilitate neutral request making and deters debaters from making questionable requests, such as only to good friends, people who agree with them, or bad voters who might easily be biased for the simple fact that one of the debaters asked them to vote. And two, it deters voters from making bias votes. I'm fairly convinced that asking for votes often creates a good chance of bias, regardless of whether both sides are averse to it happening. Let's be realistic, fair judging is fair too uncommon on DDO. It's much easier to think of great debaters and forum posters than it is voters. The bias may not always weigh in, but it may still have the potential. For example, if someone was otherwise fairly undecided on who they would vote for, the fact that one of the debaters asked him to vote might sway him that way.
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2/24/2014 10:36:30 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/24/2014 10:18:58 PM, phantom wrote:
The point is not that asking for votes is bad, or that asking for votes means asking for votes in your favor.

You are correct so far.

Asking for votes is usually fine; I do it sometimes.

We all do.

This idea just helps eliminate the skewed voting that might happen sometimes because of it.

Skewed, how? Provide me with examples. And even if a vote is "skewed" or whatever that means, isn't your immediate remedy to ask someone better to vote on it?

The way I see it, the "full disclosure" idea helps in two ways. One, it will facilitate neutral request making and deters debaters from making questionable requests, such as only to good friends, people who agree with them, or bad voters who might easily be biased for the simple fact that one of the debaters asked them to vote.

Not really, because the request was already neutral if a debater asks a voter with integrity to vote. The problem is not who asked who do do what. The problem is that many voters are bad voters, because they vote for the wrong reasons.

And two, it deters voters from making bias votes.

All votes are biased, because we cannot completely divest ourselves of our perspectives when voting. And indeed, the very act of voting is an exercise in bias -in that it entails the proffering of a subjective perspective. All we can ask is that voters make an earnest effort to vote as fairly as possible.

I'm fairly convinced that asking for votes often creates a good chance of bias, regardless of whether both sides are averse to it happening. Let's be realistic, fair judging is fair too uncommon on DDO.

I'm fairly convinced that the biggest problem is people failing to read and understand debates, and that bias is only a secondary problem, if a problem at all. And there are a few good judges.

It's much easier to think of great debaters and forum posters than it is voters.

Not really. The good posters are often also the best voters. Bladerunner, Bsh1, Thett3, Airmax (when he can), and the list goes on.

The bias may not always weigh in, but it may still have the potential. For example, if someone was otherwise fairly undecided on who they would vote for, the fact that one of the debaters asked him to vote might sway him that way.

Not sure about that... It sound's like you're trying to fix something that isn't broken.
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2/24/2014 10:45:48 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/24/2014 10:17:55 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 2/24/2014 10:04:56 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 10:01:19 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 10:00:33 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:40:21 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:39:29 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:35:14 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:34:16 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 9:22:24 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/24/2014 8:11:07 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/24/2014 8:08:29 PM, phantom wrote:
I agree with this 10000%.

I'm just amazed when I see stupid RFD's written by even some ostensibly 'good' judges who don't seem to have a clue what's going on. I assume this is because they failed to read the debate before they voted.

You do realize I was the "unnamed voter" kbub is referencing right?

I don't have a clue who the OP was talking about. I was talking about someone else.

Awesome.

And you aren't the least bit curious who I'm talking about?

I am. But I don't want to pry, unless you really do want to say, in which case...

There are some good voters. There are a lot of bad ones. But hey, reading a debate is hard work... and I think most people just stop half-way.

... that's sad ...

It is, among other things.

BOOBOO

I know.
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2/25/2014 2:29:15 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I asked kbub to Vote for my debate once just because I found her vote cast was brilliant and she'll give proper RFD also enabling to analyse my mistake. I also ask members to vote, It doesn't mean I demand vote for me or ask them to be bias. Also I ask members to vote if it is unvoted.
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2/25/2014 6:34:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I would start voting again if I didn't have to debate my vote
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

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2/28/2014 5:39:46 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Somewhat related to this concept (of saying in the RFD who asked you to vote) - I think if you are going to argue someone's vote with them (which I think is wrong in the first place, but whatevs), then you should do it in the comments section of the debate, not via PM, cuz then you really are trying to pull a fast one on your opponent by arguing for more points in a forum he or she cannot respond to.

Based on the comments from this debate: http://www.debate.org...

arguing for more points via PM seems to have become a standard practice. In the past, people used to do it via Comments section and were often rebuked for it by other users.

What are your thoughts on both? Arguing for more points after the debate is over? If so, arguing via PM or in a public forum?
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2/28/2014 11:40:17 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/28/2014 5:39:46 PM, bluesteel wrote:
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What are your thoughts on both? Arguing for more points after the debate is over? If so, arguing via PM or in a public forum?

I would like for it to be a bannable offense to argue with voters or request points for yourself while the Voting Period is in session.

In fact, I made a huge thread about this a few weeks ago that had over 100 replies. But the people spoke, and the majority overwhelmingly supported arguing with voters.

So if my opponent can take advantage of this, I won't restrain myself either.
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2/28/2014 11:57:30 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/28/2014 11:40:17 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 2/28/2014 5:39:46 PM, bluesteel wrote:
( ... )
What are your thoughts on both? Arguing for more points after the debate is over? If so, arguing via PM or in a public forum?

I would like for it to be a bannable offense to argue with voters or request points for yourself while the Voting Period is in session.

In fact, I made a huge thread about this a few weeks ago that had over 100 replies. But the people spoke, and the majority overwhelmingly supported arguing with voters.

So if my opponent can take advantage of this, I won't restrain myself either.

If you really think it's that bad, you shouldn't do it yourself. At least I don't.

I respect that you tried in the past to change things. But given that each opponent is different and it's not something I do, that line of reasoning is kind of a non-starter. I personally think that this is something that can be changed by simply asking people to stop on a case by case basis.

I take conduct if someone argues my vote too vehemently or sketchily when I'm a judge.
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3/1/2014 12:00:48 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/28/2014 11:57:30 PM, bluesteel wrote:
At 2/28/2014 11:40:17 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 2/28/2014 5:39:46 PM, bluesteel wrote:
( ... )
What are your thoughts on both? Arguing for more points after the debate is over? If so, arguing via PM or in a public forum?

I would like for it to be a bannable offense to argue with voters or request points for yourself while the Voting Period is in session.

In fact, I made a huge thread about this a few weeks ago that had over 100 replies. But the people spoke, and the majority overwhelmingly supported arguing with voters.

So if my opponent can take advantage of this, I won't restrain myself either.

If you really think it's that bad, you shouldn't do it yourself. At least I don't.

I respect that you tried in the past to change things. But given that each opponent is different and it's not something I do

If I ever debate you again, I'll remember that =)

I take conduct if someone argues my vote too vehemently or sketchily when I'm a judge.

Once, I messaged a voter who had voted against me (different debate a while back). I told him thanks for voting. He updated his vote a couple minutes later and gave me the conduct point. I didn't contest it... does that make me a bad person? >.<
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3/1/2014 12:02:55 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/1/2014 12:00:48 AM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:

If I ever debate you again, I'll remember that =)

I take conduct if someone argues my vote too vehemently or sketchily when I'm a judge.

Once, I messaged a voter who had voted against me (different debate a while back). I told him thanks for voting. He updated his vote a couple minutes later and gave me the conduct point. I didn't contest it... does that make me a bad person? >.<

haha, no. showing respect in the face of someone voting against you may be conduct worthy. that is highly admirable.
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3/1/2014 12:05:22 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/1/2014 12:02:55 AM, bluesteel wrote:
At 3/1/2014 12:00:48 AM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:

If I ever debate you again, I'll remember that =)

I take conduct if someone argues my vote too vehemently or sketchily when I'm a judge.

Once, I messaged a voter who had voted against me (different debate a while back). I told him thanks for voting. He updated his vote a couple minutes later and gave me the conduct point. I didn't contest it... does that make me a bad person? >.<

haha, no. showing respect in the face of someone voting against you may be conduct worthy. that is highly admirable.

=D

I'd just like to point out that if anyone reading this gets a personalized thank-you message for voting on my debate, and you voted against me, I'm not trying to get you to give me a conduct point. =D =D =D
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