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BOP and the status Quo

jh1234l
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7/21/2014 10:28:50 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
In this debate: http://www.debate.org... If the bop were to fall on me, 9spaceking should win. If the bop were to fall on 9spaceking, then I should have won. However, that's exactly the problem and the reason I'm posting this.

One can argue that the BOP should fall on me, as I went against Evolution, the Status Quo. However, if evolution was not the Status Quo, that would change the BOP and the winner. This raises a problem. If the majority opinion of people outside of the debate affects the BOP, then does changing the opinion affect the BOP, and therefore the winner of the debate? If we were to go by the logic, then changing the status quo somehow changes the validity of arguments, even though the arguments stayed the same.

However, arguing that the BOP falls on 9spaceking, because he had the affirmative position, also raises a similar problem. If I were to make the debate's resolution "evolution is not true", and he were to take the negative position, he will be arguing the exact same thing but the BOP would be shifted.

As you can see, neither the "Status Quo" or the "Affirmative/Negative" methods for the BOP work well. So, the vote ends up getting biased if one method gains prominence. Please vote so that the vote gets "less biased".
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7/22/2014 1:45:29 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
The status-quo only determines BoP when we're talking about policy debates. Status-quo is irrelevant when it comes to empirical debates.

BoP was on Pro in this debate.
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7/23/2014 7:29:41 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I'm not sure. If I could vote, I would have null-voted except the conduct point, because I would be unsure who exactly the BoP is on.
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7/25/2014 6:22:48 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/21/2014 10:28:50 PM, jh1234l wrote:
In this debate: http://www.debate.org... If the bop were to fall on me, 9spaceking should win. If the bop were to fall on 9spaceking, then I should have won. However, that's exactly the problem and the reason I'm posting this.

One can argue that the BOP should fall on me, as I went against Evolution, the Status Quo. However, if evolution was not the Status Quo, that would change the BOP and the winner. This raises a problem. If the majority opinion of people outside of the debate affects the BOP, then does changing the opinion affect the BOP, and therefore the winner of the debate? If we were to go by the logic, then changing the status quo somehow changes the validity of arguments, even though the arguments stayed the same.

However, arguing that the BOP falls on 9spaceking, because he had the affirmative position, also raises a similar problem. If I were to make the debate's resolution "evolution is not true", and he were to take the negative position, he will be arguing the exact same thing but the BOP would be shifted.

As you can see, neither the "Status Quo" or the "Affirmative/Negative" methods for the BOP work well. So, the vote ends up getting biased if one method gains prominence. Please vote so that the vote gets "less biased".

Can everyone vote? Time is running out! I have adequately refuted all of pros arguments with logic (that all of them assume that they can only be explained by evolution, faked images, etc).
My political compass:
Economic Left/Right: -1.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.82
1 square right of Nelson Mandela, 2 squares down from Francois Hollande