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5/16/2014 1:52:38 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I just went through the open challenge debates, and I did not find one single resolution that had the potential to yield a decent debate. This is a serious issue for a website whose stated goal is to be the premier online debate site.

There are some very prolific debaters on this site. Where are they?
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5/16/2014 1:56:08 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/16/2014 1:52:38 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
I just went through the open challenge debates, and I did not find one single resolution that had the potential to yield a decent debate. This is a serious issue for a website whose stated goal is to be the premier online debate site.

There are some very prolific debaters on this site. Where are they?

What would you like to debate, Pots?
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5/16/2014 1:57:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/16/2014 1:52:38 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
I just went through the open challenge debates, and I did not find one single resolution that had the potential to yield a decent debate. This is a serious issue for a website whose stated goal is to be the premier online debate site.

There are some very prolific debaters on this site. Where are they?

Already involved in the good debates?
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5/16/2014 1:58:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/16/2014 1:52:38 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
I just went through the open challenge debates, and I did not find one single resolution that had the potential to yield a decent debate. This is a serious issue for a website whose stated goal is to be the premier online debate site.

There are some very prolific debaters on this site. Where are they?

Maybe they're all burned out because they've debated everything they want to debate already. I remember when I first joined, a lot of the prominent debater on this site would post open challenges fairly regularly, but they don't seem to do that anymore. There are a lot more debates to choose from now than there were then, but the quality has definitely diminished. Of course that could be a matter of personal preferences. None of the open debates now interest me that much.
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5/16/2014 2:03:57 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/16/2014 1:56:08 PM, YYW wrote:
At 5/16/2014 1:52:38 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
I just went through the open challenge debates, and I did not find one single resolution that had the potential to yield a decent debate. This is a serious issue for a website whose stated goal is to be the premier online debate site.

There are some very prolific debaters on this site. Where are they?

What would you like to debate, Pots?

Anything really. I am already full on debates at the moment, but I would love to debate you when they are done. I am simply frustrated that the only open debates are a load of sh!t. I joined six months ago, not a very long time, and it was way better than this. I hate think of what it might be like in another six months if this trend continues.
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5/16/2014 4:10:13 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Debates have been so de emphasized, it's sad. There's this guy I'm arguing with who not only won't debate me, he won't even *acknowledge* that I'm chile ging him to debate.
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5/16/2014 4:12:23 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/16/2014 1:52:38 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
I just went through the open challenge debates, and I did not find one single resolution that had the potential to yield a decent debate. This is a serious issue for a website whose stated goal is to be the premier online debate site.

There are some very prolific debaters on this site. Where are they?

Most of the good debaters don't post open challenges anymore.
They generally plan out debates with specific users beforehand and challenge them directly, nowadays.
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5/16/2014 4:14:24 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/16/2014 4:10:13 PM, thett3 wrote:
Debates have been so de emphasized, it's sad. There's this guy I'm arguing with who not only won't debate me, he won't even *acknowledge* that I'm challenging him to debate.

fixed
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5/16/2014 4:15:15 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/16/2014 4:14:24 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:10:13 PM, thett3 wrote:
Debates have been so de emphasized, it's sad. There's this guy I'm arguing with who not only won't debate me, he won't even *acknowledge* that I'm challenging him to debate.

fixed

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5/16/2014 4:18:37 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/16/2014 4:15:15 PM, YYW wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:14:24 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:10:13 PM, thett3 wrote:
Debates have been so de emphasized, it's sad. There's this guy I'm arguing with who not only won't debate me, he won't even *acknowledge* that I'm challenging him to debate.

fixed

Who is that?

Dylancatlow
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5/16/2014 4:18:59 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/16/2014 4:10:13 PM, thett3 wrote:
Debates have been so de emphasized, it's sad. There's this guy I'm arguing with who not only won't debate me, he won't even *acknowledge* that I'm chile ging him to debate.

Im in the same boat with two different people. Only, i'm pretty sure that its because they know that there is no evidence for their argument, and they would lose.
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5/16/2014 4:24:54 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/16/2014 4:18:37 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:15:15 PM, YYW wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:14:24 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:10:13 PM, thett3 wrote:
Debates have been so de emphasized, it's sad. There's this guy I'm arguing with who not only won't debate me, he won't even *acknowledge* that I'm challenging him to debate.

fixed

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Dylancatlow

What's the topic?
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5/16/2014 4:27:44 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/16/2014 4:24:54 PM, YYW wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:18:37 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:15:15 PM, YYW wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:14:24 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:10:13 PM, thett3 wrote:
Debates have been so de emphasized, it's sad. There's this guy I'm arguing with who not only won't debate me, he won't even *acknowledge* that I'm challenging him to debate.

fixed

Who is that?

Dylancatlow

What's the topic?

He said that Europeans showed the Australian aborigines how to live a life that is less "savage". I came back with the fact that Western society has it's own savagery, like destroying the environment, large scale war, and soul crushing labor. He didn't really understand any of these points, so he just argued straw men and wouldn't acknowledge my challenge to debate him on the resolution "The west is morally superior to hunter gatherer societies" with me on neg.
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5/16/2014 4:38:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/16/2014 4:27:44 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:24:54 PM, YYW wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:18:37 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:15:15 PM, YYW wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:14:24 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:10:13 PM, thett3 wrote:
Debates have been so de emphasized, it's sad. There's this guy I'm arguing with who not only won't debate me, he won't even *acknowledge* that I'm challenging him to debate.

fixed

Who is that?

Dylancatlow

What's the topic?

He said that Europeans showed the Australian aborigines how to live a life that is less "savage". I came back with the fact that Western society has it's own savagery, like destroying the environment, large scale war, and soul crushing labor. He didn't really understand any of these points, so he just argued straw men and wouldn't acknowledge my challenge to debate him on the resolution "The west is morally superior to hunter gatherer societies" with me on neg.

I mean, Europeans did, to some extent, teach/show the Aborigines how to live in accordance with European social norms -and if you're measuring savagery by comparing it to the degree to which a society confirms to European social norms, then Dylan's argument holds. Whether that's a sufficient metric or not would most probably be contentious... though that's generally how (despite the anti-Multiculturalist/anti-pluralist/politically incorrectness/etc.) Westerners judge other cultures.

Even still, "savagery" can be defined either as being "fierce or cruel" or as "an uncivilized or undeveloped living state." While war/war-like conflict occurred both in Aboriginal cultures and in Europe, that doesn't really seem like much of a turning point for me. The environmental point might carry, but by definition Europe and the west are 'the first world' and other countries, and it's hard to argue that (at least with to that latter definition of savagery) the Aborigines are "developed" in any meaningful way.
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5/16/2014 4:48:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/16/2014 4:38:11 PM, YYW wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:27:44 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:24:54 PM, YYW wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:18:37 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:15:15 PM, YYW wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:14:24 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:10:13 PM, thett3 wrote:
Debates have been so de emphasized, it's sad. There's this guy I'm arguing with who not only won't debate me, he won't even *acknowledge* that I'm challenging him to debate.

fixed

Who is that?

Dylancatlow

What's the topic?

He said that Europeans showed the Australian aborigines how to live a life that is less "savage". I came back with the fact that Western society has it's own savagery, like destroying the environment, large scale war, and soul crushing labor. He didn't really understand any of these points, so he just argued straw men and wouldn't acknowledge my challenge to debate him on the resolution "The west is morally superior to hunter gatherer societies" with me on neg.

I mean, Europeans did, to some extent, teach/show the Aborigines how to live in accordance with European social norms -and if you're measuring savagery by comparing it to the degree to which a society confirms to European social norms, then Dylan's argument holds. Whether that's a sufficient metric or not would most probably be contentious... though that's generally how (despite the anti-Multiculturalist/anti-pluralist/politically incorrectness/etc.) Westerners judge other cultures.

Exactly, and his arguments lacked the warrant that the European way is the better way. As a matter of fact, the whole "oh all cultures are equal and great in their own way" isnt even a position I buy, but the ignorance and cultural snobbery in his post was too much for me.


Even still, "savagery" can be defined either as being "fierce or cruel" or as "an uncivilized or undeveloped living state."

It was most certainly using the first definition.

While war/war-like conflict occurred both in Aboriginal cultures and in Europe, that doesn't really seem like much of a turning point for me. The environmental point might carry, but by definition Europe and the west are 'the first world' and other countries, and it's hard to argue that (at least with to that latter definition of savagery) the Aborigines are "developed" in any meaningful way.

The environmental point most certainly carries. His basic argument was that European society was better because it utilized more intelligence. The environmental impact turns that, because our "intelligence" is literally destroying the world meaning is utility is negative.

Keep in mind that this isn't a position I necessarily endorse.
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5/16/2014 4:52:19 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/16/2014 4:48:11 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:38:11 PM, YYW wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:27:44 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:24:54 PM, YYW wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:18:37 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:15:15 PM, YYW wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:14:24 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:10:13 PM, thett3 wrote:
Debates have been so de emphasized, it's sad. There's this guy I'm arguing with who not only won't debate me, he won't even *acknowledge* that I'm challenging him to debate.

fixed

Who is that?

Dylancatlow

What's the topic?

He said that Europeans showed the Australian aborigines how to live a life that is less "savage". I came back with the fact that Western society has it's own savagery, like destroying the environment, large scale war, and soul crushing labor. He didn't really understand any of these points, so he just argued straw men and wouldn't acknowledge my challenge to debate him on the resolution "The west is morally superior to hunter gatherer societies" with me on neg.

I mean, Europeans did, to some extent, teach/show the Aborigines how to live in accordance with European social norms -and if you're measuring savagery by comparing it to the degree to which a society confirms to European social norms, then Dylan's argument holds. Whether that's a sufficient metric or not would most probably be contentious... though that's generally how (despite the anti-Multiculturalist/anti-pluralist/politically incorrectness/etc.) Westerners judge other cultures.

Exactly, and his arguments lacked the warrant that the European way is the better way. As a matter of fact, the whole "oh all cultures are equal and great in their own way" isnt even a position I buy, but the ignorance and cultural snobbery in his post was too much for me.

Getting a "White Man's Burden" type feel to it? lol

Even still, "savagery" can be defined either as being "fierce or cruel" or as "an uncivilized or undeveloped living state."

It was most certainly using the first definition.

lol, well... that's interesting.

While war/war-like conflict occurred both in Aboriginal cultures and in Europe, that doesn't really seem like much of a turning point for me. The environmental point might carry, but by definition Europe and the west are 'the first world' and other countries, and it's hard to argue that (at least with to that latter definition of savagery) the Aborigines are "developed" in any meaningful way.

The environmental point most certainly carries. His basic argument was that European society was better because it utilized more intelligence. The environmental impact turns that, because our "intelligence" is literally destroying the world meaning is utility is negative.

Sure, but it's not necessarily "savage."

Keep in mind that this isn't a position I necessarily endorse.
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5/16/2014 4:54:54 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
"Where are all the good debates?" They all died with the advent of semantics, political correctness and the race card.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

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5/16/2014 5:31:18 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/16/2014 4:18:59 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:10:13 PM, thett3 wrote:
Debates have been so de emphasized, it's sad. There's this guy I'm arguing with who not only won't debate me, he won't even *acknowledge* that I'm chile ging him to debate.


Im in the same boat with two different people. Only, i'm pretty sure that its because they know that there is no evidence for their argument, and they would lose.

My educated guesses: Fatihah and bulproof
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5/16/2014 5:58:36 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/16/2014 4:54:54 PM, sadolite wrote:
"Where are all the good debates?" They all died with the advent of semantics, political correctness and the race card.

Semantics and anybody mentioning morality is automatically forced into a relativism debate.
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5/16/2014 6:02:58 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/16/2014 5:58:36 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:54:54 PM, sadolite wrote:
"Where are all the good debates?" They all died with the advent of semantics, political correctness and the race card.

Semantics and anybody mentioning morality is automatically forced into a relativism debate.

Ya , those are utterly boring debates. neither side willing to take a stand. I like to call them puzzy debates
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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5/16/2014 6:05:06 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/16/2014 6:02:58 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 5/16/2014 5:58:36 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:54:54 PM, sadolite wrote:
"Where are all the good debates?" They all died with the advent of semantics, political correctness and the race card.

Semantics and anybody mentioning morality is automatically forced into a relativism debate.

Ya , those are utterly boring debates. neither side willing to take a stand. I like to call them puzzy debates

The problem is that it prevents debate, because you cannot even agree on the common ground on which to debate. Thus people don't even try to debate certain topics anymore because they won't end up debating what they set out to debate.
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5/16/2014 6:09:10 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/16/2014 4:27:44 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:24:54 PM, YYW wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:18:37 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:15:15 PM, YYW wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:14:24 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:10:13 PM, thett3 wrote:
Debates have been so de emphasized, it's sad. There's this guy I'm arguing with who not only won't debate me, he won't even *acknowledge* that I'm challenging him to debate.

fixed

Who is that?

Dylancatlow

What's the topic?

He said that Europeans showed the Australian aborigines how to live a life that is less "savage". I came back with the fact that Western society has it's own savagery, like destroying the environment, large scale war, and soul crushing labor.

I'll say it again: it's essentially the difference between adults and children (in terms of development). Coming up with parallels to this analogy is very easy.

He didn't really understand any of these points, so he just argued straw men and wouldn't acknowledge my challenge to debate him on the resolution

I don't want to debate this issue with anyone who is too sensitive about it (which you evidently are).
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5/16/2014 6:43:24 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/16/2014 5:31:18 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:18:59 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:10:13 PM, thett3 wrote:
Debates have been so de emphasized, it's sad. There's this guy I'm arguing with who not only won't debate me, he won't even *acknowledge* that I'm chile ging him to debate.


Im in the same boat with two different people. Only, i'm pretty sure that its because they know that there is no evidence for their argument, and they would lose.

My educated guesses: Fatihah and bulproof

Is bulproof a troll?
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5/16/2014 8:00:52 PM
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5/17/2014 12:49:59 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/16/2014 6:09:10 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:27:44 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:24:54 PM, YYW wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:18:37 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:15:15 PM, YYW wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:14:24 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/16/2014 4:10:13 PM, thett3 wrote:
Debates have been so de emphasized, it's sad. There's this guy I'm arguing with who not only won't debate me, he won't even *acknowledge* that I'm challenging him to debate.

fixed

Who is that?

Dylancatlow

What's the topic?

He said that Europeans showed the Australian aborigines how to live a life that is less "savage". I came back with the fact that Western society has it's own savagery, like destroying the environment, large scale war, and soul crushing labor.

I'll say it again: it's essentially the difference between adults and children (in terms of development). Coming up with parallels to this analogy is very easy.

He didn't really understand any of these points, so he just argued straw men and wouldn't acknowledge my challenge to debate him on the resolution


I don't want to debate this issue with anyone who is too sensitive about it (which you evidently are).

That's the excuse of an intellectual coward. I'm not even remotely sensitive on the issue, I've said in this thread it isn't even a position I really endorse. I just think your arguments are really, really bad and snobbish. Even if I *was* sensitive on the issue that's even more reason to debate me because I have passion for the position.

You can keep making excuses, but no one is going to believe them. As it is the fact that you refused to even *acknowledge* that I asked you to debate *multiple times* and then come up with an incredibly lame excuse for why you don't want to shows quite clearly that you're too scared to back up your position for some reason.
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: At 11/12/2016 11:49:40 PM, Raisor wrote:
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