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4/7/2014 10:22:02 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
In a couple of weeks we are launching an update to the site that will focus on the debates section, more specifically, voting.

We are planning on expanding the "Voting Options" for debates. The goal of these new options is to give debaters the opportunity to determine what voting style they wish to employ for their debates. Here is a basic outline of what we are working on.

The Voting Options you can configure on a debate would consist of the following:

EXISTING FEATURES
1.Voting Period Length
2.Vote Comments (On or Off)

NEW FEATURES
Voting Style
Open Voting - within open voting members would have two options for configuration

1) Point System - either current 7 point system OR a simple "choose winner" option (both would still have RFDs)
2) Eligible Voters - either leave it open to all eligible voters OR select an ELO floor that voters must have to vote on the debate (all other prerequisites for being eligible to vote would still apply)

Judge Voting - select up to 10 hand-picked judges to vote on a debate, leaving voting closed to all other users

1) Instigator selects judges. The opponent when accepting the challenge, has to also accept the nominated judges.
2) Nominated judges would have to accept in order to judge the debate
3) Point System - either current 7 point system OR a simple "choose winner" option (both would still have RFDs)
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

With adding a new judge voting option, we are creating a "leaderboard" that would list out the members who have judged the most debates and the percentage of times they have selected the winner of the debate. This would provide newer members an opportunity to figure out who experienced judges may be to nominate.

We will also be making a few other changes:

- Making sure that forfeited debates no longer show in any of the "Voting Period" debate filters
- Expanding the gender options for member profiles

As always, we will also be rolling in a few bug fixes that have been reported or are known issues.

Lastly, thanks to thett3, TUF, Ore_Ele, and CP for their feedback on the voting options and helping us come up with something that we feel is a good compromise and provides a lot of flexibility.

The exact release date is still being determined, but it will be within the next 2-3 weeks. We will keep you updated as we set a target date.
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4/7/2014 10:43:19 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/7/2014 10:22:02 AM, Debate.org_Official wrote:
In a couple of weeks we are launching an update to the site that will focus on the debates section, more specifically, voting.

We are planning on expanding the "Voting Options" for debates. The goal of these new options is to give debaters the opportunity to determine what voting style they wish to employ for their debates. Here is a basic outline of what we are working on.

The Voting Options you can configure on a debate would consist of the following:

EXISTING FEATURES
1.Voting Period Length
2.Vote Comments (On or Off)

NEW FEATURES
Voting Style
Open Voting - within open voting members would have two options for configuration

1) Point System - either current 7 point system OR a simple "choose winner" option (both would still have RFDs)
2) Eligible Voters - either leave it open to all eligible voters OR select an ELO floor that voters must have to vote on the debate (all other prerequisites for being eligible to vote would still apply)

Judge Voting - select up to 10 hand-picked judges to vote on a debate, leaving voting closed to all other users

1) Instigator selects judges. The opponent when accepting the challenge, has to also accept the nominated judges.
2) Nominated judges would have to accept in order to judge the debate
3) Point System - either current 7 point system OR a simple "choose winner" option (both would still have RFDs)
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

With adding a new judge voting option, we are creating a "leaderboard" that would list out the members who have judged the most debates and the percentage of times they have selected the winner of the debate. This would provide newer members an opportunity to figure out who experienced judges may be to nominate.

We will also be making a few other changes:

- Making sure that forfeited debates no longer show in any of the "Voting Period" debate filters
- Expanding the gender options for member profiles

As always, we will also be rolling in a few bug fixes that have been reported or are known issues.

Lastly, thanks to thett3, TUF, Ore_Ele, and CP for their feedback on the voting options and helping us come up with something that we feel is a good compromise and provides a lot of flexibility.

The exact release date is still being determined, but it will be within the next 2-3 weeks. We will keep you updated as we set a target date.

Woot!
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4/7/2014 10:49:34 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
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Go vote on one of my debates. I'm not that smart, so it'll probably be an easy decision.

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4/7/2014 10:56:18 AM
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Nice!
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4/7/2014 10:57:14 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/7/2014 10:22:02 AM, Debate.org_Official wrote:
In a couple of weeks we are launching an update to the site that will focus on the debates section, more specifically, voting.

We are planning on expanding the "Voting Options" for debates. The goal of these new options is to give debaters the opportunity to determine what voting style they wish to employ for their debates. Here is a basic outline of what we are working on.

The Voting Options you can configure on a debate would consist of the following:

EXISTING FEATURES
1.Voting Period Length
2.Vote Comments (On or Off)

NEW FEATURES
Voting Style
Open Voting - within open voting members would have two options for configuration

1) Point System - either current 7 point system OR a simple "choose winner" option (both would still have RFDs)
2) Eligible Voters - either leave it open to all eligible voters OR select an ELO floor that voters must have to vote on the debate (all other prerequisites for being eligible to vote would still apply)

Judge Voting - select up to 10 hand-picked judges to vote on a debate, leaving voting closed to all other users

1) Instigator selects judges. The opponent when accepting the challenge, has to also accept the nominated judges.
2) Nominated judges would have to accept in order to judge the debate
3) Point System - either current 7 point system OR a simple "choose winner" option (both would still have RFDs)
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

With adding a new judge voting option, we are creating a "leaderboard" that would list out the members who have judged the most debates and the percentage of times they have selected the winner of the debate. This would provide newer members an opportunity to figure out who experienced judges may be to nominate.

We will also be making a few other changes:

- Making sure that forfeited debates no longer show in any of the "Voting Period" debate filters
- Expanding the gender options for member profiles

As always, we will also be rolling in a few bug fixes that have been reported or are known issues.

Lastly, thanks to thett3, TUF, Ore_Ele, and CP for their feedback on the voting options and helping us come up with something that we feel is a good compromise and provides a lot of flexibility.

The exact release date is still being determined, but it will be within the next 2-3 weeks. We will keep you updated as we set a target date.

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4/7/2014 11:07:59 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/7/2014 10:56:18 AM, Fox-McCloud wrote:
Nice!
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4/7/2014 11:11:43 AM
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These are all good ideas.

Another good idea is to make a way to judge the judges. For example, you could put a "like" button on each person's RFD. People will accumulate likes based on how frequently they judge and how good people think their RFD's are. That will make it easier for people to select judges for their debates, because we'd all want judges with lots of likes.

Just a suggestion!
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4/7/2014 11:17:40 AM
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At 4/7/2014 11:07:59 AM, imabench wrote:
At 4/7/2014 10:56:18 AM, Fox-McCloud wrote:
Nice!

Is it enough to make you stick around? :P
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4/7/2014 11:25:53 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Thanks julia I have been really excited about this. I really think the community will appreciate this :)

Also thanks for others who helped in giving feedback for this idea. I think this will solve some of the members issues with the system. We still have work to do on encouraging better voting however. :)
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4/7/2014 11:28:41 AM
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At 4/7/2014 11:25:53 AM, TUF wrote:
Thanks julia I have been really excited about this. I really think the community will appreciate this :)

Also thanks for others who helped in giving feedback for this idea. I think this will solve some of the members issues with the system. We still have work to do on encouraging better voting however. :)

I think I'm going to start paying people to vote on my debates. $1 for voting. An extra $5 for voting for me. That should fix everything. My ELO will soon reflect the quality of my debating skills. :-)
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4/7/2014 11:29:09 AM
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At 4/7/2014 10:22:02 AM, Debate.org_Official wrote:

1) Instigator selects judges. The opponent when accepting the challenge, has to also accept the nominated judges.


So couldn't the instigator just choose all his or her close friends, who are biased since they are friends, to judge, ensuring an easy win?
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4/7/2014 11:35:05 AM
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At 4/7/2014 11:28:41 AM, philochristos wrote:
At 4/7/2014 11:25:53 AM, TUF wrote:
Thanks julia I have been really excited about this. I really think the community will appreciate this :)

Also thanks for others who helped in giving feedback for this idea. I think this will solve some of the members issues with the system. We still have work to do on encouraging better voting however. :)

I think I'm going to start paying people to vote on my debates. $1 for voting. An extra $5 for voting for me. That should fix everything. My ELO will soon reflect the quality of my debating skills. :-)

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4/7/2014 11:40:56 AM
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At 4/7/2014 11:29:09 AM, Defro wrote:
At 4/7/2014 10:22:02 AM, Debate.org_Official wrote:

1) Instigator selects judges. The opponent when accepting the challenge, has to also accept the nominated judges.


So couldn't the instigator just choose all his or her close friends, who are biased since they are friends, to judge, ensuring an easy win?

He could, but then the challenger doesn't have to accept. If two people discuss having a debate, they can also discuss between themselves who will be the judges, and they can come to an agreement that way. It will be kind of like jury selection.
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4/7/2014 11:50:04 AM
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OK Juggle, you're on! I've been awake all night baking muffins. Now I've got 1 hour 30 minutes left before the sun rises in this part of the world, and I'm going to see if I can code this "nominate voters" thing in that time.
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4/7/2014 11:58:21 AM
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At 4/7/2014 11:50:04 AM, larztheloser wrote:
OK Juggle, you're on! I've been awake all night baking muffins. Now I've got 1 hour 30 minutes left before the sun rises in this part of the world, and I'm going to see if I can code this "nominate voters" thing in that time.

10/10

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4/7/2014 11:59:26 AM
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At 4/7/2014 11:28:41 AM, philochristos wrote:
At 4/7/2014 11:25:53 AM, TUF wrote:
Thanks julia I have been really excited about this. I really think the community will appreciate this :)

Also thanks for others who helped in giving feedback for this idea. I think this will solve some of the members issues with the system. We still have work to do on encouraging better voting however. :)

I think I'm going to start paying people to vote on my debates. $1 for voting. An extra $5 for voting for me. That should fix everything. My ELO will soon reflect the quality of my debating skills. :-)

Or the depth of your wallet. You have a fair number of debates and I think you're about to *cough cough* go on a winning streak.
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4/7/2014 12:06:56 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/7/2014 11:59:26 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 4/7/2014 11:28:41 AM, philochristos wrote:
At 4/7/2014 11:25:53 AM, TUF wrote:
Thanks julia I have been really excited about this. I really think the community will appreciate this :)

Also thanks for others who helped in giving feedback for this idea. I think this will solve some of the members issues with the system. We still have work to do on encouraging better voting however. :)

I think I'm going to start paying people to vote on my debates. $1 for voting. An extra $5 for voting for me. That should fix everything. My ELO will soon reflect the quality of my debating skills. :-)

Or the depth of your wallet. You have a fair number of debates and I think you're about to *cough cough* go on a winning streak.

And if I debate somebody like RoyLatham or Mikal, it'll be $10 for every vote for me.
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4/7/2014 12:12:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/7/2014 12:06:56 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 4/7/2014 11:59:26 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 4/7/2014 11:28:41 AM, philochristos wrote:
At 4/7/2014 11:25:53 AM, TUF wrote:
Thanks julia I have been really excited about this. I really think the community will appreciate this :)

Also thanks for others who helped in giving feedback for this idea. I think this will solve some of the members issues with the system. We still have work to do on encouraging better voting however. :)

I think I'm going to start paying people to vote on my debates. $1 for voting. An extra $5 for voting for me. That should fix everything. My ELO will soon reflect the quality of my debating skills. :-)

Or the depth of your wallet. You have a fair number of debates and I think you're about to *cough cough* go on a winning streak.

And if I debate somebody like RoyLatham or Mikal, it'll be $10 for every vote for me.

What can I say? I always root for the underdog ;)
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4/7/2014 1:20:22 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/7/2014 10:22:02 AM, Debate.org_Official wrote:
In a couple of weeks we are launching an update to the site that will focus on the debates section, more specifically, voting.

We are planning on expanding the "Voting Options" for debates. The goal of these new options is to give debaters the opportunity to determine what voting style they wish to employ for their debates. Here is a basic outline of what we are working on.

The Voting Options you can configure on a debate would consist of the following:

EXISTING FEATURES
1.Voting Period Length
2.Vote Comments (On or Off)

NEW FEATURES
Voting Style
Open Voting - within open voting members would have two options for configuration

1) Point System - either current 7 point system OR a simple "choose winner" option (both would still have RFDs)

I don't see a point to this. It's a step backwards.

2) Eligible Voters - either leave it open to all eligible voters OR select an ELO floor that voters must have to vote on the debate (all other prerequisites for being eligible to vote would still apply)

This solves the problem of dumb voters, I suppose, even though voteombing and a lack of voting are 99% of the problems, and an Elo floor doesn't specifically target either.

Judge Voting - select up to 10 hand-picked judges to vote on a debate, leaving voting closed to all other users

I can see how this would work in tourneys, but most turneys don't even have more than 5 people vote on them, and it is useful for nothing else. This policy makes it seem like a privelige to vote, when it's really a privelige to be voted on. This system can also be easily exploited.

1) Instigator selects judges. The opponent when accepting the challenge, has to also accept the nominated judges.
2) Nominated judges would have to accept in order to judge the debate

A veto system would be nice.

3) Point System - either current 7 point system OR a simple "choose winner" option (both would still have RFDs)
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

With adding a new judge voting option, we are creating a "leaderboard" that would list out the members who have judged the most debates and the percentage of times they have selected the winner of the debate. This would provide newer members an opportunity to figure out who experienced judges may be to nominate.

So there are going to be pesty "vote for me" notifications instead of just PMs now?

Also, a leader board based on who voted for the winning debate is pointless. I can go to the voting section and vote on all the winning debates. it doesn't mean I'm better. Also, this discourages dissent, which can provide valuable perspectives on debates.

We will also be making a few other changes:

- Making sure that forfeited debates no longer show in any of the "Voting Period" debate filters

This is good. I hope you make them auto losses for the person who forfeited more, instead of ties or deletions.

- Expanding the gender options for member profiles

God why.

As always, we will also be rolling in a few bug fixes that have been reported or are known issues.

Lastly, thanks to thett3, TUF, Ore_Ele, and CP

Ah, CP.

for their feedback on the voting options and helping us come up with something that we feel is a good compromise and provides a lot of flexibility.

The exact release date is still being determined, but it will be within the next 2-3 weeks. We will keep you updated as we set a target date.
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4/7/2014 1:27:55 PM
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At 4/7/2014 11:50:04 AM, larztheloser wrote:
OK Juggle, you're on! I've been awake all night baking muffins. Now I've got 1 hour 30 minutes left before the sun rises in this part of the world, and I'm going to see if I can code this "nominate voters" thing in that time.

Done with about 15mins to spare! :) I'm also now taking wagers on whether Juggle will have this out before Easter.
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4/7/2014 1:30:12 PM
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There are two positive things to this update: vote screening (which is really fantastic, given the numerous members whose demonstrably awful voting habits come at the expense of all debates they vote on) and the win/loss option. So, even if it's not what I actually wanted, it's better than the status quo.
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4/7/2014 1:31:08 PM
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At 4/7/2014 1:27:55 PM, larztheloser wrote:
At 4/7/2014 11:50:04 AM, larztheloser wrote:
OK Juggle, you're on! I've been awake all night baking muffins. Now I've got 1 hour 30 minutes left before the sun rises in this part of the world, and I'm going to see if I can code this "nominate voters" thing in that time.

Done with about 15mins to spare! :) I'm also now taking wagers on whether Juggle will have this out before Easter.

Lol.
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4/7/2014 2:01:47 PM
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At 4/7/2014 1:27:55 PM, larztheloser wrote:
At 4/7/2014 11:50:04 AM, larztheloser wrote:
OK Juggle, you're on! I've been awake all night baking muffins. Now I've got 1 hour 30 minutes left before the sun rises in this part of the world, and I'm going to see if I can code this "nominate voters" thing in that time.

Done with about 15mins to spare! :) I'm also now taking wagers on whether Juggle will have this out before Easter.

Doubtful. The 2-3 week thing is an absolute joke: I think it'll be out just in time for summer vacation.
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4/7/2014 2:04:50 PM
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Interesting how all of edeb8 instantly begged me to remove this as they all felt, and I kind of agree, that this will lower the quality of voting. I've disabled it for now pending further feedback.
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4/7/2014 2:08:30 PM
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At 4/7/2014 2:04:50 PM, larztheloser wrote:
Interesting how all of edeb8 instantly begged me to remove this as they all felt, and I kind of agree, that this will lower the quality of voting. I've disabled it for now pending further feedback.

Lmao. Pls no. I want my up-down voting. Pls don't give Juggle any ideas.
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4/7/2014 2:11:25 PM
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At 4/7/2014 2:04:50 PM, larztheloser wrote:
Interesting how all of edeb8 instantly begged me to remove this as they all felt, and I kind of agree, that this will lower the quality of voting. I've disabled it for now pending further feedback.

I think the voting system that was already in place is great. No need to change it.
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