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progressivedem22
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6/23/2014 10:44:18 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I couldn't think of a better title. My apologies.

I tried this before, and it didn't end up happening. But, now that it's obviously summer and I actually figured out how to use Google+, this could actually occur.

Here's how it will work:

-At least 10 people will be competing, though we could by all means have more.

-We'll be using Swiss format. That is, every debater will compete in every round against against against another debater with an equal amount of wins. After a certain amount of rounds, which is contingent on how many people sign up but will likely be around 4, the debaters with the best record -- usually top 4 -- will face off in a single-elimination top cut.

-Though most rounds will be in Swiss format, and thus internally randomized with respect to wins (that is, if there are four people with 2 wins, they'll be randomly paired), Round 1 will be based off ELO. I'll organize the list after enough people sign-up. But, generally speaking, it will work like this, assuming 8 people ranked in descending order of ELO:

1 v 4
2 v 3
5 v 8
6 v 7

-All debates will take place over a Google hangout. That is, they will be live, though not necessarily impromptu. For those of you who don't know the protocol, you should start a new debate on DDO and post the video for voters to evaluate.

-For each round I'll bring up a number of topics that the debaters can choose from, but this is by no means set in stone; for instance, if there's a different topic you would like to debate or you and your opponent just so happen to agree on everything, by all means choose something else. I may try to stick with some general theme for each round, provided that it's plausible, so I only ask that you let me if you're planning to use a new topic so we can attempt to tailor it, in some way, to the theme.

-We'll be using judge voting, so I'll also be looking for judge signups. Judges need not be in attendance during the live debates, though it certainly would help if they could.

Signups:

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progressivedem22
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6/23/2014 10:53:51 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
As for the format of live debates, there's a great deal of flexibility with respect to that, so I'll leave it up to the debaters to decide on which format they prefer. My preference, however, and what I would probably recommend is the following:

1. 24-hour prep time to research the topic
2. 8 minutes for Debater A to read his R1 case
3. 3-minute cross examination by Debater B
4. 8 minutes for Debater B to read his R2 case
5. 3-minute cross examination by Debater B
6. 5-minute prep time for Debater A
7. 8 minutes for Debater A's first rebuttal
8. 5-minute prep time for Debater B
9. 8 minutes for Debater B's first rebuttal
10. 5-minute prep time for Debater A
11. 5 minutes for Debater A's final rebuttal
12. 5 minute prep time for Debater B
13. 5 minutes for Debater B's final rebuttal
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6/23/2014 11:02:34 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
/in.

Are teams permitted?
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6/23/2014 11:04:48 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/23/2014 11:02:34 AM, ClassicRobert wrote:
/in.

Are teams permitted?

I completely forgot about teams lol.

I'm all for it, but that could be potentially difficult, especially if the majority of participants aren't for it. And I think we'd either need to start with teams, create different teams each rounds based on wins, or create teams in the playoff rounds. So, right now, I'd say "possibly," though I think it's a great idea.
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6/23/2014 11:38:32 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Ah this sounds like a lot of fun. Don't have cam or mic though. I knew Bobert would jump on this lol. I'll be excited to see him debate.
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6/23/2014 6:13:51 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/23/2014 5:42:20 PM, progressivedem22 wrote:
Sign-Ups (1/10)

1. ClassicRobert
2. whiteflame
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Judges (1/5)
1. progressivedem22
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I'm down.
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6/23/2014 7:37:24 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/23/2014 7:05:33 PM, TUF wrote:
Wait didn't you leave for good or something the other day?

Yeah, long story...but I'm back, lol.

Oh, and I stole your idea of hosting a google+ tournament haha. My apologies for not crediting you initially.
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6/23/2014 7:39:54 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/23/2014 6:13:51 PM, whiteflame wrote:
At 6/23/2014 5:42:20 PM, progressivedem22 wrote:
Sign-Ups (1/10)

1. ClassicRobert
2. whiteflame
3. ChosenWolff
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1. progressivedem22
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I'm down.
How about NO elections?

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6/23/2014 7:44:30 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/23/2014 7:39:54 PM, ChosenWolff wrote:
At 6/23/2014 6:13:51 PM, whiteflame wrote:
At 6/23/2014 5:42:20 PM, progressivedem22 wrote:
Sign-Ups (1/10)

1. ClassicRobert
2. whiteflame
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Judges (1/5)
1. progressivedem22
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I'm down.
How about NO elections?

#onlyonedeb8
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6/23/2014 9:01:06 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/23/2014 9:00:13 PM, YYW wrote:
Set up judging on panels, and I'll judge.

Would you mind explaining how that would work?
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6/23/2014 9:27:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/23/2014 9:01:06 PM, progressivedem22 wrote:
At 6/23/2014 9:00:13 PM, YYW wrote:
Set up judging on panels, and I'll judge.

Would you mind explaining how that would work?

Require the judging structure to be "judge" instead of open. Very simple.
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6/23/2014 9:28:36 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/23/2014 9:27:27 PM, YYW wrote:
At 6/23/2014 9:01:06 PM, progressivedem22 wrote:
At 6/23/2014 9:00:13 PM, YYW wrote:
Set up judging on panels, and I'll judge.

Would you mind explaining how that would work?

Require the judging structure to be "judge" instead of open. Very simple.

Oh, ok. I must have misunderstood". Absolutely, that's the plan.
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6/23/2014 9:33:46 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/23/2014 7:05:33 PM, TUF wrote:
Wait didn't you leave for good or something the other day?
In short, to save him from embarrassment, I was being his owl. We agreed that, since he was pestering me, I would do a debate with him. I got to choose the topic and I chose something he offered before,
"progressivedem22 should return and stay on the debating site, Debate.org."
If I won, he had to return. And stay.
If I lost, he didn't have to.

He conceded right after I sent out PMs to potential judges asking them if they were interested,
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
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6/23/2014 9:35:04 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/23/2014 9:33:46 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 6/23/2014 7:05:33 PM, TUF wrote:
Wait didn't you leave for good or something the other day?
In short, to save him from embarrassment, I was being his owl. We agreed that, since he was pestering me, I would do a debate with him. I got to choose the topic and I chose something he offered before,
"progressivedem22 should return and stay on the debating site, Debate.org."
If I won, he had to return. And stay.
If I lost, he didn't have to.

He conceded right after I sent out PMs to potential judges asking them if they were interested,

To be fair, I sent you two of my arguments which you admitted you couldn't refute lol.
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6/23/2014 9:36:04 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/23/2014 9:35:04 PM, progressivedem22 wrote:
At 6/23/2014 9:33:46 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 6/23/2014 7:05:33 PM, TUF wrote:
Wait didn't you leave for good or something the other day?
In short, to save him from embarrassment, I was being his owl. We agreed that, since he was pestering me, I would do a debate with him. I got to choose the topic and I chose something he offered before,
"progressivedem22 should return and stay on the debating site, Debate.org."
If I won, he had to return. And stay.
If I lost, he didn't have to.

He conceded right after I sent out PMs to potential judges asking them if they were interested,

To be fair, I sent you two of my arguments which you admitted you couldn't refute lol.

And how many did you give me while complaining that would lose...

(Against me?! Who could lose against me?!)
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
progressivedem22
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6/23/2014 9:37:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/23/2014 9:36:04 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 6/23/2014 9:35:04 PM, progressivedem22 wrote:
At 6/23/2014 9:33:46 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 6/23/2014 7:05:33 PM, TUF wrote:
Wait didn't you leave for good or something the other day?
In short, to save him from embarrassment, I was being his owl. We agreed that, since he was pestering me, I would do a debate with him. I got to choose the topic and I chose something he offered before,
"progressivedem22 should return and stay on the debating site, Debate.org."
If I won, he had to return. And stay.
If I lost, he didn't have to.

He conceded right after I sent out PMs to potential judges asking them if they were interested,

To be fair, I sent you two of my arguments which you admitted you couldn't refute lol.

And how many did you give me while complaining that would lose...

(Against me?! Who could lose against me?!)

I told you I didn't want there to be any drama lol.
ESocialBookworm
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6/23/2014 9:38:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/23/2014 9:37:33 PM, progressivedem22 wrote:
At 6/23/2014 9:36:04 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 6/23/2014 9:35:04 PM, progressivedem22 wrote:
At 6/23/2014 9:33:46 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 6/23/2014 7:05:33 PM, TUF wrote:
Wait didn't you leave for good or something the other day?
In short, to save him from embarrassment, I was being his owl. We agreed that, since he was pestering me, I would do a debate with him. I got to choose the topic and I chose something he offered before,
"progressivedem22 should return and stay on the debating site, Debate.org."
If I won, he had to return. And stay.
If I lost, he didn't have to.

He conceded right after I sent out PMs to potential judges asking them if they were interested,

To be fair, I sent you two of my arguments which you admitted you couldn't refute lol.

And how many did you give me while complaining that would lose...

(Against me?! Who could lose against me?!)

I told you I didn't want there to be any drama lol.

I told you I wasn't gonna bring up those points as my major contentions...
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
progressivedem22
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6/23/2014 9:40:16 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/23/2014 9:38:34 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 6/23/2014 9:37:33 PM, progressivedem22 wrote:
At 6/23/2014 9:36:04 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 6/23/2014 9:35:04 PM, progressivedem22 wrote:
At 6/23/2014 9:33:46 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 6/23/2014 7:05:33 PM, TUF wrote:
Wait didn't you leave for good or something the other day?
In short, to save him from embarrassment, I was being his owl. We agreed that, since he was pestering me, I would do a debate with him. I got to choose the topic and I chose something he offered before,
"progressivedem22 should return and stay on the debating site, Debate.org."
If I won, he had to return. And stay.
If I lost, he didn't have to.

He conceded right after I sent out PMs to potential judges asking them if they were interested,

To be fair, I sent you two of my arguments which you admitted you couldn't refute lol.

And how many did you give me while complaining that would lose...

(Against me?! Who could lose against me?!)

I told you I didn't want there to be any drama lol.

I told you I wasn't gonna bring up those points as my major contentions...

But you knew why I had left, Annie.

Anyway, can we get off this subject and focus on the tournament?
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6/23/2014 9:53:17 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/23/2014 9:40:16 PM, progressivedem22 wrote:
At 6/23/2014 9:38:34 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 6/23/2014 9:37:33 PM, progressivedem22 wrote:
At 6/23/2014 9:36:04 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 6/23/2014 9:35:04 PM, progressivedem22 wrote:
At 6/23/2014 9:33:46 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 6/23/2014 7:05:33 PM, TUF wrote:
Wait didn't you leave for good or something the other day?
In short, to save him from embarrassment, I was being his owl. We agreed that, since he was pestering me, I would do a debate with him. I got to choose the topic and I chose something he offered before,
"progressivedem22 should return and stay on the debating site, Debate.org."
If I won, he had to return. And stay.
If I lost, he didn't have to.

He conceded right after I sent out PMs to potential judges asking them if they were interested,

To be fair, I sent you two of my arguments which you admitted you couldn't refute lol.

And how many did you give me while complaining that would lose...

(Against me?! Who could lose against me?!)

I told you I didn't want there to be any drama lol.

I told you I wasn't gonna bring up those points as my major contentions...

But you knew why I had left, Annie.
And I still don't think you had to.

Anyway, can we get off this subject and focus on the tournament?

Sure. :)
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
progressivedem22
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6/24/2014 2:26:45 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I'm going to bump this since it's almost on the second page.

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1. ClassicRobert
2. Whiteflame
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1. progressivedem22
2. YYW
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6/24/2014 6:58:14 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/24/2014 2:26:45 PM, progressivedem22 wrote:
I'm going to bump this since it's almost on the second page.

Sign-ups: (2/10)

1. ClassicRobert
2. Whiteflame
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Judges (2/5)
1. progressivedem22
2. YYW
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/in
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progressivedem22
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6/25/2014 12:22:21 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I'm going to try to do this with 8 to make it more realistic for this to actually happen. But I'm all for going over that if there's enough interest.

Sign-ups: (3/8)

1. ClassicRobert
2. Whiteflame
3. tylergraham95
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1. progressivedem22
2. YYW
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6/25/2014 12:50:07 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/25/2014 12:22:21 AM, progressivedem22 wrote:
I'm going to try to do this with 8 to make it more realistic for this to actually happen. But I'm all for going over that if there's enough interest.

Sign-ups: (3/8)

1. ClassicRobert
2. Whiteflame
3. tylergraham95
4.
5.
6.
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8.

Judges (2/5)
1. progressivedem22
2. YYW
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Even if you get 8 fill ins ( I don't think it's happening), you have to account for the million time issues, debate arguments, and just overall chaos that will stem from this. If I were you, I would make this a normal debate tournament with the option of video debates.
How about NO elections?

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6/25/2014 12:52:22 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/25/2014 12:50:07 AM, ChosenWolff wrote:
At 6/25/2014 12:22:21 AM, progressivedem22 wrote:
I'm going to try to do this with 8 to make it more realistic for this to actually happen. But I'm all for going over that if there's enough interest.

Sign-ups: (3/8)

1. ClassicRobert
2. Whiteflame
3. tylergraham95
4.
5.
6.
7
8.

Judges (2/5)
1. progressivedem22
2. YYW
3.
4.
5.

Even if you get 8 fill ins ( I don't think it's happening), you have to account for the million time issues, debate arguments, and just overall chaos that will stem from this. If I were you, I would make this a normal debate tournament with the option of video debates.

There's going to be an extensive amount of time for each round, probably about a week a piece with extensions as requested. I don't see it as a problem, at least right now.

There are already text tournaments ongoing. This tournament is quite different, and is obviously less time-consuming.
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6/25/2014 12:54:12 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/25/2014 12:52:22 AM, progressivedem22 wrote:
At 6/25/2014 12:50:07 AM, ChosenWolff wrote:
At 6/25/2014 12:22:21 AM, progressivedem22 wrote:
I'm going to try to do this with 8 to make it more realistic for this to actually happen. But I'm all for going over that if there's enough interest.

Sign-ups: (3/8)

1. ClassicRobert
2. Whiteflame
3. tylergraham95
4.
5.
6.
7
8.

Judges (2/5)
1. progressivedem22
2. YYW
3.
4.
5.

Even if you get 8 fill ins ( I don't think it's happening), you have to account for the million time issues, debate arguments, and just overall chaos that will stem from this. If I were you, I would make this a normal debate tournament with the option of video debates.

There's going to be an extensive amount of time for each round, probably about a week a piece with extensions as requested. I don't see it as a problem, at least right now.

There are already text tournaments ongoing. This tournament is quite different, and is obviously less time-consuming.

I would run an economics based tournament, but I don't think I have the rep for that yet. I would want to run these debates on the swiss format, with arguments first, mathematical application in the center, and rebuttals at the end.
How about NO elections?

#onlyonedeb8