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5/21/2014 8:58:29 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I'm not going to argue it anymore. I was a douche to all of you. There's no excuse for that. I'm going to try my best from this post on to be only be a slight bit of a Jack@ss. All I ask, is for some cooperation from you guys as well.

By announcing I was wrong publicly, I hope you guys can at least try to give me a shot. If I continue being a jack@ss constantly, following this post, then go right on ahead.

I don't plan on being so dickish anymore, so I'll respect you guys, if you at least tolerate me.
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5/21/2014 9:00:30 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Even when you're trying your hardest, you can't be genuine....
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into - Jonathan Swift (paraphrase)
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5/21/2014 9:01:16 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/21/2014 9:00:30 PM, bluesteel wrote:
Even when you're trying your hardest, you can't be genuine....

Please at least tolerate me. I'll try my best to treat you with the respect you deserve. Cut the insults out
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5/21/2014 9:01:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Thank you. This post illustrates that you are someone who can be respectable and thus deserving of respect. This was the right thing to do and I have a newfound respect for you because you did it. I tip my hat.
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5/21/2014 9:02:44 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/21/2014 9:01:49 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
Thank you. This post illustrates that you are someone who can be respectable and thus deserving of respect. This was the right thing to do and I have a newfound respect for you because you did it. I tip my hat.

Thanks. I have always had a........... temper. I often scare people in person. I can't always control it, but I'm going to at least try here.
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5/21/2014 9:03:04 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/21/2014 9:01:16 PM, Csareo wrote:
At 5/21/2014 9:00:30 PM, bluesteel wrote:
Even when you're trying your hardest, you can't be genuine....

Please at least tolerate me. I'll try my best to treat you with the respect you deserve. Cut the insults out

That's better.

I hate hedged apologies, but this one is better.
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5/21/2014 9:04:58 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/21/2014 9:02:44 PM, Csareo wrote:
At 5/21/2014 9:01:49 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
Thank you. This post illustrates that you are someone who can be respectable and thus deserving of respect. This was the right thing to do and I have a newfound respect for you because you did it. I tip my hat.

Thanks. I have always had a........... temper. I often scare people in person. I can't always control it, but I'm going to at least try here.

We all struggle when we feel like we are being treated unfairly. I understand.

The wise man will take the high road and search for the most constructive way to solve the issue. I look forward to seeing you do so.
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5/21/2014 9:07:10 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Jif, I'd like to thank you for stepping up and trying to be proactive about remedying damaged relationships and I hope that everyone can give everyone else a second chance. If things between any members get heated, always try to take deep breaths and if needed, just contact Airmax or myself. It is always so much easier to resolve conflicts before they explode.
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5/21/2014 9:22:04 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/21/2014 8:58:29 PM, Csareo wrote:
I'm not going to argue it anymore. I was a douche to all of you. There's no excuse for that. I'm going to try my best from this post on to be only be a slight bit of a Jack@ss. All I ask, is for some cooperation from you guys as well.

By announcing I was wrong publicly, I hope you guys can at least try to give me a shot. If I continue being a jack@ss constantly, following this post, then go right on ahead.

I don't plan on being so dickish anymore, so I'll respect you guys, if you at least tolerate me.

I appreciate that, and I respect what you have said here. I am more than happy to move on.

I hope that we don't ever have to dwell on the past and can just move forward.

If you need anything at all, always feel free to contact me.
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5/21/2014 9:30:58 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/21/2014 9:26:57 PM, XLAV wrote:


Frackin' perfect!
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5/21/2014 9:32:10 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/21/2014 8:58:29 PM, Csareo wrote:
I'm not going to argue it anymore. I was a douche to all of you. There's no excuse for that. I'm going to try my best from this post on to be only be a slight bit of a Jack@ss. All I ask, is for some cooperation from you guys as well.

By announcing I was wrong publicly, I hope you guys can at least try to give me a shot. If I continue being a jack@ss constantly, following this post, then go right on ahead.

I don't plan on being so dickish anymore, so I'll respect you guys, if you at least tolerate me.

So, you admit to being a pain in the @ss on purpose, while tarnishing others' reputation, for what, fun?
So, how much of your raging against Airmax was actually true, then?
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5/21/2014 9:33:22 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/21/2014 9:32:10 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/21/2014 8:58:29 PM, Csareo wrote:
I'm not going to argue it anymore. I was a douche to all of you. There's no excuse for that. I'm going to try my best from this post on to be only be a slight bit of a Jack@ss. All I ask, is for some cooperation from you guys as well.

By announcing I was wrong publicly, I hope you guys can at least try to give me a shot. If I continue being a jack@ss constantly, following this post, then go right on ahead.

I don't plan on being so dickish anymore, so I'll respect you guys, if you at least tolerate me.

So, you admit to being a pain in the @ss on purpose, while tarnishing others' reputation, for what, fun?
So, how much of your raging against Airmax was actually true, then?

I admit to being an unintentional jack@ss. I still don't fully agree with how Airmax handled it, but I honsestly don't care anymore.

It hardly changes anything
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5/21/2014 9:36:20 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I think it's great you gave this apology.

Do you plan to continue running Insurgents games? If not I'd love to run one myself, it's a great concept.
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5/21/2014 9:41:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/21/2014 9:36:20 PM, TN05 wrote:
I think it's great you gave this apology.

Do you plan to continue running Insurgents games? If not I'd love to run one myself, it's a great concept.

Yeah, I do. I'll restart the old ones. Just give me some time
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5/21/2014 9:42:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/21/2014 9:33:22 PM, Csareo wrote:
At 5/21/2014 9:32:10 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/21/2014 8:58:29 PM, Csareo wrote:
I'm not going to argue it anymore. I was a douche to all of you. There's no excuse for that. I'm going to try my best from this post on to be only be a slight bit of a Jack@ss. All I ask, is for some cooperation from you guys as well.

By announcing I was wrong publicly, I hope you guys can at least try to give me a shot. If I continue being a jack@ss constantly, following this post, then go right on ahead.

I don't plan on being so dickish anymore, so I'll respect you guys, if you at least tolerate me.

So, you admit to being a pain in the @ss on purpose, while tarnishing others' reputation, for what, fun?
So, how much of your raging against Airmax was actually true, then?

I admit to being an unintentional jack@ss. I still don't fully agree with how Airmax handled it, but I honsestly don't care anymore.

It hardly changes anything

Then your apology means nothing.
You can't say "I don't care anymore, sorry, I guess" and say that you're a jack@ss and expect to believe you will/have changed.
Less than an hour ago you insulted me without any evidence, and now I am to believe that you were just being a jerk. And, given the history I have with you, why should I give you another chance? Why should I tolerate you again?

I ask again, if you so easily lie when you are being a jack@ss unintentionally, why should we believe you about Airmax, or even this apology?

Why should you respected in the least?
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5/21/2014 9:44:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/21/2014 9:42:49 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/21/2014 9:33:22 PM, Csareo wrote:
At 5/21/2014 9:32:10 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/21/2014 8:58:29 PM, Csareo wrote:
I'm not going to argue it anymore. I was a douche to all of you. There's no excuse for that. I'm going to try my best from this post on to be only be a slight bit of a Jack@ss. All I ask, is for some cooperation from you guys as well.

By announcing I was wrong publicly, I hope you guys can at least try to give me a shot. If I continue being a jack@ss constantly, following this post, then go right on ahead.

I don't plan on being so dickish anymore, so I'll respect you guys, if you at least tolerate me.

So, you admit to being a pain in the @ss on purpose, while tarnishing others' reputation, for what, fun?
So, how much of your raging against Airmax was actually true, then?

I admit to being an unintentional jack@ss. I still don't fully agree with how Airmax handled it, but I honsestly don't care anymore.

It hardly changes anything

Then your apology means nothing.
You can't say "I don't care anymore, sorry, I guess" and say that you're a jack@ss and expect to believe you will/have changed.
Less than an hour ago you insulted me without any evidence, and now I am to believe that you were just being a jerk. And, given the history I have with you, why should I give you another chance? Why should I tolerate you again?

I ask again, if you so easily lie when you are being a jack@ss unintentionally, why should we believe you about Airmax, or even this apology?

Why should you respected in the least?

Do not respect me, if you feel I have not earned it. Do not trust me, if you feel I have not earned it. This was not an apology, but an announcement. That I will reform myself.

I have no pleasure in appeasing you guys individually. I'll let my conduct speak for itself.
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5/21/2014 9:47:54 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/21/2014 9:42:49 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/21/2014 9:33:22 PM, Csareo wrote:
At 5/21/2014 9:32:10 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/21/2014 8:58:29 PM, Csareo wrote:
I'm not going to argue it anymore. I was a douche to all of you. There's no excuse for that. I'm going to try my best from this post on to be only be a slight bit of a Jack@ss. All I ask, is for some cooperation from you guys as well.

By announcing I was wrong publicly, I hope you guys can at least try to give me a shot. If I continue being a jack@ss constantly, following this post, then go right on ahead.

I don't plan on being so dickish anymore, so I'll respect you guys, if you at least tolerate me.

So, you admit to being a pain in the @ss on purpose, while tarnishing others' reputation, for what, fun?
So, how much of your raging against Airmax was actually true, then?

I admit to being an unintentional jack@ss. I still don't fully agree with how Airmax handled it, but I honsestly don't care anymore.

It hardly changes anything

Then your apology means nothing.
You can't say "I don't care anymore, sorry, I guess" and say that you're a jack@ss and expect to believe you will/have changed.
Less than an hour ago you insulted me without any evidence, and now I am to believe that you were just being a jerk. And, given the history I have with you, why should I give you another chance? Why should I tolerate you again?

I ask again, if you so easily lie when you are being a jack@ss unintentionally, why should we believe you about Airmax, or even this apology?

Why should you respected in the least?

Dont be the one to turn an apparently good thing sour.
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5/21/2014 9:48:51 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/21/2014 9:44:31 PM, Csareo wrote:
At 5/21/2014 9:42:49 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/21/2014 9:33:22 PM, Csareo wrote:
At 5/21/2014 9:32:10 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/21/2014 8:58:29 PM, Csareo wrote:
I'm not going to argue it anymore. I was a douche to all of you. There's no excuse for that. I'm going to try my best from this post on to be only be a slight bit of a Jack@ss. All I ask, is for some cooperation from you guys as well.

By announcing I was wrong publicly, I hope you guys can at least try to give me a shot. If I continue being a jack@ss constantly, following this post, then go right on ahead.

I don't plan on being so dickish anymore, so I'll respect you guys, if you at least tolerate me.

So, you admit to being a pain in the @ss on purpose, while tarnishing others' reputation, for what, fun?
So, how much of your raging against Airmax was actually true, then?

I admit to being an unintentional jack@ss. I still don't fully agree with how Airmax handled it, but I honsestly don't care anymore.

It hardly changes anything

Then your apology means nothing.
You can't say "I don't care anymore, sorry, I guess" and say that you're a jack@ss and expect to believe you will/have changed.
Less than an hour ago you insulted me without any evidence, and now I am to believe that you were just being a jerk. And, given the history I have with you, why should I give you another chance? Why should I tolerate you again?

I ask again, if you so easily lie when you are being a jack@ss unintentionally, why should we believe you about Airmax, or even this apology?

Why should you respected in the least?

Do not respect me, if you feel I have not earned it. Do not trust me, if you feel I have not earned it. This was not an apology, but an announcement. That I will reform myself.

I have no pleasure in appeasing you guys individually. I'll let my conduct speak for itself.

Well said.
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5/21/2014 9:51:15 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/21/2014 9:47:54 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:

Dont be the one to turn an apparently good thing sour.

Sorry, but something about people calling me a liar just for their own enjoyment sticks in my craw.
Perhaps if this announcement wasn't 20 minutes after being called a liar, I might not be so sour.

Also, it sounds fake and forced...
Didn't he just say he doesn't respect Airmax for being weak, and now he will respect us for ignoring his past?
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5/21/2014 9:56:03 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/21/2014 9:51:15 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/21/2014 9:47:54 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:

Dont be the one to turn an apparently good thing sour.

Sorry, but something about people calling me a liar just for their own enjoyment sticks in my craw.
Perhaps if this announcement wasn't 20 minutes after being called a liar, I might not be so sour.

Also, it sounds fake and forced...
Didn't he just say he doesn't respect Airmax for being weak, and now he will respect us for ignoring his past?

Take the high road and give him the chance he asks for. That way if he fracks up, he has no excuse and you can go to town on him, and no one will bat and eye.
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5/21/2014 9:56:39 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/21/2014 9:44:31 PM, Csareo wrote:

Do not respect me, if you feel I have not earned it. Do not trust me, if you feel I have not earned it. This was not an apology, but an announcement. That I will reform myself.

I have no pleasure in appeasing you guys individually. I'll let my conduct speak for itself.

I may not know you that well, but ...

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5/21/2014 9:57:45 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/21/2014 9:48:51 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 5/21/2014 9:44:31 PM, Csareo wrote:
At 5/21/2014 9:42:49 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/21/2014 9:33:22 PM, Csareo wrote:
At 5/21/2014 9:32:10 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/21/2014 8:58:29 PM, Csareo wrote:
I'm not going to argue it anymore. I was a douche to all of you. There's no excuse for that. I'm going to try my best from this post on to be only be a slight bit of a Jack@ss. All I ask, is for some cooperation from you guys as well.

By announcing I was wrong publicly, I hope you guys can at least try to give me a shot. If I continue being a jack@ss constantly, following this post, then go right on ahead.

I don't plan on being so dickish anymore, so I'll respect you guys, if you at least tolerate me.

So, you admit to being a pain in the @ss on purpose, while tarnishing others' reputation, for what, fun?
So, how much of your raging against Airmax was actually true, then?

I admit to being an unintentional jack@ss. I still don't fully agree with how Airmax handled it, but I honsestly don't care anymore.

It hardly changes anything

Then your apology means nothing.
You can't say "I don't care anymore, sorry, I guess" and say that you're a jack@ss and expect to believe you will/have changed.
Less than an hour ago you insulted me without any evidence, and now I am to believe that you were just being a jerk. And, given the history I have with you, why should I give you another chance? Why should I tolerate you again?

I ask again, if you so easily lie when you are being a jack@ss unintentionally, why should we believe you about Airmax, or even this apology?

Why should you respected in the least?

Do not respect me, if you feel I have not earned it. Do not trust me, if you feel I have not earned it. This was not an apology, but an announcement. That I will reform myself.

I have no pleasure in appeasing you guys individually. I'll let my conduct speak for itself.

Well said.

For the record, he hasn't clarified what he was a jack@ss about.
He said that Airmax was unfair and waging a personal vendetta against him.
He then said in this apology, he was wrong.
Wrong about what, exactly? Was he just being a douche to Airmax as well?

I don't take weak apologies well.
Why, and about what, was he acting this way?
What was he wrong about?
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5/21/2014 9:59:43 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/21/2014 9:51:15 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/21/2014 9:47:54 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:

Dont be the one to turn an apparently good thing sour.

Sorry, but something about people calling me a liar just for their own enjoyment sticks in my craw.
Perhaps if this announcement wasn't 20 minutes after being called a liar, I might not be so sour.

Also, it sounds fake and forced...
Didn't he just say he doesn't respect Airmax for being weak, and now he will respect us for ignoring his past?

I can fully understand and appreciate having doubt and skepticism. I also believe that if you need time to test and come to acceptance, that is perfectly natural and to be expected. However, I do ask that you at least give Jif an honest chance to prove himself right or wrong and not try to push or bait him in any direction one way or the other.
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5/21/2014 10:01:06 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/21/2014 9:57:45 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/21/2014 9:48:51 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 5/21/2014 9:44:31 PM, Csareo wrote:
At 5/21/2014 9:42:49 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/21/2014 9:33:22 PM, Csareo wrote:
At 5/21/2014 9:32:10 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/21/2014 8:58:29 PM, Csareo wrote:
I'm not going to argue it anymore. I was a douche to all of you. There's no excuse for that. I'm going to try my best from this post on to be only be a slight bit of a Jack@ss. All I ask, is for some cooperation from you guys as well.

By announcing I was wrong publicly, I hope you guys can at least try to give me a shot. If I continue being a jack@ss constantly, following this post, then go right on ahead.

I don't plan on being so dickish anymore, so I'll respect you guys, if you at least tolerate me.

So, you admit to being a pain in the @ss on purpose, while tarnishing others' reputation, for what, fun?
So, how much of your raging against Airmax was actually true, then?

I admit to being an unintentional jack@ss. I still don't fully agree with how Airmax handled it, but I honsestly don't care anymore.

It hardly changes anything

Then your apology means nothing.
You can't say "I don't care anymore, sorry, I guess" and say that you're a jack@ss and expect to believe you will/have changed.
Less than an hour ago you insulted me without any evidence, and now I am to believe that you were just being a jerk. And, given the history I have with you, why should I give you another chance? Why should I tolerate you again?

I ask again, if you so easily lie when you are being a jack@ss unintentionally, why should we believe you about Airmax, or even this apology?

Why should you respected in the least?

Do not respect me, if you feel I have not earned it. Do not trust me, if you feel I have not earned it. This was not an apology, but an announcement. That I will reform myself.

I have no pleasure in appeasing you guys individually. I'll let my conduct speak for itself.

Well said.

For the record, he hasn't clarified what he was a jack@ss about.
He said that Airmax was unfair and waging a personal vendetta against him.
He then said in this apology, he was wrong.
Wrong about what, exactly? Was he just being a douche to Airmax as well?

I don't take weak apologies well.
Why, and about what, was he acting this way?
What was he wrong about?

To clarify, I don't condone how Airmax handled the problem, not saying that I was just in acting like an @ss to him afterwards. Therefore, both sides have equaled each others wrongs in my opinion, and we are equal.

And yes, I was being somewhat of a douche to Airmax following my ban lift. It doesn't matter anymore. This wasn't an apology. It was a declaration of reform. If you want me to kiss your feet than your at the wrong place.

I only seek to redirect my previously bad behavior. I acted in no way as a civilized member. I accept that. You should to.
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5/21/2014 10:01:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/21/2014 9:56:03 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 5/21/2014 9:51:15 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/21/2014 9:47:54 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:

Dont be the one to turn an apparently good thing sour.

Sorry, but something about people calling me a liar just for their own enjoyment sticks in my craw.
Perhaps if this announcement wasn't 20 minutes after being called a liar, I might not be so sour.

Also, it sounds fake and forced...
Didn't he just say he doesn't respect Airmax for being weak, and now he will respect us for ignoring his past?

Take the high road and give him the chance he asks for. That way if he fracks up, he has no excuse and you can go to town on him, and no one will bat and eye.

How am I not giving him the chance he asks for?
Am I clamouring for his ban?
I am tolerating him, as he asked.
I am engaged in conversation, which is not something I care to do with him.
I am trying to ascertain the point of this message, the extent of his jackassery, and the level of which he was wrong.
It was not received well.
My work here is, finally, done.
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5/21/2014 10:05:50 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/21/2014 10:01:06 PM, Csareo wrote:

I only seek to redirect my previously bad behavior. I acted in no way as a civilized member. I accept that. You should to.

Time will tell.
And be aware, this "you should too" comment is incredibly juvenile.
Don't tell the ones you've wronged to just get over it, simply because you have.
Only a fool forgives and forgets.

We shall see what you are capable of.
Others seem to like you from before, so you must have some redeeming quality.
My work here is, finally, done.
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5/21/2014 10:08:53 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/21/2014 9:59:43 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 5/21/2014 9:51:15 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/21/2014 9:47:54 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:

Dont be the one to turn an apparently good thing sour.

Sorry, but something about people calling me a liar just for their own enjoyment sticks in my craw.
Perhaps if this announcement wasn't 20 minutes after being called a liar, I might not be so sour.

Also, it sounds fake and forced...
Didn't he just say he doesn't respect Airmax for being weak, and now he will respect us for ignoring his past?

I can fully understand and appreciate having doubt and skepticism. I also believe that if you need time to test and come to acceptance, that is perfectly natural and to be expected. However, I do ask that you at least give Jif an honest chance to prove himself right or wrong and not try to push or bait him in any direction one way or the other.

Now that he has addressed my question to some extent, I will let him be for now.
I guess the issue I have is this: is he acknowledging his jackassery since the ban was lifted, or his entire time on DDO? My issue is from before his ban.
My work here is, finally, done.