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Ragnar
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5/17/2014 7:16:23 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
This is very minor, but for some reason it irks me.

Choose Winner is a debate option to limit voters to casting their seven votes for either or, without division based on areas of performance. I strongly believe this should be changed to one vote.

As Mhykiel put it, under the Choose Winner system "some one is not winning by 21 votes. They are winning by 3."

I have already posted this in the suggestions thread (http://www.debate.org...), but I am hoping for either support, or criticism in case I am overlooking something.
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5/17/2014 9:11:55 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/17/2014 7:16:23 AM, Ragnar wrote:
This is very minor, but for some reason it irks me.

Choose Winner is a debate option to limit voters to casting their seven votes for either or, without division based on areas of performance. I strongly believe this should be changed to one vote.

As Mhykiel put it, under the Choose Winner system "some one is not winning by 21 votes. They are winning by 3."

I have already posted this in the suggestions thread (http://www.debate.org...), but I am hoping for either support, or criticism in case I am overlooking something.

What difference does it make, though? I guess they left it 7 because debates usually are won by a considerably amount of points. If it is just 3-0, it would look like the one who won barely managed to win as opposed to a 21-0 score.
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5/17/2014 9:31:04 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/17/2014 7:16:23 AM, Ragnar wrote:
This is very minor, but for some reason it irks me.

Choose Winner is a debate option to limit voters to casting their seven votes for either or, without division based on areas of performance. I strongly believe this should be changed to one vote.

As Mhykiel put it, under the Choose Winner system "some one is not winning by 21 votes. They are winning by 3."

I have already posted this in the suggestions thread (http://www.debate.org...), but I am hoping for either support, or criticism in case I am overlooking something.

Why does it matter? If one person each votes for and against me, it would be 1-1 instead of 7-7; regardless, it's still a tie, and can be broken with one more vote.
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5/17/2014 2:04:55 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
1. The number blatantly misrepresents the win/loss margins (yes, I'm aware this is actually NiqashMotawadi3's argument in favor of leaving it at 7) .

2. It's needlessly confusing, as instead of one person one vote, it's one person a seemingly random number of votes.

3. If it's going to be a random number, and what random number it is doesn't matter, why not have it be say 47.3? My answer to this is point 2, it's needlessly confusing and should therefore be the simple one vote.
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5/17/2014 2:08:02 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/17/2014 7:16:23 AM, Ragnar wrote:
This is very minor, but for some reason it irks me.

Choose Winner is a debate option to limit voters to casting their seven votes for either or, without division based on areas of performance. I strongly believe this should be changed to one vote.

As Mhykiel put it, under the Choose Winner system "some one is not winning by 21 votes. They are winning by 3."

I have already posted this in the suggestions thread (http://www.debate.org...), but I am hoping for either support, or criticism in case I am overlooking something.

I understand where you're coming from, in that the perception of having 7, 14, 21, etc. points cast against you makes it seem as if the margin of victory is wider than it is. But, I also think that most of us realize that votes are cast in blocs of 7, which undermines that psychological impact.

It's irksome, but I don't think it's an especially pressing problem. I'm just happy we've got the new voter update thing.
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5/17/2014 2:24:10 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/17/2014 2:04:55 PM, Ragnar wrote:
1. The number blatantly misrepresents the win/loss margins (yes, I'm aware this is actually NiqashMotawadi3's argument in favor of leaving it at 7) .


The win/loss margins are relative. If one vote was worth, say, 1 million points, that's still a big of a margin in real votes as if one vote was worth 1 point. It doesn't matter.
2. It's needlessly confusing, as instead of one person one vote, it's one person a seemingly random number of votes.


Admittedly, it is random, but again, there is no benefit in taking the time to alter the code to amend it.
3. If it's going to be a random number, and what random number it is doesn't matter, why not have it be say 47.3? My answer to this is point 2, it's needlessly confusing and should therefore be the simple one vote.

Again, it doesn't matter if it was 1, 7, or 8743.84. Each number is worth exactly one vote, and that's it.
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5/17/2014 2:52:00 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I don't see the issue with it. We finally got it updated, which I am happy about in and of itself. The number can represent anything form 1 - 1billion. As long as each vote is counted equally, it is still on a 1 to 1 scale

There is no need to change it other than looks
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5/18/2014 12:37:37 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
As I stated at the beginning, "this is very minor."

As Mikal pointed out "there is no need to change it other than looks," which if aesthetics of a website matter, it remains a problem (even if a minor one).

While I am not suggesting any type of emergency update, I still believe it's an item for whatever to-do list the developers have. I suppose I merely prefer improving things, even when they are already good enough.
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5/18/2014 1:27:40 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I agree with Ragnar. It doesn't really affect anything, but displaying votes rather than points for the select winner option is more intuitive.
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5/18/2014 9:52:28 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/17/2014 7:16:23 AM, Ragnar wrote:
This is very minor, but for some reason it irks me.

Choose Winner is a debate option to limit voters to casting their seven votes for either or, without division based on areas of performance. I strongly believe this should be changed to one vote.

As Mhykiel put it, under the Choose Winner system "some one is not winning by 21 votes. They are winning by 3."


I agree, but I assume that the way Juggle programmed it was essentially to just overlay the new system on the old system. So basically "IF JUDGE VOTES FOR CONTENDER, AWARD THEM ALL 7 POINTS UNDER OLD SYSTEM."

I have no idea how hard it would be to change it to 1 point, so it's not a big deal. It might be quite hard -- I have no idea.

I would personally like to be able to change the wording for the "pick winner" option. I'd prefer it be called "Classic" or "Competitive Debate" or something. And say "The Better Debating Was Done By __________." And I'd like the character limit changed (to no limit). And I'd like instigator to be able to set a minimum # of characters for an RFD (say 1000 minimum, to eliminate stupid one line RFD's, and if someone posted "lasdjflajsdfjalsdfalkdsfajlsdfjaklsdfjasdlfjasdfklajdsfl" to hit the limit, you could have the mod remove the vote).

But that's just my priorities. All seem pretty little, but the minimum characters for RFD could be a cool feature. NEXT PRESIDENT TAKE NOTICE.

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5/27/2014 12:08:40 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
One additional thought I had, which is very much related... I miss the "Who did you agree with before/after" voting options on these new debates. While many users did not use them, they gave useful insight.

At 5/18/2014 9:52:28 PM, bluesteel wrote:
I have no idea how hard it would be to change it to 1 point, so it's not a big deal. It might be quite hard -- I have no idea.
Very true, if it would be difficult than it'd be wasteful. I merely make a presumption of it being a small change to one file.

I would personally like to be able to change the wording for the "pick winner" option. I'd prefer it be called "Classic" or "Competitive Debate" or something.
Categorical, or All In?

And I'd like the character limit changed (to no limit). And I'd like instigator to be able to set a minimum # of characters for an RFD (say 1000 minimum...)
I wholly agree with no maximum (some people are using google docs for RFDs...), however anyone setting a minimum of 1000 would quickly regret it, due to FFs (until such time as those automatically award points).
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5/27/2014 12:15:44 AM
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This is very minor, but for some reason it irks me.

I always confuse you with Ragnar_Rahl...
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5/27/2014 12:17:24 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/27/2014 12:15:44 AM, R0b1Billion wrote:
This is very minor, but for some reason it irks me.

I always confuse you with Ragnar_Rahl...

wait are you the guy of legend who pulled a knife of Danielle for a joke

pls say its you senpai
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5/27/2014 12:30:55 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Mikal vs. tbhidc

70-49

Seems like Mikal won by a substantial majority, no?

10-7

Not at all, actually...

I completely agree with the OP.
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5/27/2014 12:33:57 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/27/2014 12:17:24 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:15:44 AM, R0b1Billion wrote:
This is very minor, but for some reason it irks me.

I always confuse you with Ragnar_Rahl...

wait are you the guy of legend who pulled a knife of Danielle for a joke

pls say its you senpai

No... Cosmicalfonzo was that guy. Rob is the guy who Cosmic was visiting. And Danielle has nothing to do with that story
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5/27/2014 12:35:22 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/27/2014 12:33:57 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:17:24 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:15:44 AM, R0b1Billion wrote:
This is very minor, but for some reason it irks me.

I always confuse you with Ragnar_Rahl...

wait are you the guy of legend who pulled a knife of Danielle for a joke

pls say its you senpai

No... Cosmicalfonzo was that guy. Rob is the guy who Cosmic was visiting. And Danielle has nothing to do with that story

i is so lost
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5/27/2014 12:38:18 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/27/2014 12:35:22 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:33:57 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:17:24 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:15:44 AM, R0b1Billion wrote:
This is very minor, but for some reason it irks me.

I always confuse you with Ragnar_Rahl...

wait are you the guy of legend who pulled a knife of Danielle for a joke

pls say its you senpai

No... Cosmicalfonzo was that guy. Rob is the guy who Cosmic was visiting. And Danielle has nothing to do with that story

i is so lost

Rob (the guy you replied to) met up with Cosmic one evening some time ago with some of his friends. Cosmic pulled a knife on Rob and his friends as a joke (which is a heck of a first impression).

Danielle has nothing to do with this story.
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5/27/2014 12:40:21 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/27/2014 12:38:18 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:35:22 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:33:57 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:17:24 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:15:44 AM, R0b1Billion wrote:
This is very minor, but for some reason it irks me.

I always confuse you with Ragnar_Rahl...

wait are you the guy of legend who pulled a knife of Danielle for a joke

pls say its you senpai

No... Cosmicalfonzo was that guy. Rob is the guy who Cosmic was visiting. And Danielle has nothing to do with that story

i is so lost

Rob (the guy you replied to) met up with Cosmic one evening some time ago with some of his friends. Cosmic pulled a knife on Rob and his friends as a joke (which is a heck of a first impression).

Danielle has nothing to do with this story.

then i concede i guess that was the tulle one XD?
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5/27/2014 12:45:26 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/27/2014 12:40:21 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:38:18 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:35:22 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:33:57 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:17:24 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:15:44 AM, R0b1Billion wrote:
This is very minor, but for some reason it irks me.

I always confuse you with Ragnar_Rahl...

wait are you the guy of legend who pulled a knife of Danielle for a joke

pls say its you senpai

No... Cosmicalfonzo was that guy. Rob is the guy who Cosmic was visiting. And Danielle has nothing to do with that story

i is so lost

Rob (the guy you replied to) met up with Cosmic one evening some time ago with some of his friends. Cosmic pulled a knife on Rob and his friends as a joke (which is a heck of a first impression).

Danielle has nothing to do with this story.

then i concede i guess that was the tulle one XD?

Correct. I think you conflated the two stories. Tulle and Maikuru met up with Danielle. Danielle didn't pull a knife on them.
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5/27/2014 12:57:23 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/27/2014 12:45:26 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:40:21 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:38:18 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:35:22 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:33:57 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:17:24 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:15:44 AM, R0b1Billion wrote:
This is very minor, but for some reason it irks me.

I always confuse you with Ragnar_Rahl...

wait are you the guy of legend who pulled a knife of Danielle for a joke

pls say its you senpai

No... Cosmicalfonzo was that guy. Rob is the guy who Cosmic was visiting. And Danielle has nothing to do with that story

i is so lost

Rob (the guy you replied to) met up with Cosmic one evening some time ago with some of his friends. Cosmic pulled a knife on Rob and his friends as a joke (which is a heck of a first impression).

Danielle has nothing to do with this story.

then i concede i guess that was the tulle one XD?

Correct. I think you conflated the two stories. Tulle and Maikuru met up with Danielle. Danielle didn't pull a knife on them.

not that we know of
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5/27/2014 1:00:16 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/27/2014 12:57:23 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:45:26 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:40:21 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:38:18 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:35:22 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:33:57 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:17:24 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:15:44 AM, R0b1Billion wrote:
This is very minor, but for some reason it irks me.

I always confuse you with Ragnar_Rahl...

wait are you the guy of legend who pulled a knife of Danielle for a joke

pls say its you senpai

No... Cosmicalfonzo was that guy. Rob is the guy who Cosmic was visiting. And Danielle has nothing to do with that story

i is so lost

Rob (the guy you replied to) met up with Cosmic one evening some time ago with some of his friends. Cosmic pulled a knife on Rob and his friends as a joke (which is a heck of a first impression).

Danielle has nothing to do with this story.

then i concede i guess that was the tulle one XD?

Correct. I think you conflated the two stories. Tulle and Maikuru met up with Danielle. Danielle didn't pull a knife on them.

not that we know of

Tulle made a thread about it after they met up... If Danielle pulled a knife on them (intentionally invoking the Cosmic incident) Tulle would have mentioned that because it would have been hilarious (in a dark inside-joke kind of way).
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5/27/2014 1:00:53 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/27/2014 1:00:16 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:57:23 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:45:26 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:40:21 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:38:18 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:35:22 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:33:57 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:17:24 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:15:44 AM, R0b1Billion wrote:
This is very minor, but for some reason it irks me.

I always confuse you with Ragnar_Rahl...

wait are you the guy of legend who pulled a knife of Danielle for a joke

pls say its you senpai

No... Cosmicalfonzo was that guy. Rob is the guy who Cosmic was visiting. And Danielle has nothing to do with that story

i is so lost

Rob (the guy you replied to) met up with Cosmic one evening some time ago with some of his friends. Cosmic pulled a knife on Rob and his friends as a joke (which is a heck of a first impression).

Danielle has nothing to do with this story.

then i concede i guess that was the tulle one XD?

Correct. I think you conflated the two stories. Tulle and Maikuru met up with Danielle. Danielle didn't pull a knife on them.

not that we know of

Tulle made a thread about it after they met up... If Danielle pulled a knife on them (intentionally invoking the Cosmic incident) Tulle would have mentioned that because it would have been hilarious (in a dark inside-joke kind of way).

well if i ever meet someone on here, ill make sure to use a gun instead
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5/27/2014 1:04:52 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/27/2014 12:45:26 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:40:21 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:38:18 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:35:22 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:33:57 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:17:24 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:15:44 AM, R0b1Billion wrote:
This is very minor, but for some reason it irks me.

I always confuse you with Ragnar_Rahl...

wait are you the guy of legend who pulled a knife of Danielle for a joke

pls say its you senpai

No... Cosmicalfonzo was that guy. Rob is the guy who Cosmic was visiting. And Danielle has nothing to do with that story

i is so lost

Rob (the guy you replied to) met up with Cosmic one evening some time ago with some of his friends. Cosmic pulled a knife on Rob and his friends as a joke (which is a heck of a first impression).

Danielle has nothing to do with this story.

then i concede i guess that was the tulle one XD?

Correct. I think you conflated the two stories. Tulle and Maikuru met up with Danielle. Danielle didn't pull a knife on them.

What a wasted opportunity, jk.
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5/27/2014 1:05:32 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/27/2014 1:00:53 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 1:00:16 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:57:23 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:45:26 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:40:21 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:38:18 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:35:22 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:33:57 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:17:24 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:15:44 AM, R0b1Billion wrote:
This is very minor, but for some reason it irks me.

I always confuse you with Ragnar_Rahl...

wait are you the guy of legend who pulled a knife of Danielle for a joke

pls say its you senpai

No... Cosmicalfonzo was that guy. Rob is the guy who Cosmic was visiting. And Danielle has nothing to do with that story

i is so lost

Rob (the guy you replied to) met up with Cosmic one evening some time ago with some of his friends. Cosmic pulled a knife on Rob and his friends as a joke (which is a heck of a first impression).

Danielle has nothing to do with this story.

then i concede i guess that was the tulle one XD?

Correct. I think you conflated the two stories. Tulle and Maikuru met up with Danielle. Danielle didn't pull a knife on them.

not that we know of

Tulle made a thread about it after they met up... If Danielle pulled a knife on them (intentionally invoking the Cosmic incident) Tulle would have mentioned that because it would have been hilarious (in a dark inside-joke kind of way).

well if i ever meet someone on here, ill make sure to use a gun instead

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5/27/2014 1:09:48 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/27/2014 1:04:52 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:45:26 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:40:21 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:38:18 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:35:22 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:33:57 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:17:24 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:15:44 AM, R0b1Billion wrote:
This is very minor, but for some reason it irks me.

I always confuse you with Ragnar_Rahl...

wait are you the guy of legend who pulled a knife of Danielle for a joke

pls say its you senpai

No... Cosmicalfonzo was that guy. Rob is the guy who Cosmic was visiting. And Danielle has nothing to do with that story

i is so lost

Rob (the guy you replied to) met up with Cosmic one evening some time ago with some of his friends. Cosmic pulled a knife on Rob and his friends as a joke (which is a heck of a first impression).

Danielle has nothing to do with this story.

then i concede i guess that was the tulle one XD?

Correct. I think you conflated the two stories. Tulle and Maikuru met up with Danielle. Danielle didn't pull a knife on them.

What a wasted opportunity, jk.

haha I wish I could find the thread, but I think Tulle alluded to that happening as a joke... Naturally only a few of us actually got the joke... she then said they had a good time and that Danielle didn't actually do anything weird like that. But yeah, wasted opportunity on Danielle's part for some overly dark humor. To Danielle's credit, I think she understands the importance of a first impression.
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5/27/2014 1:10:35 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/27/2014 1:05:32 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 5/27/2014 1:00:53 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 1:00:16 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:57:23 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:45:26 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:40:21 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:38:18 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:35:22 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:33:57 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:17:24 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:15:44 AM, R0b1Billion wrote:
This is very minor, but for some reason it irks me.

I always confuse you with Ragnar_Rahl...

wait are you the guy of legend who pulled a knife of Danielle for a joke

pls say its you senpai

No... Cosmicalfonzo was that guy. Rob is the guy who Cosmic was visiting. And Danielle has nothing to do with that story

i is so lost

Rob (the guy you replied to) met up with Cosmic one evening some time ago with some of his friends. Cosmic pulled a knife on Rob and his friends as a joke (which is a heck of a first impression).

Danielle has nothing to do with this story.

then i concede i guess that was the tulle one XD?

Correct. I think you conflated the two stories. Tulle and Maikuru met up with Danielle. Danielle didn't pull a knife on them.

not that we know of

Tulle made a thread about it after they met up... If Danielle pulled a knife on them (intentionally invoking the Cosmic incident) Tulle would have mentioned that because it would have been hilarious (in a dark inside-joke kind of way).

well if i ever meet someone on here, ill make sure to use a gun instead

Nunchucks, man.

Much more awesome.
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5/27/2014 10:22:51 PM
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At 5/27/2014 12:15:44 AM, R0b1Billion wrote:
This is very minor, but for some reason it irks me.

I always confuse you with Ragnar_Rahl...

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5/28/2014 9:13:01 AM
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At 5/27/2014 12:17:24 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/27/2014 12:15:44 AM, R0b1Billion wrote:
This is very minor, but for some reason it irks me.

I always confuse you with Ragnar_Rahl...

wait are you the guy of legend who pulled a knife of Danielle for a joke

pls say its you senpai

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