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Blade-of-Truth
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5/9/2014 5:14:02 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Ladies and Gentlemen of DDO,

I am Blade-of-Truth, a fellow debater like yourself who has joined this site about 2 months ago. While I have been extremely fortuitous in my debates in terms of receiving votes, I am aware of the common frustration that we have all experienced at some point when our debates fail to receive votes. I view voting as a give and take system. If you do not vote on debates, how are you to justly complain when your own debates fail to receive any votes? Once we complete three debates and have confirmed our identity, we are given the ability to pass judgement on the debates of others. For myself, I have voted on more debates than I have partaken in, and for that, I attribute my own good luck in receiving votes on my own debates. Realistically though, voting on debates allows you to develop relations with the participants who were either the instigator or the contender. In doing so, you begin to form a relationship with others that is based on the mutual collaboration of voting on debates they partake in. This is not always the case, but it is an outcome that is made possible by such actions.

This is also what I have done. I have built relationships with my fellow DDO members and together we have made sure that none of our debates go unvoted. I never promise that my vote will be in their favor, and at times, it hasn't been. On the flip side, I never expect a vote to automatically be in my favor, and sometimes - it hasn't. A voter has the responsibility of voting according to who they truly believe is the winner, not on who is their friend or who is the one that asked them to vote on the debate. In sharing this with everyone I either ask to vote or who ask me to vote for them, I have maintained a certain level of expectations both from my voters and the members who ask me for votes.

This brings me to the most important issue: the newer members. Due to the fact that most of the senior members have debates that garner high amounts of attention and votes, the issue with a lack of voting usually falls into the laps of newer members. Several possible issues could be that the new members lack the social skills necessary to build relationships with others online, lack the knowledge on how to place votes with good RFD's, or even lack the confidence necessary to place judgement. These issues come into play when considering that receiving votes on your debate is, for me, a give and take system.

Now, some members might disagree that the voting system is give and take. This is fine, and not entirely an incorrect position. The aspect of give and take is really just one element in the dynamic paradigm of voting here on DDO. For me though, I bear witness to the effectiveness of implementing such a system. This is why I have decided, that I am announcing my plans to create a Coalition of voters here on DDO. One that will be recognized officially as the Supreme Council of Determination.

We are Supreme because we uphold the highest standards of quality when it comes to leaving votes that have justified, expansive, and accurate RFD's.

We are a Council made up of a group of people chosen to leave votes when they are needed.

We are the agents of Determination, establishing our judgments on debates in a swift and effective manner.

Together, as a Coalition we stand for never leaving one of our fellow debaters with an unvoted debate.

This type of coalition has been attempted several times before, some meeting with temporary success and others failing to even gather membership. The difference between those coalitions in the past and the one I propose now is simply the coordinator who is responsible for keeping it alive. Not once have I ever forfeited a debate, not once have I ever failed to vote on a debate that was presented to me with no votes, not once have I ever asked for someone to vote without ever returning the favor. What I demand for myself, I also expect from others.

This will work by me posting a minimum of once-a-week group messages. These messages will include a list of debates that have been sent to me via message by each and every active member in the Supreme Council of Determination. If you are a member and have an unvoted debate - message me the link. I will post these messages either:

A) when the week is up and all the debates that need votes are sent in to me

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B) if it is an emergency situation like a voting period ending before the week is up, or to report a debate for counter balancing vote-bombs.

I have three rules:

1) You must be willing to place votes if you expect to have your own debates voted on.

2) If you are sending me a debate because it was vote-bombed by non-council members, I first ask that those votes are reported to either Airmax or Ore_Ele.

2.A) If moderation fails to fix the issue before the timer runs out, the council will intervene and counter-balance any and all vote bombs placed by non-council members within 10 minutes of the voting period ending with expressed intent to counter-balance the vote-bombs that have yet had the chance to be looked at by the moderators.

2.B) Always respect the moderators decision. If they feel the vote left by the non-council member was justified, we cannot overstep their final say. Failure to follow the natural hierarchy of the site will be grounds for immediate expulsion from the Council.

3) Any new member wishing to join the Supreme Council of Determination must first express interest to join by messaging me. I am the only one, at this point, who has the power to allow membership into the Supreme Council of Determination.

To Qualify as a member of the Supreme Council of Determination:

1) Must have a base Elo of 2,200. Their will be a probationary period for members who have an Elo range between 1,800 - 2,200 on two conditions:

1.a) are new members who have not yet had the chance to get their elo that high

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1.b) have shown they are capable of placing the quality RFD's necessary to be a member

2) Must have voted on at-least 3 debates already and willing to present those votes as evidence of the quality of voting they can bring to the Supreme Council of Determination.

3) Understand that they are subject for immediate expulsion if ever caught voting with pre-determined bias or for any other reason than to simply leave quality RFD's where they are needed most.

4) Understand that they must place an equal amount of votes for the amount of debates they wish to get votes on. Example - if I want two debates to receive votes, I need to place a minimum of two votes on other debates.

5) Must maintain excellence in all of their voting activities. I have shared our mission above, and expect nothing short of a Council of above-average individuals willing to shape those who wish to learn, while also always remaining open to personal growth themselves.

If you wish to petition for membership in the Supreme Council of Determination, please place your name below and a message will be sent to you shortly. I thank you for taking the time to read this. If their are already names placed, simply copy and paste the list and add your name to the next open slot. I look forward to maintaining an effective brotherhood of my fellow DDO members. Together, we can secure our success in all of our debate-related pursuits.

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I am keeping the max limit to 15 people for now. After the first few weeks of "beta-testing" the effectiveness of this Council and the limitations of management - I will be open to either allowing more members or altering the structure of the Council to allow lieutenants to have control over their own specific regions within the Supreme Council of Determination. I will also need enforcers to check the RFD quality of fellow members in the Council. Other positions are open like recruiters and field specialists.
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Blade-of-Truth
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5/9/2014 6:18:30 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/9/2014 5:47:29 PM, whiteflame wrote:
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Sure, I'll give this a go.

Thank you Whiteflame! You are most certainly a valuable member of the community and one that I believe will be instrumental in setting the standards for the quality RFD's that the Supreme Council of Determination stands for. I appreciate your membership and will notify you via PM when the Council has been filled so that we may begin our work.
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5/9/2014 6:26:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago

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I may not be the greatest or a well known debater, but i do wish to become better. I also like to read debates and then vote on them. I will always vote fairly and I will provide my reasons for my votes.
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NiamC
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5/9/2014 6:27:07 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/9/2014 6:26:11 PM, NiamC wrote:

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sorry about that WilliamsP.
I may not be the greatest or a well known debater, but i do wish to become better. I also like to read debates and then vote on them. I will always vote fairly and I will provide my reasons for my votes.
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Romanii
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5/9/2014 6:30:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
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This would help the site a lot if it were to work out!
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5/9/2014 6:43:56 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/9/2014 6:30:25 PM, Romanii wrote:
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This would help the site a lot if it were to work out!
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5/9/2014 7:02:12 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
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2. WilliamsP
3. NiamC
4. YYW
5. Romanii
6. Pitbull15
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Optimistic about this group. I was hoping for a formal non-compulsory way to ensure debates received votes.
Blade-of-Truth
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5/9/2014 7:08:13 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
**Updated List**
1. whiteflame
2. WilliamsP
3. NiamC
4. YYW
5. Romanii
6. Pitbull15
7. Aburk903
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Remember, once the list fills we can discuss positions within the Council in Private Messages, and begin our work. I look forward to seeing more members join! I will notify everyone via PM once the Council is filled. No longer will we worry about our debates receiving no votes... this is the beginning of something excellent and we are the agents responsible for continuing to strive for excellence.
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5/9/2014 7:45:45 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I'm not so sure about this... I don't know how often I might be online... I'll check back later if the 15 spots are full or not and come to a decision.
Solonkr~
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I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

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5/9/2014 8:25:12 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/9/2014 7:08:13 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
**Updated List**
1. whiteflame
2. WilliamsP
3. NiamC
4. YYW
5. Romanii
6. Pitbull15
7. Aburk903
8. Wylted
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Remember, once the list fills we can discuss positions within the Council in Private Messages, and begin our work. I look forward to seeing more members join! I will notify everyone via PM once the Council is filled. No longer will we worry about our debates receiving no votes... this is the beginning of something excellent and we are the agents responsible for continuing to strive for excellence.
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5/9/2014 8:27:13 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/9/2014 7:08:13 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
**Updated List**
1. whiteflame
2. WilliamsP
3. NiamC
4. YYW
5. Romanii
6. Pitbull15
7. Aburk903
8. Wylted
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5/9/2014 9:20:39 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/9/2014 8:27:13 PM, SeventhProfessor wrote:
At 5/9/2014 7:08:13 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
**Updated List**
1. whiteflame
2. WilliamsP
3. NiamC
4. YYW
5. Romanii
6. Pitbull15
7. Aburk903
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Guess what I used to type this..

Careful! Don't laugh too hard.
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5/10/2014 12:57:23 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/9/2014 9:20:39 PM, MyDinosaurHands wrote:
At 5/9/2014 8:27:13 PM, SeventhProfessor wrote:
At 5/9/2014 7:08:13 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
**Updated List**
1. whiteflame
2. WilliamsP
3. NiamC
4. YYW
5. Romanii
6. Pitbull15
7. Aburk903
8. Wylted
9. 7th
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Blade-of-Truth
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5/10/2014 1:00:03 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
**Updated List**
1. whiteflame
2. WilliamsP
3. NiamC
4. YYW
5. Romanii
6. Pitbull15
7. Aburk903
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The Council has 5 positions left.

We are looking for experienced members only, please. This will assist our mutual efforts to maintain the integrity of the Council with quality voters. We are a brotherhood and only as strong as our weakest link. By helping each other grow and leading by example in terms of leaving quality votes, we will not only improve one another but also fulfill a greater task of uplifting this community as a whole.

I look forward to seeing who will fill in the remaining positions. Once everything is in, we may begin discussing specific titles and the methods in which we will carry out our task. I will take care of everything organizationally. All you need concern yourself with is the commitment of voting on a few debates at-least once a week and meeting the standards of excellence that The Supreme Council of Determination wishes to uphold.
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Romanii
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5/10/2014 2:09:43 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Defro is an experienced member, I think. You can include him. The only person who I've never seen vote before but is on the list is that Aburk guy.
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5/10/2014 8:20:45 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I truly look forward to working with all of you and I appreciate Blade-of-Truth forging the council. It is a great idea and I hope it will help bring excellence to DDO.
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5/10/2014 8:36:23 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/10/2014 1:00:03 AM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
**Updated List**
1. whiteflame
2. WilliamsP
3. NiamC
4. YYW
5. Romanii
6. Pitbull15
7. Aburk903
8. Wylted
9. 7th
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5/10/2014 9:46:31 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/10/2014 8:36:23 AM, TN05 wrote:
At 5/10/2014 1:00:03 AM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
**Updated List**
1. whiteflame
2. WilliamsP
3. NiamC
4. YYW
5. Romanii
6. Pitbull15
7. Aburk903
8. Wylted
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Why not? This is pretty legit.
The Troll Queen.

I'm also the Troll Goddess of Reason. Sacrifices are appreciated but not necessary.

"I'm a vivacious sex fiend," SolonKR.

Go vote on one of my debates. I'm not that smart, so it'll probably be an easy decision.

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5/10/2014 9:47:32 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/10/2014 9:46:31 AM, Jonbonbon wrote:
At 5/10/2014 8:36:23 AM, TN05 wrote:
At 5/10/2014 1:00:03 AM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
**Updated List**
1. whiteflame
2. WilliamsP
3. NiamC
4. YYW
5. Romanii
6. Pitbull15
7. Aburk903
8. Wylted
9. 7th
10. MyDinosaurHands
11. TN05
12. Jonbonbon
13. Defro
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Wait Defro wanted to be in this.
The Troll Queen.

I'm also the Troll Goddess of Reason. Sacrifices are appreciated but not necessary.

"I'm a vivacious sex fiend," SolonKR.

Go vote on one of my debates. I'm not that smart, so it'll probably be an easy decision.

Fite me m9

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5/10/2014 9:51:23 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Hey, Aburk, since you're new, I think it would be best for you to link us to at least five serious debates you've voted on so we can examine your RFD's. BoT is looking for experienced members, but I personally think as long as you can show you leave intelligent RFD's then you're good.
The Troll Queen.

I'm also the Troll Goddess of Reason. Sacrifices are appreciated but not necessary.

"I'm a vivacious sex fiend," SolonKR.

Go vote on one of my debates. I'm not that smart, so it'll probably be an easy decision.

Fite me m9

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5/10/2014 2:51:15 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/10/2014 9:51:23 AM, Jonbonbon wrote:
Hey, Aburk, since you're new, I think it would be best for you to link us to at least five serious debates you've voted on so we can examine your RFD's. BoT is looking for experienced members, but I personally think as long as you can show you leave intelligent RFD's then you're good.

You're absolutely correct. For council members that aren't as experienced, like Aburk, I will review the votes they have already placed and then speak with them privately. Don't forget that I am making a probationary period for any members who are not already established as strong voters. We are only as strong as our weakest link, so instead of immediate expulsion I'd like for us to help them form the skills necessary for leaving RFD's of excellent quality. I also won't hesitate to remove anyone who isn't upholding the integrity of the council.

We are a brotherhood, and will work together to grow together. Everyone in the council will have equal say in any and all decisions including who we feel should be on a probationary period when we start. I will take care of organizing our discussions in group PM's and will start immediately once all the spots are filled. During the welcome PM we will discuss who is already good to go and who will be on probation for the first few weeks while the more experienced council members review their votes and share their constructive criticism. This is where positions like enforcers will come into play, they will be the ones who watch over those on probation and provide feedback on the progress being made with those individuals (if need be).
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5/10/2014 2:53:09 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
**Updated List**
1. whiteflame
2. WilliamsP
3. NiamC
4. YYW
5. Romanii
6. Pitbull15
7. Aburk903
8. Wylted
9. 7th
10. MyDinosaurHands
11. TN05
12. Jonbonbon
13. Defro
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Two positions left. Looking for experienced members who will serve to strengthen the Council with their experience and commitment to help improve the site!!
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5/10/2014 2:55:18 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/10/2014 2:53:09 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
**Updated List**
1. whiteflame
2. WilliamsP
3. NiamC
4. YYW
5. Romanii
6. Pitbull15
7. Aburk903
8. Wylted
9. 7th
10. MyDinosaurHands
11. TN05
12. Jonbonbon
13. Defro
14. CJKAllstar
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Two positions left. Looking for experienced members who will serve to strengthen the Council with their experience and commitment to help improve the site!!

Added myself. I definitely want to do this.
"Political language... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind." - George Orwell
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5/10/2014 2:56:39 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/10/2014 2:55:18 PM, CJKAllstar wrote:
At 5/10/2014 2:53:09 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
**Updated List**
1. whiteflame
2. WilliamsP
3. NiamC
4. YYW
5. Romanii
6. Pitbull15
7. Aburk903
8. Wylted
9. 7th
10. MyDinosaurHands
11. TN05
12. Jonbonbon
13. Defro
14. CJKAllstar
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Two positions left. Looking for experienced members who will serve to strengthen the Council with their experience and commitment to help improve the site!!

Added myself. I definitely want to do this.

I usually cannot be bothered, but I have very good analytical skills and can give extensive RFDs, in case you look at my previous votes and aren't impressed.
"Political language... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind." - George Orwell
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5/10/2014 3:03:54 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
1. whiteflame
2. WilliamsP
3. NiamC
4. YYW
5. Romanii
6. Pitbull15
7. Wylted
8. SeventhProfessor
9. MyDinosaurHands
10. TN05
11. Jonbonbon
12. Defro
13. CJKAllstar
14. NiqashMotawdi3
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