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5/12/2014 4:19:38 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Hello everyone,

I recently finished a debate with nonprophet, who prides himself on having tied 17 of his 33 debates by setting ELO restrictions so that very few people are able to vote on his debates. This allows him to get away with slanderous remarks, ad hominem attacks, and plagiarism, all of which he has done in my debate with him.

My worry is that, because the voting period is only three days, the debate will end is a tie, which would be completely unfair to me given the asymmetry in effort that was put into our debates.

I would greatly appreciate that anyone who views this thread could view the debate and let me know if you are able to cast a vote. I'm not sure what the restrictions are, but am hoping that we can find at least someone who can bypass his restrictions.

The debate can be found here:

http://www.debate.org...

Thank you, and I greatly appreciate any help that any of you can offer.

Best,

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5/12/2014 4:30:15 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/12/2014 4:19:38 PM, JohnMaynardKeynes wrote:
Hello everyone,

I recently finished a debate with nonprophet, who prides himself on having tied 17 of his 33 debates by setting ELO restrictions so that very few people are able to vote on his debates. This allows him to get away with slanderous remarks, ad hominem attacks, and plagiarism, all of which he has done in my debate with him.

My worry is that, because the voting period is only three days, the debate will end is a tie, which would be completely unfair to me given the asymmetry in effort that was put into our debates.

I would greatly appreciate that anyone who views this thread could view the debate and let me know if you are able to cast a vote. I'm not sure what the restrictions are, but am hoping that we can find at least someone who can bypass his restrictions.

The debate can be found here:

http://www.debate.org...


Thank you, and I greatly appreciate any help that any of you can offer.


Best,

JohnMaynardKeynes

The restrictions are usually an Elo of 7500+ when it comes to nonprophet.

It states this very clearly if you clicked "view debate settings"before accepting. You can try to get either RoyL. or Mikal to vote, but they most likely have better things to do with their time. Nonprophet has been doing for a few weeks now, and states this very clearly as well in his 'about me' section of his profile.

I recommend reading "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu... 'know your enemies'.

I wish I could help, but I can't. I do wish you the best of luck in the future though.
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5/12/2014 4:31:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/12/2014 4:30:15 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
At 5/12/2014 4:19:38 PM, JohnMaynardKeynes wrote:
Hello everyone,

I recently finished a debate with nonprophet, who prides himself on having tied 17 of his 33 debates by setting ELO restrictions so that very few people are able to vote on his debates. This allows him to get away with slanderous remarks, ad hominem attacks, and plagiarism, all of which he has done in my debate with him.

My worry is that, because the voting period is only three days, the debate will end is a tie, which would be completely unfair to me given the asymmetry in effort that was put into our debates.

I would greatly appreciate that anyone who views this thread could view the debate and let me know if you are able to cast a vote. I'm not sure what the restrictions are, but am hoping that we can find at least someone who can bypass his restrictions.

The debate can be found here:

http://www.debate.org...


Thank you, and I greatly appreciate any help that any of you can offer.


Best,

JohnMaynardKeynes

The restrictions for voting are usually an Elo of 7500+ when it comes to nonprophet.

It states this very clearly if you clicked "view debate settings"before accepting. You can try to get either RoyL. or Mikal to vote, but they most likely have better things to do with their time. Nonprophet has been doing this for a few weeks now, and states this very clearly as well in his 'about me' section of his profile.

I recommend reading "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu... 'know your enemies'.

I wish I could help, but I can't. I do wish you the best of luck in the future though.

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5/12/2014 4:35:18 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Yeah, that's pretty typical of Nonprophet. Juggle really should have seen this coming with their new voting update... Anyhow, the only thing you can really do is ask Mikal to vote. Roy isn't that active these days. For future reference, always scrutinize the debate settings before accepting.
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5/12/2014 4:38:21 PM
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Tried to vote and it didn't let me. Sorry /:
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5/12/2014 4:53:18 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Thanks for all the responses and advice. I contacted Mikal and asked if he would be willing to vote on it.

And I absolutely feel like such an idiot for not seeing the restrictions. I must have been living under a rock because I didn't even know they existed until this debate. I guess I had to learn the hard way.
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5/12/2014 5:24:22 PM
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How can one see the debate settings once the debate has been accepted (by someone else) ?
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5/12/2014 5:31:15 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/12/2014 5:24:22 PM, Amoranemix wrote:
How can one see the debate settings once the debate has been accepted (by someone else) ?

Unfortunately we can't. I was hoping that people could check whether they could vote so we could get an idea of what the restrictions are.

Thankfully, Mikal was kind enough to vote on the debate. Thank you to him and to everyone. In the future, I'll be sure to read those settings closer before accepting a debate.
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5/12/2014 6:54:42 PM
Posted: 2 years ago

I recommend reading "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu... 'know your enemies'.

I wish I could help, but I can't. I do wish you the best of luck in the future though.

YOU READ THE ART OF WAR?! = D
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5/12/2014 7:11:24 PM
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Personally I don't have a problem with it. Before you accept the debate it should tell you what the voting conditions are, and if someone wants to set the conditions so no one can vote then I have no problem with that. Look at wrich; he hardly ever has people vote on his debates because he debates for the debate itself and tries to take the politics (voting) out of it.
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5/12/2014 7:14:47 PM
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At 5/12/2014 7:11:24 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Personally I don't have a problem with it. Before you accept the debate it should tell you what the voting conditions are, and if someone wants to set the conditions so no one can vote then I have no problem with that. Look at wrich; he hardly ever has people vote on his debates because he debates for the debate itself and tries to take the politics (voting) out of it.

I see what you're saying, and I don't have a problem with people wanting to debate simply for fun. If he had posted in his first argument that he wanted this to be a vote-less debate, I would have respected that. Granted, I may not have accepted, but that's beside the point, really.
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5/12/2014 7:18:16 PM
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At 5/12/2014 7:14:47 PM, JohnMaynardKeynes wrote:
At 5/12/2014 7:11:24 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Personally I don't have a problem with it. Before you accept the debate it should tell you what the voting conditions are, and if someone wants to set the conditions so no one can vote then I have no problem with that. Look at wrich; he hardly ever has people vote on his debates because he debates for the debate itself and tries to take the politics (voting) out of it.

I see what you're saying, and I don't have a problem with people wanting to debate simply for fun. If he had posted in his first argument that he wanted this to be a vote-less debate, I would have respected that. Granted, I may not have accepted, but that's beside the point, really.

I do understand that in your case your opponent only set the restrictions to avoid losing and use sleazy debate tactics which I am against, but as a whole voteless debates shouldn't be something to be looked down upon.
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5/12/2014 7:18:59 PM
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At 5/12/2014 6:54:42 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:

I recommend reading "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu... 'know your enemies'.

I wish I could help, but I can't. I do wish you the best of luck in the future though.

YOU READ THE ART OF WAR?! = D

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5/12/2014 7:20:14 PM
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At 5/12/2014 7:18:59 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
At 5/12/2014 6:54:42 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:

I recommend reading "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu... 'know your enemies'.

I wish I could help, but I can't. I do wish you the best of luck in the future though.

YOU READ THE ART OF WAR?! = D

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I LOVED THAT BOOK!!!! ("Bookworm!"
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5/12/2014 7:35:50 PM
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At 5/12/2014 7:11:24 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Personally I don't have a problem with it. Before you accept the debate it should tell you what the voting conditions are, and if someone wants to set the conditions so no one can vote then I have no problem with that. Look at wrich; he hardly ever has people vote on his debates because he debates for the debate itself and tries to take the politics (voting) out of it.

But what wrich does is different. He makes it very clear in his Round 1 that it is a no-voting debate, and so people to respect his wishes and do not vote.
Nonprophet, on the other hand, makes it so that the person accepting doesn't even realize what they've done until it's too late.
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5/12/2014 7:36:49 PM
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At 5/12/2014 7:20:14 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 5/12/2014 7:18:59 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
At 5/12/2014 6:54:42 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:

I recommend reading "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu... 'know your enemies'.

I wish I could help, but I can't. I do wish you the best of luck in the future though.

YOU READ THE ART OF WAR?! = D

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I LOVED THAT BOOK!!!! ("Bookworm!"

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5/12/2014 7:40:04 PM
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At 5/12/2014 7:35:50 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 5/12/2014 7:11:24 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Personally I don't have a problem with it. Before you accept the debate it should tell you what the voting conditions are, and if someone wants to set the conditions so no one can vote then I have no problem with that. Look at wrich; he hardly ever has people vote on his debates because he debates for the debate itself and tries to take the politics (voting) out of it.

But what wrich does is different. He makes it very clear in his Round 1 that it is a no-voting debate, and so people to respect his wishes and do not vote.
Nonprophet, on the other hand, makes it so that the person accepting doesn't even realize what they've done until it's too late.

But whose fault is it that that person who accepted the debate didn't read the debate settings?
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5/12/2014 7:43:14 PM
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At 5/12/2014 7:40:04 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 5/12/2014 7:35:50 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 5/12/2014 7:11:24 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Personally I don't have a problem with it. Before you accept the debate it should tell you what the voting conditions are, and if someone wants to set the conditions so no one can vote then I have no problem with that. Look at wrich; he hardly ever has people vote on his debates because he debates for the debate itself and tries to take the politics (voting) out of it.

But what wrich does is different. He makes it very clear in his Round 1 that it is a no-voting debate, and so people to respect his wishes and do not vote.
Nonprophet, on the other hand, makes it so that the person accepting doesn't even realize what they've done until it's too late.

But whose fault is it that that person who accepted the debate didn't read the debate settings?

Well, this particular member is a bit new; he himself admitted that he didn't even know elo voting limits are possible before this debate.
Anyways, Mikal just used his elo to vote on that debate, and now nonprophet is threatening to call the mods lol...
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5/12/2014 7:44:46 PM
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At 5/12/2014 7:40:04 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 5/12/2014 7:35:50 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 5/12/2014 7:11:24 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Personally I don't have a problem with it. Before you accept the debate it should tell you what the voting conditions are, and if someone wants to set the conditions so no one can vote then I have no problem with that. Look at wrich; he hardly ever has people vote on his debates because he debates for the debate itself and tries to take the politics (voting) out of it.

But what wrich does is different. He makes it very clear in his Round 1 that it is a no-voting debate, and so people to respect his wishes and do not vote.
Nonprophet, on the other hand, makes it so that the person accepting doesn't even realize what they've done until it's too late.

But whose fault is it that that person who accepted the debate didn't read the debate settings?

The debate settings specified only I could vote, so I voted.
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5/12/2014 7:46:51 PM
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At 5/12/2014 7:43:14 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 5/12/2014 7:40:04 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 5/12/2014 7:35:50 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 5/12/2014 7:11:24 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Personally I don't have a problem with it. Before you accept the debate it should tell you what the voting conditions are, and if someone wants to set the conditions so no one can vote then I have no problem with that. Look at wrich; he hardly ever has people vote on his debates because he debates for the debate itself and tries to take the politics (voting) out of it.

But what wrich does is different. He makes it very clear in his Round 1 that it is a no-voting debate, and so people to respect his wishes and do not vote.
Nonprophet, on the other hand, makes it so that the person accepting doesn't even realize what they've done until it's too late.

But whose fault is it that that person who accepted the debate didn't read the debate settings?

Well, this particular member is a bit new; he himself admitted that he didn't even know elo voting limits are possible before this debate.
Anyways, Mikal just used his elo to vote on that debate, and now nonprophet is threatening to call the mods lol...

Lol that's silly
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5/12/2014 7:47:51 PM
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At 5/12/2014 7:44:46 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/12/2014 7:40:04 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 5/12/2014 7:35:50 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 5/12/2014 7:11:24 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Personally I don't have a problem with it. Before you accept the debate it should tell you what the voting conditions are, and if someone wants to set the conditions so no one can vote then I have no problem with that. Look at wrich; he hardly ever has people vote on his debates because he debates for the debate itself and tries to take the politics (voting) out of it.

But what wrich does is different. He makes it very clear in his Round 1 that it is a no-voting debate, and so people to respect his wishes and do not vote.
Nonprophet, on the other hand, makes it so that the person accepting doesn't even realize what they've done until it's too late.

But whose fault is it that that person who accepted the debate didn't read the debate settings?

The debate settings specified only I could vote, so I voted.

I'm cool with that. The instigator consented to the settings so you are definitely within grounds to vote on the debate.
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5/12/2014 7:52:45 PM
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At 5/12/2014 7:44:46 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/12/2014 7:40:04 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 5/12/2014 7:35:50 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 5/12/2014 7:11:24 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Personally I don't have a problem with it. Before you accept the debate it should tell you what the voting conditions are, and if someone wants to set the conditions so no one can vote then I have no problem with that. Look at wrich; he hardly ever has people vote on his debates because he debates for the debate itself and tries to take the politics (voting) out of it.

But what wrich does is different. He makes it very clear in his Round 1 that it is a no-voting debate, and so people to respect his wishes and do not vote.
Nonprophet, on the other hand, makes it so that the person accepting doesn't even realize what they've done until it's too late.

But whose fault is it that that person who accepted the debate didn't read the debate settings?

The debate settings specified only I could vote, so I voted.

lol
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5/12/2014 8:13:51 PM
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Yeah, there's...quite a show in the comment section. He's accusing me of being a liar and a cheater. I'm at a loss for words.
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5/12/2014 8:34:52 PM
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At 5/12/2014 7:43:14 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 5/12/2014 7:40:04 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
At 5/12/2014 7:35:50 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 5/12/2014 7:11:24 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Personally I don't have a problem with it. Before you accept the debate it should tell you what the voting conditions are, and if someone wants to set the conditions so no one can vote then I have no problem with that. Look at wrich; he hardly ever has people vote on his debates because he debates for the debate itself and tries to take the politics (voting) out of it.

But what wrich does is different. He makes it very clear in his Round 1 that it is a no-voting debate, and so people to respect his wishes and do not vote.
Nonprophet, on the other hand, makes it so that the person accepting doesn't even realize what they've done until it's too late.

But whose fault is it that that person who accepted the debate didn't read the debate settings?

Well, this particular member is a bit new; he himself admitted that he didn't even know elo voting limits are possible before this debate.
Anyways, Mikal just used his elo to vote on that debate, and now nonprophet is threatening to call the mods lol...

lol, that was excellent.
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5/13/2014 4:12:49 AM
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At 5/12/2014 5:24:22 PM, Amoranemix wrote:
How can one see the debate settings once the debate has been accepted (by someone else) ?
JohnMaynardKeynes
Unfortunately we can't. I was hoping that people could check whether they could vote so we could get an idea of what the restrictions are.
Suppose some members only want to read a debate if they can vote. What are they to do ?
In addition, there seems to be difficulty in getting enough voters for debates. So I think voting should be encouraged rather than discouraged. I would have voted on some debates, but didn't because I don't have voting rights.
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