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2/6/2010 6:56:26 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
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Examples:

Communism, how does it make a mistake?

Atheism, how does it make a mistake?

Ragnar_Rahl, how does it make a mistake?

The Chinese, How does it make a mistake?

The Economy, how does it make a mistake?
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2/6/2010 6:58:38 PM
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This guy is a meme machine!

At 2/6/2010 6:57:17 PM, jharry wrote:
At 2/6/2010 6:49:52 PM, jharry wrote:
taken from nature.com

biologists initially speculated that MOST replication errors were caused by what are called tautomeric shifts

Today, scientists suspect that MOST DNA replication errors are caused by mispairings of a different nature: either between different but nontautomeric chemical forms of bases

Speculation and suspicion, is that all?

This is kind of broad, I was looking for a more exact answer. One more question.
What is the predominant theory/belief in the scientific community on the subject of life beginning here or coming from somewhere else? I'm sure the combined knowledge here is far more vast then my twenty minutes with google.
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2/6/2010 7:03:12 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I-am-a-Panda, it's so ovbious how it makes a mistake that its not a question worth asking.
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2/6/2010 8:22:08 PM
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Memes aren't "proposed". They happen ab chao.

The only reason such a meme would come into existence now is only an attempt to thwart this statement.
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2/6/2010 8:25:58 PM
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At 2/6/2010 8:22:08 PM, wjmelements wrote:
Memes aren't "proposed". They happen ab chao.

The only reason such a meme would come into existence now is only an attempt to thwart this statement.

Catch me on meme. I looked it up but was unable to understand how it applies.
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2/6/2010 8:27:14 PM
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At 2/6/2010 8:25:58 PM, jharry wrote:
Catch me on meme.

What does that mean?
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2/6/2010 8:28:30 PM
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At 2/6/2010 8:27:14 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 2/6/2010 8:25:58 PM, jharry wrote:
Catch me on meme.

What does that mean?

What is a meme?
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2/6/2010 8:36:19 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/6/2010 8:32:41 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 2/6/2010 8:28:30 PM, jharry wrote:
What is a meme?

Wikipedia is at least 100% accurate.
http://en.wikipedia.org...

Ohhhhhhh. I just searched meme, not internet meme. Please forgive me. But still, how does this apply to my question?
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2/6/2010 8:39:32 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/6/2010 8:36:19 PM, jharry wrote:
At 2/6/2010 8:32:41 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 2/6/2010 8:28:30 PM, jharry wrote:
What is a meme?

Wikipedia is at least 100% accurate.
http://en.wikipedia.org...

Ohhhhhhh. I just searched meme, not internet meme. Please forgive me. But still, how does this apply to my question?

By 'question,' if you mean
What is a meme?
then the article answers your question directly.
If you mean
How does it make a mistake?
then I just have to explain that "How does it make a mistake?" had the potential of being a meme.
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2/6/2010 8:44:27 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/6/2010 8:39:32 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 2/6/2010 8:36:19 PM, jharry wrote:
At 2/6/2010 8:32:41 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 2/6/2010 8:28:30 PM, jharry wrote:
What is a meme?

Wikipedia is at least 100% accurate.
http://en.wikipedia.org...

Ohhhhhhh. I just searched meme, not internet meme. Please forgive me. But still, how does this apply to my question?

By 'question,' if you mean
What is a meme?
then the article answers your question directly.
If you mean
How does it make a mistake?
then I just have to explain that "How does it make a mistake?" had the potential of being a meme.

OH? So did my question "How does it make a mistake?" have a high probability of becoming a meme? Sorry, I'm not up to date on internet culture, I just figured out what a rick roll was the other day.
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2/6/2010 8:50:36 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Again, I must show my internet ignorance yet again. But how does this incorporate with my question and an internet meme? Or was it ever intended to be similar in anyway?

Examples:

Communism, how does it make a mistake?

Communism can't make mistakes, it's a belief not something that is able to make a mistake. The people that came up with it and tried to apply it made a mistake but Communism can't make a mistake.

Atheism, how does it make a mistake?

Same as Communism.

Ragnar_Rahl, how does it make a mistake?

I'm guessing that Ragnar_Rahl is a screename for a person here, and not an "it".

The Chinese, How does it make a mistake?

Same as Ragnar

The Economy, how does it make a mistake?

Same as Communism, the people behind the economy make the mistakes.
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2/6/2010 8:55:24 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/6/2010 8:22:08 PM, wjmelements wrote:
Memes aren't "proposed". They happen ab chao.

The only reason such a meme would come into existence now is only an attempt to thwart this statement.

I'm curious about one of your signatures. If that is what they are called.

"No human is saintly enough to be entrusted with total power over another."
-David Brion Davis

Does this apply to parenting also?
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2/6/2010 9:40:21 PM
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At 2/6/2010 8:55:24 PM, jharry wrote:
I'm curious about one of your signatures. If that is what they are called.

"No human is saintly enough to be entrusted with total power over another."
-David Brion Davis

Does this apply to parenting also?

Imagine if parents had total power over their children.
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2/7/2010 12:01:33 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/6/2010 9:40:21 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 2/6/2010 8:55:24 PM, jharry wrote:
I'm curious about one of your signatures. If that is what they are called.

"No human is saintly enough to be entrusted with total power over another."
-David Brion Davis

Does this apply to parenting also?

Imagine if parents had total power over their children.

Right now at the moment of typing these words I have complete and absolute control of my children. I could make them get up and dig a hole until daylight or I could let them sleep. I have complete and total control over their future. There is absolutely nothing stopping me from doing anything I wanted to my children right now, and they have no control what so ever to stop me. I could decide right now that they are too much of a burden and get rid of them, send them away whatever. As a matter of fact I have absolute control over my wife at this very moment. There are a few things that could stop me from doing anything to them or not doing anything to them. Love. Hate. Fear. But only at this moment is the ONLY time I will ever have complete control over any person, it's impossible. There is absolutely nothing stopping me from waking them up and giving them ice cream and telling them I love them. There is nothing stopping me from never giving love and attention. There is nothing stopping me from not supporting them in their futures, I could sit back and just raise them until their 18 and then booting them out. But my love for them makes me plan for their college. My morals instilled in me by my parents cause me to raise them to know right from wrong and so on. Number one, no one can ever have complete control over another human for ever and at ever moment. And two, humans are capable of being "saintly" in moments of complete and total control. To be a Saint is to LOVE.

A fetus in the womb is completely controlled by the mother. She has the full ability to love the child or hate the child. The only thing that can stop or motivate her is Love or Hate. I feel it is as simple as that.
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2/7/2010 12:03:42 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/7/2010 12:01:33 AM, jharry wrote:
At 2/6/2010 9:40:21 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 2/6/2010 8:55:24 PM, jharry wrote:
I'm curious about one of your signatures. If that is what they are called.

"No human is saintly enough to be entrusted with total power over another."
-David Brion Davis

Does this apply to parenting also?

Imagine if parents had total power over their children.

Right now at the moment of typing these words I have complete and absolute control of my children.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH WOW.

I could make them get up and dig a hole until daylight
"Social services here." Also, they have feet. And hands to grab kitchen knives.
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2/7/2010 12:40:27 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/7/2010 12:03:42 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 2/7/2010 12:01:33 AM, jharry wrote:
At 2/6/2010 9:40:21 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 2/6/2010 8:55:24 PM, jharry wrote:
I'm curious about one of your signatures. If that is what they are called.

"No human is saintly enough to be entrusted with total power over another."
-David Brion Davis

Does this apply to parenting also?

Imagine if parents had total power over their children.

Right now at the moment of typing these words I have complete and absolute control of my children.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH WOW.


I could make them get up and dig a hole until daylight
"Social services here." Also, they have feet. And hands to grab kitchen knives.

I'm guessing you don't have children?

Social services are not here in my home right now. So how can they stop me from making them dig a ditch right now? I can both outrun them and out smart them at this moment. Have you ever play fought with a child, they get very few strikes in. Especially if you are wanted to be serious. And, speak softly and carry a big stick comes to mind.
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2/7/2010 6:26:45 AM
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At 2/6/2010 8:50:36 PM, jharry wrote:
Again, I must show my internet ignorance yet again. But how does this incorporate with my question and an internet meme? Or was it ever intended to be similar in anyway?

Examples:

Communism, how does it make a mistake?

Communism can't make mistakes, it's a belief not something that is able to make a mistake. The people that came up with it and tried to apply it made a mistake but Communism can't make a mistake.

Atheism, how does it make a mistake?

Same as Communism.

Ragnar_Rahl, how does it make a mistake?

I'm guessing that Ragnar_Rahl is a screename for a person here, and not an "it".

The Chinese, How does it make a mistake?

Same as Ragnar

The Economy, how does it make a mistake?

Same as Communism, the people behind the economy make the mistakes.

Lol, the point is that they're intentionally stupid and funny.
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2/7/2010 7:06:35 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/7/2010 12:01:33 AM, jharry wrote:
Right now at the moment of typing these words I have complete and absolute control of my children. I could make them get up and dig a hole until daylight or I could let them sleep. I have complete and total control over their future. There is absolutely nothing stopping me from doing anything I wanted to my children right now, and they have no control what so ever to stop me. I could decide right now that they are too much of a burden and get rid of them, send them away whatever. As a matter of fact I have absolute control over my wife at this very moment. There are a few things that could stop me from doing anything to them or not doing anything to them. Love. Hate. Fear. But only at this moment is the ONLY time I will ever have complete control over any person, it's impossible. There is absolutely nothing stopping me from waking them up and giving them ice cream and telling them I love them. There is nothing stopping me from never giving love and attention. There is nothing stopping me from not supporting them in their futures, I could sit back and just raise them until their 18 and then booting them out. But my love for them makes me plan for their college. My morals instilled in me by my parents cause me to raise them to know right from wrong and so on. Number one, no one can ever have complete control over another human for ever and at ever moment. And two, humans are capable of being "saintly" in moments of complete and total control. To be a Saint is to LOVE.

A fetus in the womb is completely controlled by the mother. She has the full ability to love the child or hate the child. The only thing that can stop or motivate her is Love or Hate. I feel it is as simple as that.

This reminds me of the religious concept of stewardship.
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2/7/2010 7:11:41 AM
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At 2/6/2010 8:22:08 PM, wjmelements wrote:
Memes aren't "proposed". They happen ab chao.

The only reason such a meme would come into existence now is only an attempt to thwart this statement.

Iamapanda is incapable of understanding that order is emergent. He believes that everything good must necessarily have been planned by a benevolent dictator.
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2/7/2010 7:24:12 AM
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At 2/7/2010 7:11:41 AM, Reasoning wrote:
At 2/6/2010 8:22:08 PM, wjmelements wrote:
Memes aren't "proposed". They happen ab chao.

The only reason such a meme would come into existence now is only an attempt to thwart this statement.

Iamapanda is incapable of understanding that order is emergent. He believes that everything good must necessarily have been planned by a benevolent dictator.

No, rather I believe something should be proposed and then agreed upon by the denizens if it is favourable to them.
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2/7/2010 9:18:17 AM
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At 2/7/2010 7:24:12 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 2/7/2010 7:11:41 AM, Reasoning wrote:
At 2/6/2010 8:22:08 PM, wjmelements wrote:
Memes aren't "proposed". They happen ab chao.

The only reason such a meme would come into existence now is only an attempt to thwart this statement.

Iamapanda is incapable of understanding that order is emergent. He believes that everything good must necessarily have been planned by a benevolent dictator.

No, rather I believe something should be proposed and then agreed upon by the denizens if it is favourable to them.

That's not how culture occurs. Did we all vote that it was permissible for spinning rims to be attached to car wheels? I didn't think so.
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2/7/2010 10:45:34 AM
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At 2/6/2010 8:22:08 PM, wjmelements wrote:
Memes aren't "proposed". They happen ab chao.

Not necessarily. It's just a cultural idea that reproduces. You can propose a meme and it can be artificially "bred", in the same way that we can breed crops.

I still like my meme better.
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2/7/2010 10:48:51 AM
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At 2/7/2010 10:45:34 AM, MTGandP wrote:
At 2/6/2010 8:22:08 PM, wjmelements wrote:
Memes aren't "proposed". They happen ab chao.

Not necessarily. It's just a cultural idea that reproduces. You can propose a meme and it can be artificially "bred", in the same way that we can breed crops.

I still like my meme better.

When was the last time that you saw a meme that came out of a "Hey guys, I think this should be a meme" thread?
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2/7/2010 10:57:19 AM
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At 2/7/2010 12:40:27 AM, jharry wrote:
At 2/7/2010 12:03:42 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 2/7/2010 12:01:33 AM, jharry wrote:
At 2/6/2010 9:40:21 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 2/6/2010 8:55:24 PM, jharry wrote:
I'm curious about one of your signatures. If that is what they are called.

"No human is saintly enough to be entrusted with total power over another."
-David Brion Davis

Does this apply to parenting also?

Imagine if parents had total power over their children.

Right now at the moment of typing these words I have complete and absolute control of my children.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH WOW.


I could make them get up and dig a hole until daylight
"Social services here." Also, they have feet. And hands to grab kitchen knives.

I'm guessing you don't have children?
I have siblings what is your point.


Social services are not here in my home right now.
They will be if you do such a thing.

I can both outrun them and out smart them at this moment.
Have you ever seen Adrian Peterson play? He's usually the most athletic person on the field, and when he isn't he's near enough. When he is he should have a touchdown every play right? After all, in any given play he CAN get a touchdown. But it's not a matter of absolutes, it's a matter of chance, and a matter of what strategies each player on the field conflicts and what results those have. Especially if they choose the feet option, since you never know the precise moment they will choose to run, or the precise route. It doesn't matter if they are faster or you are faster if you turn your back as you inevitably will, they get out of sight, and you start the wrong way

Have you ever play fought with a child
Not with knives.
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2/7/2010 11:17:30 AM
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At 2/7/2010 7:06:35 AM, Kleptin wrote:
At 2/7/2010 12:01:33 AM, jharry wrote:

A fetus in the womb is completely controlled by the mother. She has the full ability to love the child or hate the child. The only thing that can stop or motivate her is Love or Hate. I feel it is as simple as that.

This reminds me of the religious concept of stewardship.

Absolutely correct. Love. In a nutshell. Love stops me from abandoning them. I had a job travelling all over the country before I had kids. I stayed in the nice hotels, the liquor flowed from the mountain tops, the pot grew out of the cracks in the side walk and the women just loved my southern boy accent. I lived life with no purpose, fulfilling my every lustful desire. I gave all that up for the love of my children. I love my children more then myself, it's as simple as that. And I aint no Saint I can assure you of that. But in the end I still have that ability to decide. The majority of mankind makes the same decision as I, and that why we are still here. Love.
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2/7/2010 11:36:27 AM
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At 2/6/2010 8:22:08 PM, wjmelements wrote:
Memes aren't "proposed". They happen ab chao.

The only reason such a meme would come into existence now is only an attempt to thwart this statement.

aka: forced meme. ABANDON THE CANCER, MEN
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2/7/2010 11:54:49 AM
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Wjmelements basically said:
You can't engineer culture

Lol tell that to my government
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2/7/2010 12:12:27 PM
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At 2/7/2010 10:57:19 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 2/7/2010 12:40:27 AM, jharry wrote:
At 2/7/2010 12:03:42 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 2/7/2010 12:01:33 AM, jharry wrote:
At 2/6/2010 9:40:21 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 2/6/2010 8:55:24 PM, jharry wrote:
I'm curious about one of your signatures. If that is what they are called.

"No human is saintly enough to be entrusted with total power over another."
-David Brion Davis

Does this apply to parenting also?

Imagine if parents had total power over their children.

Right now at the moment of typing these words I have complete and absolute control of my children.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH WOW.


I could make them get up and dig a hole until daylight
"Social services here." Also, they have feet. And hands to grab kitchen knives.

I'm guessing you don't have children?
I have siblings what is your point.



Social services are not here in my home right now.
They will be if you do such a thing.

I can both outrun them and out smart them at this moment.
Have you ever seen Adrian Peterson play? He's usually the most athletic person on the field, and when he isn't he's near enough. When he is he should have a touchdown every play right? After all, in any given play he CAN get a touchdown. But it's not a matter of absolutes, it's a matter of chance, and a matter of what strategies each player on the field conflicts and what results those have. Especially if they choose the feet option, since you never know the precise moment they will choose to run, or the precise route. It doesn't matter if they are faster or you are faster if you turn your back as you inevitably will, they get out of sight, and you start the wrong way

Have you ever play fought with a child
Not with knives.

Siblings. Not exactly the same as children, but close enough. Are they ever trusted to your care?

I'll just go to the knives. Actually we do play fight with fake knives. When I let him win he kills Darth Vader or what ever pretend role we are playing. I'm saying NO one has complete control over ANYONE for a sustained amount of time. Everyone has complete control over other humans many moments in time. Yes a child standing over me while I sleep does in fact have complete control over me for that moment. That child has the ability to change my entire future. No that is absolute control.
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2/7/2010 12:25:20 PM
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"A forced meme can be commonly defined as something that a person or group attempts to force into internet culture. The interesting catch is that, for the most part, they are not true memes."[1]

[1] http://knowyourmeme.com...
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