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6/8/2014 6:00:11 AM
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6/8/2014 6:16:15 AM
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At 6/8/2014 6:00:11 AM, Enji wrote:
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6/8/2014 6:44:51 AM
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At 6/8/2014 6:00:11 AM, Enji wrote:
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Seems like this is in the wrong section.

When Ore-Ele and Airmax circle-jerk Amas in this section when they belong to the Personal section, I don't feel complied to follow the rules, and have them not follow it. Simple as that, knowing that the Entertainment section is mostly dead.
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6/8/2014 6:45:28 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/8/2014 6:16:15 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 6/8/2014 6:00:11 AM, Enji wrote:
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6/8/2014 6:53:59 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/8/2014 5:29:24 AM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
tl:dr Frozen is a piece of sh!t. Next.

https://medium.com...

Modern feminism has become so ridiculous that this false feminism is arguable saner.
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6/8/2014 7:16:57 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/8/2014 6:44:51 AM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
At 6/8/2014 6:00:11 AM, Enji wrote:
http://www.debate.org...
"Join the Debate.org forum to review announcements, post comments, questions and suggestions."

http://www.debate.org...
"Discuss movies, television, music and other entertainment-related topics."

Seems like this is in the wrong section.

When Ore-Ele and Airmax circle-jerk Amas in this section when they belong to the Personal section, I don't feel complied to follow the rules, and have them not follow it. Simple as that, knowing that the Entertainment section is mostly dead.

When sections have appealing content, people visit them. Posting threads in the wrong sections only contributes to lack of activity in the sections where they belong. A lot of content which belongs in the Entertainment section is instead posted here, dragging attention away from the Entertainment section and pushing threads relevant to DDO down. The same goes for those AMAs.
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6/8/2014 7:37:52 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/8/2014 7:16:57 AM, Enji wrote:
At 6/8/2014 6:44:51 AM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
At 6/8/2014 6:00:11 AM, Enji wrote:
http://www.debate.org...
"Join the Debate.org forum to review announcements, post comments, questions and suggestions."

http://www.debate.org...
"Discuss movies, television, music and other entertainment-related topics."

Seems like this is in the wrong section.

When Ore-Ele and Airmax circle-jerk Amas in this section when they belong to the Personal section, I don't feel complied to follow the rules, and have them not follow it. Simple as that, knowing that the Entertainment section is mostly dead.

When sections have appealing content, people visit them. Posting threads in the wrong sections only contributes to lack of activity in the sections where they belong. A lot of content which belongs in the Entertainment section is instead posted here, dragging attention away from the Entertainment section and pushing threads relevant to DDO down. The same goes for those AMAs.

Beautifully said.
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6/8/2014 8:14:29 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/8/2014 7:16:57 AM, Enji wrote:
At 6/8/2014 6:44:51 AM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
At 6/8/2014 6:00:11 AM, Enji wrote:
http://www.debate.org...
"Join the Debate.org forum to review announcements, post comments, questions and suggestions."

http://www.debate.org...
"Discuss movies, television, music and other entertainment-related topics."

Seems like this is in the wrong section.

When Ore-Ele and Airmax circle-jerk Amas in this section when they belong to the Personal section, I don't feel complied to follow the rules, and have them not follow it. Simple as that, knowing that the Entertainment section is mostly dead.

When sections have appealing content, people visit them. Posting threads in the wrong sections only contributes to lack of activity in the sections where they belong. A lot of content which belongs in the Entertainment section is instead posted here, dragging attention away from the Entertainment section and pushing threads relevant to DDO down. The same goes for those AMAs.

You always ignore your opponent's points. If the moderators don't follow the rules, why should I? You argue from the "forum's sake" as if I'm lifeless enough to give two damns about the future of DDO forums. If DDO's servers burn up and smoke just fills the whole place, and I connect and the place is gone, I will say "So sad" and move on and watch something on Youtube. That's how much I care about your DDO and forums, but nice show of DDO patriotism, they made you drink the Kool aid too.
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6/8/2014 8:15:44 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/8/2014 7:37:52 AM, YYW wrote:
At 6/8/2014 7:16:57 AM, Enji wrote:
At 6/8/2014 6:44:51 AM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
At 6/8/2014 6:00:11 AM, Enji wrote:
http://www.debate.org...
"Join the Debate.org forum to review announcements, post comments, questions and suggestions."

http://www.debate.org...
"Discuss movies, television, music and other entertainment-related topics."

Seems like this is in the wrong section.

When Ore-Ele and Airmax circle-jerk Amas in this section when they belong to the Personal section, I don't feel complied to follow the rules, and have them not follow it. Simple as that, knowing that the Entertainment section is mostly dead.

When sections have appealing content, people visit them. Posting threads in the wrong sections only contributes to lack of activity in the sections where they belong. A lot of content which belongs in the Entertainment section is instead posted here, dragging attention away from the Entertainment section and pushing threads relevant to DDO down. The same goes for those AMAs.

Beautifully said.

YYW stop trying to bully me honey. I wasn't the kid that used to put you in your locker.
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6/8/2014 8:18:41 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/8/2014 6:53:59 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/8/2014 5:29:24 AM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
tl:dr Frozen is a piece of sh!t. Next.

https://medium.com...

Modern feminism has become so ridiculous that this false feminism is arguable saner.

But isn't modern feminism also false feminism? I believe you're referring to the FTB bloggers and their monthly campaigns.
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6/8/2014 8:26:26 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/8/2014 8:15:44 AM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
At 6/8/2014 7:37:52 AM, YYW wrote:
At 6/8/2014 7:16:57 AM, Enji wrote:
At 6/8/2014 6:44:51 AM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
At 6/8/2014 6:00:11 AM, Enji wrote:
http://www.debate.org...
"Join the Debate.org forum to review announcements, post comments, questions and suggestions."

http://www.debate.org...
"Discuss movies, television, music and other entertainment-related topics."

Seems like this is in the wrong section.

When Ore-Ele and Airmax circle-jerk Amas in this section when they belong to the Personal section, I don't feel complied to follow the rules, and have them not follow it. Simple as that, knowing that the Entertainment section is mostly dead.

When sections have appealing content, people visit them. Posting threads in the wrong sections only contributes to lack of activity in the sections where they belong. A lot of content which belongs in the Entertainment section is instead posted here, dragging attention away from the Entertainment section and pushing threads relevant to DDO down. The same goes for those AMAs.

Beautifully said.

YYW stop trying to bully me honey. I wasn't the kid that used to put you in your locker.

lol
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6/8/2014 8:31:18 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/8/2014 8:26:26 AM, YYW wrote:
At 6/8/2014 8:15:44 AM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
At 6/8/2014 7:37:52 AM, YYW wrote:
At 6/8/2014 7:16:57 AM, Enji wrote:
At 6/8/2014 6:44:51 AM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
At 6/8/2014 6:00:11 AM, Enji wrote:
http://www.debate.org...
"Join the Debate.org forum to review announcements, post comments, questions and suggestions."

http://www.debate.org...
"Discuss movies, television, music and other entertainment-related topics."

Seems like this is in the wrong section.

When Ore-Ele and Airmax circle-jerk Amas in this section when they belong to the Personal section, I don't feel complied to follow the rules, and have them not follow it. Simple as that, knowing that the Entertainment section is mostly dead.

When sections have appealing content, people visit them. Posting threads in the wrong sections only contributes to lack of activity in the sections where they belong. A lot of content which belongs in the Entertainment section is instead posted here, dragging attention away from the Entertainment section and pushing threads relevant to DDO down. The same goes for those AMAs.

Beautifully said.

YYW stop trying to bully me honey. I wasn't the kid that used to put you in your locker.

lol

Lower-cased loling. If I can only quote Assaad Saeed.
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6/8/2014 8:46:58 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
More on modern feminism, the author of the article seems to hint that she is against the new trends in modern feminism, which makes me believe she is an independent thinker, and not really uniformly following the footsteps of a certain group. But it's an interesting discussion to compare between the fake feminism in Frozen and Modern feminism, which I think are nothing more than two flawed ideologies that are seemingly opposed but follow similar and erroneous patterns of thought.
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6/8/2014 9:07:24 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/8/2014 8:31:18 AM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
At 6/8/2014 8:26:26 AM, YYW wrote:
At 6/8/2014 8:15:44 AM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
At 6/8/2014 7:37:52 AM, YYW wrote:
At 6/8/2014 7:16:57 AM, Enji wrote:
At 6/8/2014 6:44:51 AM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
At 6/8/2014 6:00:11 AM, Enji wrote:
http://www.debate.org...
"Join the Debate.org forum to review announcements, post comments, questions and suggestions."

http://www.debate.org...
"Discuss movies, television, music and other entertainment-related topics."

Seems like this is in the wrong section.

When Ore-Ele and Airmax circle-jerk Amas in this section when they belong to the Personal section, I don't feel complied to follow the rules, and have them not follow it. Simple as that, knowing that the Entertainment section is mostly dead.

When sections have appealing content, people visit them. Posting threads in the wrong sections only contributes to lack of activity in the sections where they belong. A lot of content which belongs in the Entertainment section is instead posted here, dragging attention away from the Entertainment section and pushing threads relevant to DDO down. The same goes for those AMAs.

Beautifully said.

YYW stop trying to bully me honey. I wasn't the kid that used to put you in your locker.

lol

Lower-cased loling. If I can only quote Assaad Saeed.

Don't mind the lolling. I just think it's rather amusing that you think I was the kid who got stuffed into the a locker. It's one of those things that, when you try to make an underhanded blow, just tends to make me smile because of how completely off base you are. The first time you made that mistake, it was kind of frustrating, but now it's almost endearing.

lol
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6/8/2014 10:49:52 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/8/2014 6:53:59 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/8/2014 5:29:24 AM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
tl:dr Frozen is a piece of sh!t. Next.

https://medium.com...

Modern feminism has become so ridiculous that this false feminism is arguable saner.

And yet you refused to debate me on this...
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6/8/2014 11:35:13 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I only skimmed this because its pretty long and doesn't look especially well written, but it looks like the whole piece is structured around straw-men.

And really this author's credibility as a critic is totally shot when she says:

"...who actually thought Elsa was the protagonist of the story? She isn"t. She"s the antagonist. An antagonist who gets a redemption and who isn"t necessarily a villain, but an antagonist nonetheless. Frozen is unquestionably Anna"s story, and almost every scene Elsa has is there to prevent the real protagonistR02;"R02;AnnaR02;"R02;from getting what she wants."

That's just stupid. Elsa has at least 3 major songs early in the movie exploring her character development, she established very clearly as someone we should sympathize with. Other characters are established as "bad guys" by trying to kill Elsa.

On top of that, most of her arguments about how the agency of Anna and Elsa is illusory are just listing how Frozen differs from her perfect conception of a feminist movie. For some reason Anna's decisions don't count as agency because she operates with incomplete information and maybe acts rashly??? Wow I guess Hamlet had no agency either.

There are some fair points to be sure, but the overall enterprise seems like pointless sniping. Millions of people found the movie to be empowering and it brought huge attention to feminist media issues and this writer wants to complain that even though the movie didn't technically have a marriage it still had a conventional heterosexual love interest?

And her entire recap about why she wrote this essay is a straw man as well:

"Yet denying it we are, in droves, and sometime since Frozen"s release the praise heaped upon it reached such a critical mass that it somehow has made us forget that Belle left both home and the Beast"s castle to save her father"s life; that Mulan risked death on the battlefield..."

NOBODY HAS FORGOTTEN THOSE MOVIES. Does the author seriously think people's minds have been erased by this movie? There have been many many many pieces written comparing Frozen to gender roles in earlier Disney movies. I have had many conversations doing the same.

I honestly can't wrap my mind around the claim that people are so hyped about Frozen that they aren't talking about the roles of women in earlier movies.

It seems like the author is so caught up in what she thinks a good feminist movie should be that she can't appreciate anything that even slightly strays from her ideal.
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6/8/2014 11:49:03 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/8/2014 11:35:13 AM, Raisor wrote:
I only skimmed this because its pretty long and doesn't look especially well written, but it looks like the whole piece is structured around straw-men.

And really this author's credibility as a critic is totally shot when she says:

"...who actually thought Elsa was the protagonist of the story? She isn"t. She"s the antagonist. An antagonist who gets a redemption and who isn"t necessarily a villain, but an antagonist nonetheless. Frozen is unquestionably Anna"s story, and almost every scene Elsa has is there to prevent the real protagonistR02;"R02;AnnaR02;"R02;from getting what she wants."

That's just stupid. Elsa has at least 3 major songs early in the movie exploring her character development, she established very clearly as someone we should sympathize with. Other characters are established as "bad guys" by trying to kill Elsa.

On top of that, most of her arguments about how the agency of Anna and Elsa is illusory are just listing how Frozen differs from her perfect conception of a feminist movie. For some reason Anna's decisions don't count as agency because she operates with incomplete information and maybe acts rashly??? Wow I guess Hamlet had no agency either.

There are some fair points to be sure, but the overall enterprise seems like pointless sniping. Millions of people found the movie to be empowering and it brought huge attention to feminist media issues and this writer wants to complain that even though the movie didn't technically have a marriage it still had a conventional heterosexual love interest?

And her entire recap about why she wrote this essay is a straw man as well:

"Yet denying it we are, in droves, and sometime since Frozen"s release the praise heaped upon it reached such a critical mass that it somehow has made us forget that Belle left both home and the Beast"s castle to save her father"s life; that Mulan risked death on the battlefield..."

NOBODY HAS FORGOTTEN THOSE MOVIES. Does the author seriously think people's minds have been erased by this movie? There have been many many many pieces written comparing Frozen to gender roles in earlier Disney movies. I have had many conversations doing the same.

I honestly can't wrap my mind around the claim that people are so hyped about Frozen that they aren't talking about the roles of women in earlier movies.

It seems like the author is so caught up in what she thinks a good feminist movie should be that she can't appreciate anything that even slightly strays from her ideal.

Nice 1200th
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6/8/2014 12:06:42 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/8/2014 11:35:13 AM, Raisor wrote:
I only skimmed this because its pretty long and doesn't look especially well written, but it looks like the whole piece is structured around straw-men.

And really this author's credibility as a critic is totally shot when she says:

"...who actually thought Elsa was the protagonist of the story? She isn"t. She"s the antagonist. An antagonist who gets a redemption and who isn"t necessarily a villain, but an antagonist nonetheless. Frozen is unquestionably Anna"s story, and almost every scene Elsa has is there to prevent the real protagonistR02;"R02;AnnaR02;"R02;from getting what she wants."

That's just stupid. Elsa has at least 3 major songs early in the movie exploring her character development, she established very clearly as someone we should sympathize with. Other characters are established as "bad guys" by trying to kill Elsa.

On top of that, most of her arguments about how the agency of Anna and Elsa is illusory are just listing how Frozen differs from her perfect conception of a feminist movie. For some reason Anna's decisions don't count as agency because she operates with incomplete information and maybe acts rashly??? Wow I guess Hamlet had no agency either.

There are some fair points to be sure, but the overall enterprise seems like pointless sniping. Millions of people found the movie to be empowering and it brought huge attention to feminist media issues and this writer wants to complain that even though the movie didn't technically have a marriage it still had a conventional heterosexual love interest?

And her entire recap about why she wrote this essay is a straw man as well:

"Yet denying it we are, in droves, and sometime since Frozen"s release the praise heaped upon it reached such a critical mass that it somehow has made us forget that Belle left both home and the Beast"s castle to save her father"s life; that Mulan risked death on the battlefield..."

NOBODY HAS FORGOTTEN THOSE MOVIES. Does the author seriously think people's minds have been erased by this movie? There have been many many many pieces written comparing Frozen to gender roles in earlier Disney movies. I have had many conversations doing the same.

I honestly can't wrap my mind around the claim that people are so hyped about Frozen that they aren't talking about the roles of women in earlier movies.

It seems like the author is so caught up in what she thinks a good feminist movie should be that she can't appreciate anything that even slightly strays from her ideal.

I don't see such a strong feminist push from this movie.
Elsa needed to be saved by a man, literally broken out of jail.
Anna needed help up the mountain by a man.

This does not seem like women empowerment at all.
While Anna wasn't saved by a man per se, she needed them to reunite the two, and Anna saved herself (love is not wholly about men), yet clearly found a man and desired a man the whole movie.

If anything, this movie was about the love of family and not so much about empowerment.

But, yes, this critique was lacking, and I don't think addressed the biggest issue as to why it was popular....the music.
It had a Broadway feel, and I think it was refreshing to see.
My work here is, finally, done.
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6/8/2014 2:36:12 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/8/2014 12:06:42 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 6/8/2014 11:35:13 AM, Raisor wrote:
I only skimmed this because its pretty long and doesn't look especially well written, but it looks like the whole piece is structured around straw-men.

And really this author's credibility as a critic is totally shot when she says:

"...who actually thought Elsa was the protagonist of the story? She isn"t. She"s the antagonist. An antagonist who gets a redemption and who isn"t necessarily a villain, but an antagonist nonetheless. Frozen is unquestionably Anna"s story, and almost every scene Elsa has is there to prevent the real protagonistR02;"R02;AnnaR02;"R02;from getting what she wants."

That's just stupid. Elsa has at least 3 major songs early in the movie exploring her character development, she established very clearly as someone we should sympathize with. Other characters are established as "bad guys" by trying to kill Elsa.

On top of that, most of her arguments about how the agency of Anna and Elsa is illusory are just listing how Frozen differs from her perfect conception of a feminist movie. For some reason Anna's decisions don't count as agency because she operates with incomplete information and maybe acts rashly??? Wow I guess Hamlet had no agency either.

There are some fair points to be sure, but the overall enterprise seems like pointless sniping. Millions of people found the movie to be empowering and it brought huge attention to feminist media issues and this writer wants to complain that even though the movie didn't technically have a marriage it still had a conventional heterosexual love interest?

And her entire recap about why she wrote this essay is a straw man as well:

"Yet denying it we are, in droves, and sometime since Frozen"s release the praise heaped upon it reached such a critical mass that it somehow has made us forget that Belle left both home and the Beast"s castle to save her father"s life; that Mulan risked death on the battlefield..."

NOBODY HAS FORGOTTEN THOSE MOVIES. Does the author seriously think people's minds have been erased by this movie? There have been many many many pieces written comparing Frozen to gender roles in earlier Disney movies. I have had many conversations doing the same.

I honestly can't wrap my mind around the claim that people are so hyped about Frozen that they aren't talking about the roles of women in earlier movies.

It seems like the author is so caught up in what she thinks a good feminist movie should be that she can't appreciate anything that even slightly strays from her ideal.

I don't see such a strong feminist push from this movie.
Elsa needed to be saved by a man, literally broken out of jail.
Anna needed help up the mountain by a man.

This does not seem like women empowerment at all.
While Anna wasn't saved by a man per se, she needed them to reunite the two, and Anna saved herself (love is not wholly about men), yet clearly found a man and desired a man the whole movie.

If anything, this movie was about the love of family and not so much about empowerment.

But, yes, this critique was lacking, and I don't think addressed the biggest issue as to why it was popular....the music.
It had a Broadway feel, and I think it was refreshing to see.

I really don't understand this criticism that any interaction with men makes the movie un-empowering or that any character that isn't 100% able to solve their own problems is a bad representation of women.

I have a lot of problems with the themes of Frozen, but they are high-level criticisms. The bottom line is the movie focuses on two girls/women who are absolutely not passive and try to solve problems. The heart of the movie is the relationship between two sisters and traditional conceptions of fairy-tale romance are criticized. The movie offers plenty of positive content from a feminist perspective and saying so isn't saying "good enough," its acknowledging the good aspects of the film even if it had shortcomings.
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6/8/2014 6:05:05 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/8/2014 8:18:41 AM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
At 6/8/2014 6:53:59 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/8/2014 5:29:24 AM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
tl:dr Frozen is a piece of sh!t. Next.

https://medium.com...

Modern feminism has become so ridiculous that this false feminism is arguable saner.

But isn't modern feminism also false feminism? I believe you're referring to the FTB bloggers and their monthly campaigns.

I thought that modern feminism was giving women more than equal rights, whilst false feminism was pretending to give women empowerment/ equal rights. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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6/8/2014 6:06:07 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/8/2014 10:49:52 AM, Raisor wrote:
At 6/8/2014 6:53:59 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/8/2014 5:29:24 AM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
tl:dr Frozen is a piece of sh!t. Next.

https://medium.com...

Modern feminism has become so ridiculous that this false feminism is arguable saner.

And yet you refused to debate me on this...

Yeah, and be thankful that I was so merciful.
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6/8/2014 6:07:29 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/8/2014 6:06:07 PM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/8/2014 10:49:52 AM, Raisor wrote:
At 6/8/2014 6:53:59 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/8/2014 5:29:24 AM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
tl:dr Frozen is a piece of sh!t. Next.

https://medium.com...

Modern feminism has become so ridiculous that this false feminism is arguable saner.

And yet you refused to debate me on this...

Yeah, and be thankful that I was so merciful.

https://www.youtube.com...
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6/8/2014 6:10:16 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/8/2014 6:07:29 PM, Raisor wrote:
At 6/8/2014 6:06:07 PM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/8/2014 10:49:52 AM, Raisor wrote:
At 6/8/2014 6:53:59 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/8/2014 5:29:24 AM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
tl:dr Frozen is a piece of sh!t. Next.

https://medium.com...

Modern feminism has become so ridiculous that this false feminism is arguable saner.

And yet you refused to debate me on this...

Yeah, and be thankful that I was so merciful.

https://www.youtube.com...

Excuse me, but everyone that knows me decently has no doubt that I am not a chicken. If you keep pushing me like this, you're going to learn that the hard way. I'm not going to take sh*t from you.
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6/8/2014 6:22:14 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/8/2014 6:10:16 PM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/8/2014 6:07:29 PM, Raisor wrote:
At 6/8/2014 6:06:07 PM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/8/2014 10:49:52 AM, Raisor wrote:
At 6/8/2014 6:53:59 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/8/2014 5:29:24 AM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
tl:dr Frozen is a piece of sh!t. Next.

https://medium.com...

Modern feminism has become so ridiculous that this false feminism is arguable saner.

And yet you refused to debate me on this...

Yeah, and be thankful that I was so merciful.

https://www.youtube.com...

Excuse me, but everyone that knows me decently has no doubt that I am not a chicken. If you keep pushing me like this, you're going to learn that the hard way. I'm not going to take sh*t from you.

I didn't think I was pushing you at all...

I was just trying to re-open a past conversation, I didn't think that link was malicious at all. The scene is making fun of the idea of calling someone a chicken, it was intentionally meant to signal levity and lack of seriousness.
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6/8/2014 8:18:28 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/8/2014 5:29:24 AM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
tl:dr Frozen is a piece of sh!t. Next.

https://medium.com...

The article's main point wasn't that Frozen was a piece of sh!t. Rather, it was that Frozen was a nice but unsatisfactory attempt to do something meaningful that came up short based on a few criteria. The article was fairly average, and it's criticisms are fairly conventional. About 75% of the article was really inconsequential. If I were grading it, I'd give it a C.
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6/8/2014 8:21:08 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/8/2014 8:20:41 PM, ChosenWolff wrote:
Shouldn't this forum be designated for things regarding debate.org?

yup
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6/8/2014 8:21:51 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/8/2014 8:21:08 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 6/8/2014 8:20:41 PM, ChosenWolff wrote:
Shouldn't this forum be designated for things regarding debate.org?

yup

Then why is it here?
How about NO elections?

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