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dtaylor971
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3/17/2014 2:33:18 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
No, my dog didn't die. But DDO sure as hell may have. It has become very clear that all Juggle really cares about is revenue (like any site) and not about the quality. This has led to a series of events that seriously diminished DDO.

First, we are having these "out of memory" issues. They are highly annoying and can stop us from using DDO for hours at a time. Instead of this being Juggle's first priority to fix this, it has gone on for weeks. Now the DDO Official has to put an end to it. This has obviously angered many members (take CP, for one) and led them to decreased time.

Then Juggle got this WONDERFUL idea to implement ads, even though DDO was doing just fine before that. This was obviously Juggle putting money first and trying to score off of a site. If that wasn't enough, the ads pretty much mirrored my web searches and made me feel like I had a lack of privacy. For example, I played Democracy 3 after imabench told us about it, and now I'm getting ads for Democracy 3.

And then things really went to deep hell. The traffic of DDO became thicker and thicker and erased any shred of quality the polls and opinions section had. Now, instead of being every section being one, we are split into two. YYW proposed the idea the polls and opinions be a different part than the debates and the forums, and I'm sure a lot of you agree. Go take a look at the polls section.

Once all hell broke loose, the debates started to spiral out of control. When I first came here, the first debate I saw on the homepage was a debate that one experienced member and another was participating through (I forget which ones.) Then I saw imabench troll the living hell out of someone else with his "why do you masturbate with tweezers?" debate. Now, the debates section is littered with forfeits. Some members are so pissed off about this that they make debates impossible to accept for days at a time, waiting for one experienced member to even show some hope of accepting.

Of course, all of the above leads to an effect on the forums. Once a very experienced member starts to post a bad thread about DDO, you know you're in hot water. Once two do, you know you need to do something. So, what should we do? Can we do anything?
"I don't know why gays want to marry, I have spent the last 25 years wishing I wasn't allowed to." -Sadolite
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3/17/2014 2:41:24 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/17/2014 2:40:06 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
Either make them realize they've ruined their product and hope they fix it or advocate a mass emigration to make a point.

With DDO on the back burner, I think a mass migration would prove a better point than just telling them to get off of their lazy a$$es and fix it.
"I don't know why gays want to marry, I have spent the last 25 years wishing I wasn't allowed to." -Sadolite
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3/17/2014 2:42:28 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/17/2014 2:41:24 PM, dtaylor971 wrote:
At 3/17/2014 2:40:06 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
Either make them realize they've ruined their product and hope they fix it or advocate a mass emigration to make a point.

With DDO on the back burner, I think a mass migration would prove a better point than just telling them to get off of their lazy a$$es and fix it.

They won't. They've accomplished what they wanted. They wanted DDO to turn into a high traffic, ad/spam filled cesspool.
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3/17/2014 2:43:42 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/17/2014 2:42:28 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/17/2014 2:41:24 PM, dtaylor971 wrote:
At 3/17/2014 2:40:06 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
Either make them realize they've ruined their product and hope they fix it or advocate a mass emigration to make a point.

With DDO on the back burner, I think a mass migration would prove a better point than just telling them to get off of their lazy a$$es and fix it.

They won't. They've accomplished what they wanted. They wanted DDO to turn into a high traffic, ad/spam filled cesspool.

Then let's migrate to edeb8.
"I don't know why gays want to marry, I have spent the last 25 years wishing I wasn't allowed to." -Sadolite
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3/17/2014 2:44:13 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/17/2014 2:43:42 PM, dtaylor971 wrote:
At 3/17/2014 2:42:28 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/17/2014 2:41:24 PM, dtaylor971 wrote:
At 3/17/2014 2:40:06 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
Either make them realize they've ruined their product and hope they fix it or advocate a mass emigration to make a point.

With DDO on the back burner, I think a mass migration would prove a better point than just telling them to get off of their lazy a$$es and fix it.

They won't. They've accomplished what they wanted. They wanted DDO to turn into a high traffic, ad/spam filled cesspool.

Then let's migrate to edeb8.

I'm already over there. Starting today I'm slowing going to be moving my time spent to edeb8 as well as DDO.
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3/17/2014 3:43:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/17/2014 2:43:42 PM, dtaylor971 wrote:
At 3/17/2014 2:42:28 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/17/2014 2:41:24 PM, dtaylor971 wrote:
At 3/17/2014 2:40:06 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
Either make them realize they've ruined their product and hope they fix it or advocate a mass emigration to make a point.

With DDO on the back burner, I think a mass migration would prove a better point than just telling them to get off of their lazy a$$es and fix it.

They won't. They've accomplished what they wanted. They wanted DDO to turn into a high traffic, ad/spam filled cesspool.

Then let's migrate to edeb8.

Welcome to the Edeb8 revolution!
"Don't click on my profile. Don't send me friend requests. Don't read my debates. There are many interesting people on DDO. Find one of them. Go find someone exciting and loquacious. Go click on their profile. Go send them friend requests. Go read their debates. Leave me alone." -Tophatdoc
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3/17/2014 3:50:48 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/17/2014 3:43:25 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/17/2014 2:43:42 PM, dtaylor971 wrote:
At 3/17/2014 2:42:28 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/17/2014 2:41:24 PM, dtaylor971 wrote:
At 3/17/2014 2:40:06 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
Either make them realize they've ruined their product and hope they fix it or advocate a mass emigration to make a point.

With DDO on the back burner, I think a mass migration would prove a better point than just telling them to get off of their lazy a$$es and fix it.

They won't. They've accomplished what they wanted. They wanted DDO to turn into a high traffic, ad/spam filled cesspool.

Then let's migrate to edeb8.

Welcome to the Edeb8 revolution!

Let's make an exodus to rival the AnCap exodus of lore.
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3/17/2014 4:00:02 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/17/2014 3:50:48 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:

Let's make an exodus to rival the AnCap exodus of lore.

This Ancap exodus?

http://ddo.wikia.com...

After I finish my debates this week; I may be done with this site because I have arrived at the same conclusion as you. I will admit, I was skeptical when Larz said Edeb8 was better than DDO but I think it is after checking the site out. It just lacks the members and community.
"Don't click on my profile. Don't send me friend requests. Don't read my debates. There are many interesting people on DDO. Find one of them. Go find someone exciting and loquacious. Go click on their profile. Go send them friend requests. Go read their debates. Leave me alone." -Tophatdoc
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3/17/2014 4:01:40 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/17/2014 4:00:02 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/17/2014 3:50:48 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:

Let's make an exodus to rival the AnCap exodus of lore.

This Ancap exodus?

http://ddo.wikia.com...

After I finish my debates this week; I may be done with this site because I have arrived at the same conclusion as you. I will admit, I was skeptical when Larz said Edeb8 was better than DDO but I think it is after checking the site out. It just lacks the members and community.

Yes that one. A few key members of the community left and the site has never forgotten it. If we do the same, get the right people and right number of people to publicly leave, it'd make a statement.
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3/17/2014 4:07:01 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/17/2014 4:01:40 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/17/2014 4:00:02 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/17/2014 3:50:48 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:

Let's make an exodus to rival the AnCap exodus of lore.

This Ancap exodus?

http://ddo.wikia.com...

After I finish my debates this week; I may be done with this site because I have arrived at the same conclusion as you. I will admit, I was skeptical when Larz said Edeb8 was better than DDO but I think it is after checking the site out. It just lacks the members and community.

Yes that one. A few key members of the community left and the site has never forgotten it. If we do the same, get the right people and right number of people to publicly leave, it'd make a statement.

Set up a large PM and lets see if we can get it to happen. I am very interested.
"Don't click on my profile. Don't send me friend requests. Don't read my debates. There are many interesting people on DDO. Find one of them. Go find someone exciting and loquacious. Go click on their profile. Go send them friend requests. Go read their debates. Leave me alone." -Tophatdoc
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3/17/2014 4:07:46 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/17/2014 4:07:01 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/17/2014 4:01:40 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/17/2014 4:00:02 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/17/2014 3:50:48 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:

Let's make an exodus to rival the AnCap exodus of lore.

This Ancap exodus?

http://ddo.wikia.com...

After I finish my debates this week; I may be done with this site because I have arrived at the same conclusion as you. I will admit, I was skeptical when Larz said Edeb8 was better than DDO but I think it is after checking the site out. It just lacks the members and community.

Yes that one. A few key members of the community left and the site has never forgotten it. If we do the same, get the right people and right number of people to publicly leave, it'd make a statement.

Set up a large PM and lets see if we can get it to happen. I am very interested.

Alright, I'll tap some members who I think might be interested.
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3/17/2014 4:11:09 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/17/2014 4:07:46 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:

Alright, I'll tap some members who I think might be interested.

This should be larger than the Ancap exodus too! Far greater!
"Don't click on my profile. Don't send me friend requests. Don't read my debates. There are many interesting people on DDO. Find one of them. Go find someone exciting and loquacious. Go click on their profile. Go send them friend requests. Go read their debates. Leave me alone." -Tophatdoc
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3/17/2014 4:20:54 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/17/2014 4:11:09 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/17/2014 4:07:46 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:

Alright, I'll tap some members who I think might be interested.

This should be larger than the Ancap exodus too! Far greater!

I sent the message out, if you feel like there are more people who might be interested in this, get the word out.
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3/17/2014 4:24:13 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Come on, people! DDO is a great site! I've checked out Edeb8, and it doesn't look all that great. It looks like the website graphics were last updated in 2003, and they probably don't have the Weekly Stupid, jokes about the DDO Elite, Drama Farm, Mafia games, etc.
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3/17/2014 4:25:03 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/17/2014 4:24:13 PM, bubbatheclown wrote:
Come on, people! DDO is a great site! I've checked out Edeb8, and it doesn't look all that great. It looks like the website graphics were last updated in 2003, and they probably don't have the Weekly Stupid, jokes about the DDO Elite, Drama Farm, Mafia games, etc.

So unless DDO starts demanding a user fee, I'm staying right here.
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3/17/2014 4:25:13 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/17/2014 4:24:13 PM, bubbatheclown wrote:
Come on, people! DDO is a great site! I've checked out Edeb8, and it doesn't look all that great. It looks like the website graphics were last updated in 2003, and they probably don't have the Weekly Stupid, jokes about the DDO Elite, Drama Farm, Mafia games, etc.

Yes, let's judge a website based on aesthetics.
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3/17/2014 4:30:02 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/17/2014 3:50:48 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/17/2014 3:43:25 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 3/17/2014 2:43:42 PM, dtaylor971 wrote:
At 3/17/2014 2:42:28 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/17/2014 2:41:24 PM, dtaylor971 wrote:
At 3/17/2014 2:40:06 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
Either make them realize they've ruined their product and hope they fix it or advocate a mass emigration to make a point.

With DDO on the back burner, I think a mass migration would prove a better point than just telling them to get off of their lazy a$$es and fix it.

They won't. They've accomplished what they wanted. They wanted DDO to turn into a high traffic, ad/spam filled cesspool.

Then let's migrate to edeb8.

Welcome to the Edeb8 revolution!

Let's make an exodus to rival the AnCap exodus of lore.

Long live Larz the Admin!
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3/17/2014 4:32:51 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Traitor! I just saw Nightofthelivingcats on Edeb8! By the way, on a second glance I take back what I said about Edeb8's graphics.
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3/17/2014 4:46:19 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/17/2014 4:32:51 PM, bubbatheclown wrote:
Traitor! I just saw Nightofthelivingcats on Edeb8! By the way, on a second glance I take back what I said about Edeb8's graphics.

All I'm asking is for people to try it out. It's really a good site. All it needs is users to fill it up more.

And I love the Instant messaging feature. Totally killer.
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3/17/2014 4:57:17 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
What the heck?!
KingDebater, Bsh1, Ore Ele, and JonBonBon all have accounts on Edeb8! Somebody even offered to make an Edeb8 Weekly Stupid!
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3/17/2014 5:01:37 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/17/2014 4:57:17 PM, bubbatheclown wrote:
What the heck?!
KingDebater, Bsh1, Ore Ele, and JonBonBon all have accounts on Edeb8! Somebody even offered to make an Edeb8 Weekly Stupid!

It's growing. I tried to tell you guys lol
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3/17/2014 5:02:03 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/17/2014 4:57:17 PM, bubbatheclown wrote:
What the heck?!
KingDebater, Bsh1, Ore Ele, and JonBonBon all have accounts on Edeb8! Somebody even offered to make an Edeb8 Weekly Stupid!

And I'm making one too.
"I don't know why gays want to marry, I have spent the last 25 years wishing I wasn't allowed to." -Sadolite
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3/17/2014 5:06:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/17/2014 5:02:03 PM, dtaylor971 wrote:
At 3/17/2014 4:57:17 PM, bubbatheclown wrote:
What the heck?!
KingDebater, Bsh1, Ore Ele, and JonBonBon all have accounts on Edeb8! Somebody even offered to make an Edeb8 Weekly Stupid!

And I'm making one too.
"I don't know why gays want to marry, I have spent the last 25 years wishing I wasn't allowed to." -Sadolite
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3/17/2014 5:24:42 PM
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At 3/17/2014 4:57:17 PM, bubbatheclown wrote:
What the heck?!
KingDebater, Bsh1, Ore Ele, and JonBonBon all have accounts on Edeb8! Somebody even offered to make an Edeb8 Weekly Stupid!

Edeb8 has a lot of features DDO doesn't which gives it a lot more potental. Team debates, ect. However, DDO beats edeb8 in the number of active people on there.
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3/17/2014 5:26:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/17/2014 4:57:17 PM, bubbatheclown wrote:
What the heck?!
KingDebater, Bsh1, Ore Ele, and JonBonBon all have accounts on Edeb8! Somebody even offered to make an Edeb8 Weekly Stupid!

THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???
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3/17/2014 5:28:29 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/17/2014 5:24:42 PM, Magic8000 wrote:
At 3/17/2014 4:57:17 PM, bubbatheclown wrote:
What the heck?!
KingDebater, Bsh1, Ore Ele, and JonBonBon all have accounts on Edeb8! Somebody even offered to make an Edeb8 Weekly Stupid!

Edeb8 has a lot of features DDO doesn't which gives it a lot more potental. Team debates, ect. However, DDO beats edeb8 in the number of active people on there.

That's easily remedied! Well maybe not easily but if people trickle on over there it'll grow.
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3/17/2014 5:31:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/17/2014 5:28:29 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/17/2014 5:24:42 PM, Magic8000 wrote:
At 3/17/2014 4:57:17 PM, bubbatheclown wrote:
What the heck?!
KingDebater, Bsh1, Ore Ele, and JonBonBon all have accounts on Edeb8! Somebody even offered to make an Edeb8 Weekly Stupid!

Edeb8 has a lot of features DDO doesn't which gives it a lot more potental. Team debates, ect. However, DDO beats edeb8 in the number of active people on there.

That's easily remedied! Well maybe not easily but if people trickle on over there it'll grow.

Yes. I have tried being an active member on there when it was only 3 other really active users. A little difficult, but I do hope edeb8 will be as big as DDO one day soon.
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3/17/2014 5:35:50 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/17/2014 5:32:36 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Am I the only one that doesn't have a problem with DDO right now?

no im in the same boat with you
Kevin24018 : "He's just so mean it makes me want to ball up my fists and stamp on the ground"
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