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5/22/2014 4:42:18 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Guys, I have to express, that the drama here has really gotten out of hand. Since my public apology, I have been trying my very hardest to be patient and forgiving to everyone. Even the people I once disdained.

People can't get past this pointless drama though. I made a forum, solely about integrity in debate and forums, and I get ganged up by several people who think I'm trying to rant. This is outrageous, that a site that is dedicated to political discourse, has become such a dillusioned social network.

Can we stop making dumb polls. Set a precedent that socializing does not belong here. And most of all, stop the drama and debate. Yes, I admit I was a dick, but people continuing to badger me has only proven my suspicions.

None of you had really forgiven me. You told me....

"Hey jifpop09, good job on coming out and admitting you were wrong. Kudos!"

I was encouraged. I was inspired that people could put that stuff behind them. But I was soon reminded of why I became a dick in the first place. There are instigators, dramacists, and friend blocks everywhere. All they do is stir this place from its original goal.

Yes, I said some bad things to you guys, but as a result of a complete loss of respect for the integrity of DDO. People still don't understand the basic tenets.....

- You can have a debate without mentioning the other person

- You don't need to bring up conduct in debates

- You can put faith into the audience that they can decide who's right

If someones fleshing out drama, just don't respond. You have nothing to prove. People don't read those four page chain threads of back and forth blabber. Honestly, I don't know if I can stay here if this remains rampant.

We need to work together to make sure new users don't fall into this cycle. I came here to be a better debater, not a better socializer. I don't need friends here, or do most people who came to this site. Ask yourself, if your purpose on this site is to "hang" with the guys, that you may be doing more harm than good.

You can do both, but please don't dillude what this site is actually about. Debate. No more or no less.
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5/22/2014 5:03:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2014 4:42:18 PM, Csareo wrote:
Guys, I have to express, that the drama here has really gotten out of hand. Since my public apology, I have been trying my very hardest to be patient and forgiving to everyone. Even the people I once disdained.

People can't get past this pointless drama though. I made a forum, solely about integrity in debate and forums, and I get ganged up by several people who think I'm trying to rant. This is outrageous, that a site that is dedicated to political discourse, has become such a dillusioned social network.

Can we stop making dumb polls. Set a precedent that socializing does not belong here. And most of all, stop the drama and debate. Yes, I admit I was a dick, but people continuing to badger me has only proven my suspicions.

None of you had really forgiven me. You told me....

"Hey jifpop09, good job on coming out and admitting you were wrong. Kudos!"

I was encouraged. I was inspired that people could put that stuff behind them. But I was soon reminded of why I became a dick in the first place. There are instigators, dramacists, and friend blocks everywhere. All they do is stir this place from its original goal.

Yes, I said some bad things to you guys, but as a result of a complete loss of respect for the integrity of DDO. People still don't understand the basic tenets.....

- You can have a debate without mentioning the other person

- You don't need to bring up conduct in debates

- You can put faith into the audience that they can decide who's right

If someones fleshing out drama, just don't respond. You have nothing to prove. People don't read those four page chain threads of back and forth blabber. Honestly, I don't know if I can stay here if this remains rampant.

We need to work together to make sure new users don't fall into this cycle. I came here to be a better debater, not a better socializer. I don't need friends here, or do most people who came to this site. Ask yourself, if your purpose on this site is to "hang" with the guys, that you may be doing more harm than good.

You can do both, but please don't dillude what this site is actually about. Debate. No more or no less.

People can do what they wish. If they don't want to debate, you can't stop them.
There are members who don't debate but submit to the Games forums, or contribute to other parts of the site.
Using the site for only socializing isn't necessarily completely bad. For instance, it depends on what you are talking about.
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
Csareo
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5/22/2014 5:06:38 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2014 5:03:21 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 5/22/2014 4:42:18 PM, Csareo wrote:
Guys, I have to express, that the drama here has really gotten out of hand. Since my public apology, I have been trying my very hardest to be patient and forgiving to everyone. Even the people I once disdained.

People can't get past this pointless drama though. I made a forum, solely about integrity in debate and forums, and I get ganged up by several people who think I'm trying to rant. This is outrageous, that a site that is dedicated to political discourse, has become such a dillusioned social network.
http://www.debate.org...#
Can we stop making dumb polls. Set a precedent that socializing does not belong here. And most of all, stop the drama and debate. Yes, I admit I was a dick, but people continuing to badger me has only proven my suspicions.

None of you had really forgiven me. You told me....

"Hey jifpop09, good job on coming out and admitting you were wrong. Kudos!"

I was encouraged. I was inspired that people could put that stuff behind them. But I was soon reminded of why I became a dick in the first place. There are instigators, dramacists, and friend blocks everywhere. All they do is stir this place from its original goal.

Yes, I said some bad things to you guys, but as a result of a complete loss of respect for the integrity of DDO. People still don't understand the basic tenets.....

- You can have a debate without mentioning the other person

- You don't need to bring up conduct in debates

- You can put faith into the audience that they can decide who's right

If someones fleshing out drama, just don't respond. You have nothing to prove. People don't read those four page chain threads of back and forth blabber. Honestly, I don't know if I can stay here if this remains rampant.

We need to work together to make sure new users don't fall into this cycle. I came here to be a better debater, not a better socializer. I don't need friends here, or do most people who came to this site. Ask yourself, if your purpose on this site is to "hang" with the guys, that you may be doing more harm than good.

You can do both, but please don't dillude what this site is actually about. Debate. No more or no less.

People can do what they wish. If they don't want to debate, you can't stop them.
There are members who don't debate but submit to the Games forums, or contribute to other parts of the site.
Using the site for only socializing isn't necessarily completely bad. For instance, it depends on what you are talking about.

The site is about debate. Not socialising. The sooner we draw this distinction, the better
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5/22/2014 5:08:24 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2014 5:06:38 PM, Csareo wrote:
At 5/22/2014 5:03:21 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 5/22/2014 4:42:18 PM, Csareo wrote:
Guys, I have to express, that the drama here has really gotten out of hand. Since my public apology, I have been trying my very hardest to be patient and forgiving to everyone. Even the people I once disdained.

People can't get past this pointless drama though. I made a forum, solely about integrity in debate and forums, and I get ganged up by several people who think I'm trying to rant. This is outrageous, that a site that is dedicated to political discourse, has become such a dillusioned social network.
http://www.debate.org...#
Can we stop making dumb polls. Set a precedent that socializing does not belong here. And most of all, stop the drama and debate. Yes, I admit I was a dick, but people continuing to badger me has only proven my suspicions.

None of you had really forgiven me. You told me....

"Hey jifpop09, good job on coming out and admitting you were wrong. Kudos!"

I was encouraged. I was inspired that people could put that stuff behind them. But I was soon reminded of why I became a dick in the first place. There are instigators, dramacists, and friend blocks everywhere. All they do is stir this place from its original goal.

Yes, I said some bad things to you guys, but as a result of a complete loss of respect for the integrity of DDO. People still don't understand the basic tenets.....

- You can have a debate without mentioning the other person

- You don't need to bring up conduct in debates

- You can put faith into the audience that they can decide who's right

If someones fleshing out drama, just don't respond. You have nothing to prove. People don't read those four page chain threads of back and forth blabber. Honestly, I don't know if I can stay here if this remains rampant.

We need to work together to make sure new users don't fall into this cycle. I came here to be a better debater, not a better socializer. I don't need friends here, or do most people who came to this site. Ask yourself, if your purpose on this site is to "hang" with the guys, that you may be doing more harm than good.

You can do both, but please don't dillude what this site is actually about. Debate. No more or no less.

People can do what they wish. If they don't want to debate, you can't stop them.
There are members who don't debate but submit to the Games forums, or contribute to other parts of the site.
Using the site for only socializing isn't necessarily completely bad. For instance, it depends on what you are talking about.

The site is about debate. Not socialising. The sooner we draw this distinction, the better
>.>
You can TaLK about debate techniques and make friends though....
0.0

Also, if you meet good debaters and become friends, you can socialize with them so I don't see the problem...

^.^
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
Csareo
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5/22/2014 5:11:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2014 5:08:24 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 5/22/2014 5:06:38 PM, Csareo wrote:
At 5/22/2014 5:03:21 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 5/22/2014 4:42:18 PM, Csareo wrote:
Guys, I have to express, that the drama here has really gotten out of hand. Since my public apology, I have been trying my very hardest to be patient and forgiving to everyone. Even the people I once disdained.

People can't get past this pointless drama though. I made a forum, solely about integrity in debate and forums, and I get ganged up by several people who think I'm trying to rant. This is outrageous, that a site that is dedicated to political discourse, has become such a dillusioned social network.
http://www.debate.org...#
Can we stop making dumb polls. Set a precedent that socializing does not belong here. And most of all, stop the drama and debate. Yes, I admit I was a dick, but people continuing to badger me has only proven my suspicions.

None of you had really forgiven me. You told me....

"Hey jifpop09, good job on coming out and admitting you were wrong. Kudos!"

I was encouraged. I was inspired that people could put that stuff behind them. But I was soon reminded of why I became a dick in the first place. There are instigators, dramacists, and friend blocks everywhere. All they do is stir this place from its original goal.

Yes, I said some bad things to you guys, but as a result of a complete loss of respect for the integrity of DDO. People still don't understand the basic tenets.....

- You can have a debate without mentioning the other person

- You don't need to bring up conduct in debates

- You can put faith into the audience that they can decide who's right

If someones fleshing out drama, just don't respond. You have nothing to prove. People don't read those four page chain threads of back and forth blabber. Honestly, I don't know if I can stay here if this remains rampant.

We need to work together to make sure new users don't fall into this cycle. I came here to be a better debater, not a better socializer. I don't need friends here, or do most people who came to this site. Ask yourself, if your purpose on this site is to "hang" with the guys, that you may be doing more harm than good.

You can do both, but please don't dillude what this site is actually about. Debate. No more or no less.

People can do what they wish. If they don't want to debate, you can't stop them.
There are members who don't debate but submit to the Games forums, or contribute to other parts of the site.
Using the site for only socializing isn't necessarily completely bad. For instance, it depends on what you are talking about.

The site is about debate. Not socialising. The sooner we draw this distinction, the better
>.>
You can TaLK about debate techniques and make friends though....
0.0

Also, if you meet good debaters and become friends, you can socialize with them so I don't see the problem...

^.^

People should socialize in a friendly manner, and keep it in appropriate settings. Socializing often spills to where its not wanted. To be honest, you do this a lot. Butting in the middle of heated discourse.

I encourage you to do otherwise, although I can't stop you
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ESocialBookworm
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5/22/2014 5:13:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2014 5:11:25 PM, Csareo wrote:
At 5/22/2014 5:08:24 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 5/22/2014 5:06:38 PM, Csareo wrote:
At 5/22/2014 5:03:21 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 5/22/2014 4:42:18 PM, Csareo wrote:
Guys, I have to express, that the drama here has really gotten out of hand. Since my public apology, I have been trying my very hardest to be patient and forgiving to everyone. Even the people I once disdained.

People can't get past this pointless drama though. I made a forum, solely about integrity in debate and forums, and I get ganged up by several people who think I'm trying to rant. This is outrageous, that a site that is dedicated to political discourse, has become such a dillusioned social network.
http://www.debate.org...#
Can we stop making dumb polls. Set a precedent that socializing does not belong here. And most of all, stop the drama and debate. Yes, I admit I was a dick, but people continuing to badger me has only proven my suspicions.

None of you had really forgiven me. You told me....

"Hey jifpop09, good job on coming out and admitting you were wrong. Kudos!"

I was encouraged. I was inspired that people could put that stuff behind them. But I was soon reminded of why I became a dick in the first place. There are instigators, dramacists, and friend blocks everywhere. All they do is stir this place from its original goal.

Yes, I said some bad things to you guys, but as a result of a complete loss of respect for the integrity of DDO. People still don't understand the basic tenets.....

- You can have a debate without mentioning the other person

- You don't need to bring up conduct in debates

- You can put faith into the audience that they can decide who's right

If someones fleshing out drama, just don't respond. You have nothing to prove. People don't read those four page chain threads of back and forth blabber. Honestly, I don't know if I can stay here if this remains rampant.

We need to work together to make sure new users don't fall into this cycle. I came here to be a better debater, not a better socializer. I don't need friends here, or do most people who came to this site. Ask yourself, if your purpose on this site is to "hang" with the guys, that you may be doing more harm than good.

You can do both, but please don't dillude what this site is actually about. Debate. No more or no less.

People can do what they wish. If they don't want to debate, you can't stop them.
There are members who don't debate but submit to the Games forums, or contribute to other parts of the site.
Using the site for only socializing isn't necessarily completely bad. For instance, it depends on what you are talking about.

The site is about debate. Not socialising. The sooner we draw this distinction, the better
>.>
You can TaLK about debate techniques and make friends though....
0.0

Also, if you meet good debaters and become friends, you can socialize with them so I don't see the problem...

^.^

People should socialize in a friendly manner, and keep it in appropriate settings. Socializing often spills to where its not wanted. To be honest, you do this a lot. Butting in the middle of heated discourse.

I encourage you to do otherwise, although I can't stop you
*takes bow*

I am doing this to try to stop this nonsensical storm so neither you nor any other member will be banned
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
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5/22/2014 6:28:02 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2014 4:42:18 PM, Csareo wrote:
Guys, I have to express, that the drama here has really gotten out of hand. Since my public apology, I have been trying my very hardest to be patient and forgiving to everyone. Even the people I once disdained.

You explicitly said it was NOT an apology.
Don't lie.

People can't get past this pointless drama though. I made a forum, solely about integrity in debate and forums, and I get ganged up by several people who think I'm trying to rant. This is outrageous, that a site that is dedicated to political discourse, has become such a dillusioned social network.

It doesn't help when you bring it up, and misrepresent others and yourself.


None of you had really forgiven me. You told me....
What is to forgive?
You did not apologize; you acknowledged your actions, not apologized for them.

"Hey jifpop09, good job on coming out and admitting you were wrong. Kudos!"

I was encouraged. I was inspired that people could put that stuff behind them. But I was soon reminded of why I became a dick in the first place. There are instigators, dramacists, and friend blocks everywhere. All they do is stir this place from its original goal.

And where are you in this mix?
Don't act like your hands are clean.
In this very thread, you have lied, mislead, and misrepresented.
My work here is, finally, done.
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5/22/2014 6:31:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2014 6:28:02 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/22/2014 4:42:18 PM, Csareo wrote:
Guys, I have to express, that the drama here has really gotten out of hand. Since my public apology, I have been trying my very hardest to be patient and forgiving to everyone. Even the people I once disdained.

You explicitly said it was NOT an apology.
Don't lie.

It is what it was supposed to accomplish.

People can't get past this pointless drama though. I made a forum, solely about integrity in debate and forums, and I get ganged up by several people who think I'm trying to rant. This is outrageous, that a site that is dedicated to political discourse, has become such a dillusioned social network.

It doesn't help when you bring it up, and misrepresent others and yourself.

IYO


None of you had really forgiven me. You told me....
What is to forgive?
You did not apologize; you acknowledged your actions, not apologized for them.

"Hey jifpop09, good job on coming out and admitting you were wrong. Kudos!"

I was encouraged. I was inspired that people could put that stuff behind them. But I was soon reminded of why I became a dick in the first place. There are instigators, dramacists, and friend blocks everywhere. All they do is stir this place from its original goal.

And where are you in this mix?
Don't act like your hands are clean.
In this very thread, you have lied, mislead, and misrepresented.


Hold up. Your starting drama right now. Are you going to make everything about my integrity? Value the content in the forum, not the person.

Do you disagree with what I said? My contention was making debate about the person is not needed. Here you are making the debate about the person. You can debate the topic, or you can have no debate at all.

I'm quite tired of every quotation being directed at how ill I am. Its pos ad-hom. If you want to debate, then debate the actual resolution. You carry little weight when your arguments are based on personal attacks
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5/22/2014 6:45:57 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2014 6:31:49 PM, Csareo wrote:
At 5/22/2014 6:28:02 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/22/2014 4:42:18 PM, Csareo wrote:
Guys, I have to express, that the drama here has really gotten out of hand. Since my public apology, I have been trying my very hardest to be patient and forgiving to everyone. Even the people I once disdained.

You explicitly said it was NOT an apology.
Don't lie.

It is what it was supposed to accomplish.
Not when you categorically deny it was an apology.

People can't get past this pointless drama though. I made a forum, solely about integrity in debate and forums, and I get ganged up by several people who think I'm trying to rant. This is outrageous, that a site that is dedicated to political discourse, has become such a dillusioned social network.

It doesn't help when you bring it up, and misrepresent others and yourself.

IYO
The point is, you create drama. Your posts create drama.
Are you somehow denying this is true?
It appeared in the forum you started about Mikal debate, you started in with Airmax again about the same stuff.

Thus, you have not conceded anything, nor apologized.
You have posted two threads now that are complete falsehoods.


None of you had really forgiven me. You told me....
What is to forgive?
You did not apologize; you acknowledged your actions, not apologized for them.

"Hey jifpop09, good job on coming out and admitting you were wrong. Kudos!"

I was encouraged. I was inspired that people could put that stuff behind them. But I was soon reminded of why I became a dick in the first place. There are instigators, dramacists, and friend blocks everywhere. All they do is stir this place from its original goal.

And where are you in this mix?
Don't act like your hands are clean.
In this very thread, you have lied, mislead, and misrepresented.


Hold up. Your starting drama right now. Are you going to make everything about my integrity? Value the content in the forum, not the person.

I am calling you out for your lies.
Your OP was a lie.
Don't lie, and there is no drama from me.

Do you disagree with what I said? My contention was making debate about the person is not needed. Here you are making the debate about the person. You can debate the topic, or you can have no debate at all.
I chimed in to call you out on your BS.
I don't care what you said in this thread about other things going on.
You lied here.

I'm quite tired of every quotation being directed at how ill I am. Its pos ad-hom. If you want to debate, then debate the actual resolution. You carry little weight when your arguments are based on personal attacks

I just challenged you to a debate, and you declined.
Thus, not even now will you own up to your deeds.

You have not apologized for your actions.
You have not conceded your grievances, as you said you did.
And now you will not accept a debate about a grievance against you, which was the purpose of this thread.

Quite pathetic...
My work here is, finally, done.
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5/22/2014 6:48:02 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Khao's, please stop. You have no intrest in debating the resolution. This is not a platform to slander me, therefore, I have to ask you to not make drama on a form........ condemning drama -_-

Debate the resolution. Leave my integrity out of it. Arguing about anything else than the premise is most likely unworthy of serious consideration, IE, ad hom
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5/22/2014 6:48:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
LOL, my bad.
This thread was not the thread you wanted to debate grievances.

However, the point still stands you don't.

You will not defend my grievance with you.
You will not apologize.
Such a reformed person you are.
My work here is, finally, done.
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5/22/2014 7:13:29 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2014 6:56:19 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
Khaos, stop acting like a b!tch.

How should I act, then?
I'm calling out his BS. He is outright lying in some of these threads.
I've done what he asked, and he declined.
He is misrepresenting me, stating it was a long time ago, when it was 24 hours ago.

What, exactly, should I do?
My work here is, finally, done.
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5/22/2014 7:15:19 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2014 7:13:29 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/22/2014 6:56:19 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
Khaos, stop acting like a b!tch.

How should I act, then?
I'm calling out his BS. He is outright lying in some of these threads.
I've done what he asked, and he declined.
He is misrepresenting me, stating it was a long time ago, when it was 24 hours ago.

What, exactly, should I do?

what everyone should do
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5/22/2014 7:53:56 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2014 7:15:19 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 5/22/2014 7:13:29 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/22/2014 6:56:19 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
Khaos, stop acting like a b!tch.

How should I act, then?
I'm calling out his BS. He is outright lying in some of these threads.
I've done what he asked, and he declined.
He is misrepresenting me, stating it was a long time ago, when it was 24 hours ago.

What, exactly, should I do?

what everyone should do


Way better:
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Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
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5/22/2014 8:24:24 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2014 4:42:18 PM, Csareo wrote:
Guys, I have to express, that the drama here has really gotten out of hand. Since my public apology, I have been trying my very hardest to be patient and forgiving to everyone. Even the people I once disdained.

People can't get past this pointless drama though. I made a forum, solely about integrity in debate and forums, and I get ganged up by several people who think I'm trying to rant. This is outrageous, that a site that is dedicated to political discourse, has become such a dillusioned social network.

Can we stop making dumb polls. Set a precedent that socializing does not belong here. And most of all, stop the drama and debate. Yes, I admit I was a dick, but people continuing to badger me has only proven my suspicions.

None of you had really forgiven me. You told me....

"Hey jifpop09, good job on coming out and admitting you were wrong. Kudos!"

I was encouraged. I was inspired that people could put that stuff behind them. But I was soon reminded of why I became a dick in the first place. There are instigators, dramacists, and friend blocks everywhere. All they do is stir this place from its original goal.

Yes, I said some bad things to you guys, but as a result of a complete loss of respect for the integrity of DDO. People still don't understand the basic tenets.....

- You can have a debate without mentioning the other person

- You don't need to bring up conduct in debates

- You can put faith into the audience that they can decide who's right

If someones fleshing out drama, just don't respond. You have nothing to prove. People don't read those four page chain threads of back and forth blabber. Honestly, I don't know if I can stay here if this remains rampant.

We need to work together to make sure new users don't fall into this cycle. I came here to be a better debater, not a better socializer. I don't need friends here, or do most people who came to this site. Ask yourself, if your purpose on this site is to "hang" with the guys, that you may be doing more harm than good.

You can do both, but please don't dillude what this site is actually about. Debate. No more or no less.

Have there been any debates about your conduct since you came back and gave your concession? I thought the only one was from before that.

Also, it is important to realize that this site is about more than just debate. It has been for many years.
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5/22/2014 8:27:22 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2014 8:24:24 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 5/22/2014 4:42:18 PM, Csareo wrote:
Guys, I have to express, that the drama here has really gotten out of hand. Since my public apology, I have been trying my very hardest to be patient and forgiving to everyone. Even the people I once disdained.

People can't get past this pointless drama though. I made a forum, solely about integrity in debate and forums, and I get ganged up by several people who think I'm trying to rant. This is outrageous, that a site that is dedicated to political discourse, has become such a dillusioned social network.

Can we stop making dumb polls. Set a precedent that socializing does not belong here. And most of all, stop the drama and debate. Yes, I admit I was a dick, but people continuing to badger me has only proven my suspicions.

None of you had really forgiven me. You told me....

"Hey jifpop09, good job on coming out and admitting you were wrong. Kudos!"

I was encouraged. I was inspired that people could put that stuff behind them. But I was soon reminded of why I became a dick in the first place. There are instigators, dramacists, and friend blocks everywhere. All they do is stir this place from its original goal.

Yes, I said some bad things to you guys, but as a result of a complete loss of respect for the integrity of DDO. People still don't understand the basic tenets.....

- You can have a debate without mentioning the other person

- You don't need to bring up conduct in debates

- You can put faith into the audience that they can decide who's right

If someones fleshing out drama, just don't respond. You have nothing to prove. People don't read those four page chain threads of back and forth blabber. Honestly, I don't know if I can stay here if this remains rampant.

We need to work together to make sure new users don't fall into this cycle. I came here to be a better debater, not a better socializer. I don't need friends here, or do most people who came to this site. Ask yourself, if your purpose on this site is to "hang" with the guys, that you may be doing more harm than good.

You can do both, but please don't dillude what this site is actually about. Debate. No more or no less.

Have there been any debates about your conduct since you came back and gave your concession? I thought the only one was from before that.

If this were about conduct. Its about drama, and how it ruins the sanctity of debate,

Also, it is important to realize that this site is about more than just debate. It has been for many years.

It can be both, but it needs to be categorized differently. The current system has intertwined the social part, with the debate one. That's my problem with this site.

Drama extends to debate. This is unlike most serious fourms/discussion sites. The mods strictly put what goes where, in its place.

Not so much here.
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5/22/2014 8:32:40 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2014 8:27:22 PM, Csareo wrote:
At 5/22/2014 8:24:24 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 5/22/2014 4:42:18 PM, Csareo wrote:
Guys, I have to express, that the drama here has really gotten out of hand. Since my public apology, I have been trying my very hardest to be patient and forgiving to everyone. Even the people I once disdained.

People can't get past this pointless drama though. I made a forum, solely about integrity in debate and forums, and I get ganged up by several people who think I'm trying to rant. This is outrageous, that a site that is dedicated to political discourse, has become such a dillusioned social network.

Can we stop making dumb polls. Set a precedent that socializing does not belong here. And most of all, stop the drama and debate. Yes, I admit I was a dick, but people continuing to badger me has only proven my suspicions.

None of you had really forgiven me. You told me....

"Hey jifpop09, good job on coming out and admitting you were wrong. Kudos!"

I was encouraged. I was inspired that people could put that stuff behind them. But I was soon reminded of why I became a dick in the first place. There are instigators, dramacists, and friend blocks everywhere. All they do is stir this place from its original goal.

Yes, I said some bad things to you guys, but as a result of a complete loss of respect for the integrity of DDO. People still don't understand the basic tenets.....

- You can have a debate without mentioning the other person

- You don't need to bring up conduct in debates

- You can put faith into the audience that they can decide who's right

If someones fleshing out drama, just don't respond. You have nothing to prove. People don't read those four page chain threads of back and forth blabber. Honestly, I don't know if I can stay here if this remains rampant.

We need to work together to make sure new users don't fall into this cycle. I came here to be a better debater, not a better socializer. I don't need friends here, or do most people who came to this site. Ask yourself, if your purpose on this site is to "hang" with the guys, that you may be doing more harm than good.

You can do both, but please don't dillude what this site is actually about. Debate. No more or no less.

Have there been any debates about your conduct since you came back and gave your concession? I thought the only one was from before that.

If this were about conduct.

I'm sorry, I thought you specifically brought up conduct, as in a debate about conduct.

Its about drama, and how it ruins the sanctity of debate,

I would disagree. While unfettered drama can be harmful, drama also works as a spark for passion and debate. Both drama and debate are a result of conflict and they can feed into each other if done properly.

Also, it is important to realize that this site is about more than just debate. It has been for many years.

It can be both, but it needs to be categorized differently. The current system has intertwined the social part, with the debate one. That's my problem with this site.

Drama extends to debate. This is unlike most serious fourms/discussion sites. The mods strictly put what goes where, in its place.

Not so much here.

Yes, despite having the site's only fascist as a mod, we are not very fascist.
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5/22/2014 10:22:04 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I just wish that when people used the word "fascist" they would, you know, use it correctly.
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