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7/23/2014 11:06:11 PM
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I'm interested in doing some kind of debate relating to Harry Potter. Some potential topics:

The way Slytherin House was portrayed in the novels, on balance, harmed the series. (Pro)

The character of Harry Potter was portrayed unrealistically (Pro)

The character of Voldemort was portrayed poorly (Pro)

Hermione's campaign to free the House Elves was, on balance, wrong headed (Pro)

Salazar Slytherin's views on Muggleborns were justifiable given the context (Pro)

Judicial usage of the Dementors Kiss can be justified (Pro/Con)

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In a war between the wizarding world and the muggle one, the wizards would likely win.
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7/23/2014 11:09:42 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/23/2014 11:06:11 PM, thett3 wrote:
I'm interested in doing some kind of debate relating to Harry Potter. Some potential topics:

The way Slytherin House was portrayed in the novels, on balance, harmed the series. (Pro)

The character of Harry Potter was portrayed unrealistically (Pro)

The character of Voldemort was portrayed poorly (Pro)

Hermione's campaign to free the House Elves was, on balance, wrong headed (Pro)

Salazar Slytherin's views on Muggleborns were justifiable given the context (Pro)

Judicial usage of the Dementors Kiss can be justified (Con)


actually just Con on this one. I don't see any reason to use the dementors Kiss over the death penalty other than to be excessively cruel

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In a war between the wizarding world and the muggle one, the wizards would likely win.
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7/23/2014 11:12:52 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/23/2014 11:06:11 PM, thett3 wrote:
I'm interested in doing some kind of debate relating to Harry Potter. Some potential topics:

The way Slytherin House was portrayed in the novels, on balance, harmed the series. (Pro)

The character of Harry Potter was portrayed unrealistically (Pro)

The character of Voldemort was portrayed poorly (Pro)

Hmm...maybe.

Hermione's campaign to free the House Elves was, on balance, wrong headed (Pro)

Salazar Slytherin's views on Muggleborns were justifiable given the context (Pro)

Judicial usage of the Dementors Kiss can be justified (Pro/Con)


A debate I would like to see but not participate in:

In a war between the wizarding world and the muggle one, the wizards would likely win.
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7/23/2014 11:13:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/23/2014 11:06:55 PM, YYW wrote:
Such Slythern. Wow.

Haha whatever man. I've been reading this series of articles this guy wrote post Ootp- Post DH and most of his arguments are fascinating and sparked my interested. In fact he theorized that one of the reasons Slytherin House was so FUBAR by Harry's time was that Voldemort had jinxed the hat when he visited Dumbledores office, but likely not. It seems JKR just sucked at portraying it.
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7/23/2014 11:14:23 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/23/2014 11:12:52 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:06:11 PM, thett3 wrote:
I'm interested in doing some kind of debate relating to Harry Potter. Some potential topics:

The way Slytherin House was portrayed in the novels, on balance, harmed the series. (Pro)

The character of Harry Potter was portrayed unrealistically (Pro)

The character of Voldemort was portrayed poorly (Pro)

Hmm...maybe.

I would argue that his portrayal as essentially a sociopath from the very beginning harmed the books thematically

Hermione's campaign to free the House Elves was, on balance, wrong headed (Pro)

Salazar Slytherin's views on Muggleborns were justifiable given the context (Pro)

Judicial usage of the Dementors Kiss can be justified (Pro/Con)


A debate I would like to see but not participate in:

In a war between the wizarding world and the muggle one, the wizards would likely win.
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7/23/2014 11:16:36 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/23/2014 11:14:23 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:12:52 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:06:11 PM, thett3 wrote:
I'm interested in doing some kind of debate relating to Harry Potter. Some potential topics:

The way Slytherin House was portrayed in the novels, on balance, harmed the series. (Pro)

The character of Harry Potter was portrayed unrealistically (Pro)

The character of Voldemort was portrayed poorly (Pro)

Hmm...maybe.

I would argue that his portrayal as essentially a sociopath from the very beginning harmed the books thematically

Well, I mean, that depends on what you think the theme was.

Hermione's campaign to free the House Elves was, on balance, wrong headed (Pro)

Salazar Slytherin's views on Muggleborns were justifiable given the context (Pro)

Judicial usage of the Dementors Kiss can be justified (Pro/Con)


A debate I would like to see but not participate in:

In a war between the wizarding world and the muggle one, the wizards would likely win.
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7/23/2014 11:16:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/23/2014 11:06:11 PM, thett3 wrote:

The way Slytherin House was portrayed in the novels, on balance, harmed the series. (Pro)

How so? I'd debate you on that.

The character of Voldemort was portrayed poorly (Pro)

What do you mean by that?

Salazar Slytherin's views on Muggleborns were justifiable given the context (Pro)

lol what context??

Judicial usage of the Dementors Kiss can be justified (Pro/Con)

I'd consider this one also.

I'm very much interested in that first topic though, but could you expound on that?
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7/23/2014 11:18:32 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/23/2014 11:16:36 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:14:23 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:12:52 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:06:11 PM, thett3 wrote:
I'm interested in doing some kind of debate relating to Harry Potter. Some potential topics:

The way Slytherin House was portrayed in the novels, on balance, harmed the series. (Pro)

The character of Harry Potter was portrayed unrealistically (Pro)

The character of Voldemort was portrayed poorly (Pro)

Hmm...maybe.

I would argue that his portrayal as essentially a sociopath from the very beginning harmed the books thematically

Well, I mean, that depends on what you think the theme was.

There were multiple themes, but one was certainly the idea of choice. That, in Dumbledore's words, it is the choices we make that define who we are. Stripping Voldy of that autonomy is just..it's just a poor decision IMO. It certainly curtailed my enjoyment of the books. Voldemort is not a relatable character at all--he is the personification of pure evil. And that just isn't very interesting to me and I think it's generally a bad path to go down

Hermione's campaign to free the House Elves was, on balance, wrong headed (Pro)

Salazar Slytherin's views on Muggleborns were justifiable given the context (Pro)

Judicial usage of the Dementors Kiss can be justified (Pro/Con)


A debate I would like to see but not participate in:

In a war between the wizarding world and the muggle one, the wizards would likely win.
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7/23/2014 11:23:39 PM
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At 7/23/2014 11:16:49 PM, tulle wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:06:11 PM, thett3 wrote:

The way Slytherin House was portrayed in the novels, on balance, harmed the series. (Pro)

How so? I'd debate you on that.

She made them out to be essentially evil to a man. The only exceptions were Slughorn and Snape, one of whom was a connection hungry buffoon who was ultimately a weak man, and the other who's only redeeming value was his obsessive infatuation with Lily. Don't get me wrong, I love the character of Snape but I think he's fundamentally a broken man and at the very least a very grey character. In book five, the sorting hat warned that in order to survive the outside threat of voldemort and the death eaters the houses had to unite. They did not, and Voldemort was still defeated.

The character of Voldemort was portrayed poorly (Pro)

What do you mean by that?

Salazar Slytherin's views on Muggleborns were justifiable given the context (Pro)

lol what context??

Well I read a good article that made the argument in a somewhat compelling way, but given how little we know of ancient wizarding history a lot of my case would have to be based on speculation of what social conditions were like in those days.

Judicial usage of the Dementors Kiss can be justified (Pro/Con)

I'd consider this one also.

Well after thinking about it, I don't really see a Pro argument haha

I'm very much interested in that first topic though, but could you expound on that?
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7/23/2014 11:28:02 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/23/2014 11:06:11 PM, thett3 wrote:
I'm interested in doing some kind of debate relating to Harry Potter. Some potential topics:

Hermione's campaign to free the House Elves was, on balance, wrong headed (Pro)

Maybe, but I'd tweak the wording a bit. Other ideas:

The young Dumbledore was more good than bad. (Pro)
Felix Felicis is a potential plot hole. (Pro)
Hedwig should not have died. (Pro)
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7/23/2014 11:29:29 PM
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At 7/23/2014 11:28:02 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:06:11 PM, thett3 wrote:
I'm interested in doing some kind of debate relating to Harry Potter. Some potential topics:

Hermione's campaign to free the House Elves was, on balance, wrong headed (Pro)

Maybe, but I'd tweak the wording a bit. Other ideas:

The young Dumbledore was more good than bad. (Pro)

Agree

Felix Felicis is a potential plot hole. (Pro)

Probably agree...interested in seeing your reasoning though.

Hedwig should not have died. (Pro)

Nah bro. Hedwig's death symbolized the end of Harry's innocence. I mean, you could make the argument that JKR didn't use it properly, but I think she had to die. I'll admit some tears came down though, poor Hedwig
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7/23/2014 11:30:48 PM
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At 7/23/2014 11:13:27 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:06:55 PM, YYW wrote:
Such Slythern. Wow.

Haha whatever man. I've been reading this series of articles this guy wrote post Ootp- Post DH and most of his arguments are fascinating and sparked my interested. In fact he theorized that one of the reasons Slytherin House was so FUBAR by Harry's time was that Voldemort had jinxed the hat when he visited Dumbledores office, but likely not. It seems JKR just sucked at portraying it.

Well, given that Snape, who was perhaps one of the bravest characters from the whole book, was Slytherin I don't think Slytherin was/is inherently bad. It's also possible that the other houses could have had equally bad characters, albeit they would be bad for different reasons. Hufflepuff would be an eco-terrorist, Gryffindor would be a charismatic dictator and Ravenclaw would produce someone like Vladimir Lenin.
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7/23/2014 11:31:39 PM
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At 7/23/2014 11:29:29 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:28:02 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:06:11 PM, thett3 wrote:
I'm interested in doing some kind of debate relating to Harry Potter. Some potential topics:

Probably agree...interested in seeing your reasoning though.

If Voldy had taken Felix Felicis, Harry would've died, or Voldy would've successfully acquired the Sorcerer's Stone, or Voldy would've successfully obtained victory over Harry in the last book.

Hedwig should not have died. (Pro)

Nah bro. Hedwig's death symbolized the end of Harry's innocence. I mean, you could make the argument that JKR didn't use it properly, but I think she had to die. I'll admit some tears came down though, poor Hedwig

No...does not compute...Hedwig must live...no...
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7/23/2014 11:31:53 PM
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7/23/2014 11:32:09 PM
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At 7/23/2014 11:30:48 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:13:27 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:06:55 PM, YYW wrote:
Such Slythern. Wow.

Haha whatever man. I've been reading this series of articles this guy wrote post Ootp- Post DH and most of his arguments are fascinating and sparked my interested. In fact he theorized that one of the reasons Slytherin House was so FUBAR by Harry's time was that Voldemort had jinxed the hat when he visited Dumbledores office, but likely not. It seems JKR just sucked at portraying it.

Well, given that Snape, who was perhaps one of the bravest characters from the whole book, was Slytherin I don't think Slytherin was/is inherently bad.

I'd argue that having one odd man out, who Dumbledore implied was incorrectly sorted ("Sometimes we sort too soon") simply does not outweigh the abysmal portrayal of the house during the rest of the series

It's also possible that the other houses could have had equally bad characters, albeit they would be bad for different reasons. Hufflepuff would be an eco-terrorist, Gryffindor would be a charismatic dictator and Ravenclaw would produce someone like Vladimir Lenin.
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7/23/2014 11:34:54 PM
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At 7/23/2014 11:31:39 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:29:29 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:28:02 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:06:11 PM, thett3 wrote:
I'm interested in doing some kind of debate relating to Harry Potter. Some potential topics:

Probably agree...interested in seeing your reasoning though.

If Voldy had taken Felix Felicis, Harry would've died, or Voldy would've successfully acquired the Sorcerer's Stone, or Voldy would've successfully obtained victory over Harry in the last book.

Hmm. Well, I'm not sure I would characterize that as a plot hole as much as Voldemort being monumentally stupid. I'm pretty sure that making Horcruxes harms more than ones soul. In Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality Harry thought that Voldemort *had* to be dumb because anyone who *failed* to take over the Wizarding World had to be stupid because it would be so easy. I'd be inclined to agree.

I agree that Felix Felicis was a really stupid gimmick though.

Hedwig should not have died. (Pro)

Nah bro. Hedwig's death symbolized the end of Harry's innocence. I mean, you could make the argument that JKR didn't use it properly, but I think she had to die. I'll admit some tears came down though, poor Hedwig

No...does not compute...Hedwig must live...no...
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7/23/2014 11:36:58 PM
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At 7/23/2014 11:31:53 PM, Mikal wrote:
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7/23/2014 11:37:52 PM
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At 7/23/2014 11:32:09 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:30:48 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:13:27 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:06:55 PM, YYW wrote:
Such Slythern. Wow.

Haha whatever man. I've been reading this series of articles this guy wrote post Ootp- Post DH and most of his arguments are fascinating and sparked my interested. In fact he theorized that one of the reasons Slytherin House was so FUBAR by Harry's time was that Voldemort had jinxed the hat when he visited Dumbledores office, but likely not. It seems JKR just sucked at portraying it.

Well, given that Snape, who was perhaps one of the bravest characters from the whole book, was Slytherin I don't think Slytherin was/is inherently bad.

I'd argue that having one odd man out, who Dumbledore implied was incorrectly sorted ("Sometimes we sort too soon") simply does not outweigh the abysmal portrayal of the house during the rest of the series

That might be fair, although whether Snape was correctly sorted or not has no bearing on how the house was portrayed. The fact is that he 'was' a Slytherin, and who he was is is one of the most significant parts of the House's overall portrayal.

I'd ask you why you think the house was abysmally portrayed, but I don't want to put you in a position to expose your arguments. Though I am genuinely curious what your reasons are.

It's also possible that the other houses could have had equally bad characters, albeit they would be bad for different reasons. Hufflepuff would be an eco-terrorist, Gryffindor would be a charismatic dictator and Ravenclaw would produce someone like Vladimir Lenin.
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7/23/2014 11:38:37 PM
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At 7/23/2014 11:34:54 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:31:39 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:29:29 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:28:02 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:06:11 PM, thett3 wrote:
I'm interested in doing some kind of debate relating to Harry Potter. Some potential topics:

Probably agree...interested in seeing your reasoning though.

If Voldy had taken Felix Felicis, Harry would've died, or Voldy would've successfully acquired the Sorcerer's Stone, or Voldy would've successfully obtained victory over Harry in the last book.

Hmm. Well, I'm not sure I would characterize that as a plot hole as much as Voldemort being monumentally stupid.

Not in a conventional sense, but I certainly think Voldemort would've been smart enough to use it. I certainly am sure he knew about it--why didn't he then?

I agree that Felix Felicis was a really stupid gimmick though.

Agreed.
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7/23/2014 11:39:05 PM
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At 7/23/2014 11:37:52 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:32:09 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:30:48 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:13:27 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:06:55 PM, YYW wrote:
Such Slythern. Wow.

Haha whatever man. I've been reading this series of articles this guy wrote post Ootp- Post DH and most of his arguments are fascinating and sparked my interested. In fact he theorized that one of the reasons Slytherin House was so FUBAR by Harry's time was that Voldemort had jinxed the hat when he visited Dumbledores office, but likely not. It seems JKR just sucked at portraying it.

Well, given that Snape, who was perhaps one of the bravest characters from the whole book, was Slytherin I don't think Slytherin was/is inherently bad.

I'd argue that having one odd man out, who Dumbledore implied was incorrectly sorted ("Sometimes we sort too soon") simply does not outweigh the abysmal portrayal of the house during the rest of the series

That might be fair, although whether Snape was correctly sorted or not has no bearing on how the house was portrayed. The fact is that he 'was' a Slytherin, and who he was is is one of the most significant parts of the House's overall portrayal.

I'd ask you why you think the house was abysmally portrayed, but I don't want to put you in a position to expose your arguments. Though I am genuinely curious what your reasons are.

This article sums up my position well although obviously there are different thoughts I have. http://bronzedragon.tumblr.com...

It's also possible that the other houses could have had equally bad characters, albeit they would be bad for different reasons. Hufflepuff would be an eco-terrorist, Gryffindor would be a charismatic dictator and Ravenclaw would produce someone like Vladimir Lenin.
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7/23/2014 11:40:29 PM
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At 7/23/2014 11:38:37 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:34:54 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:31:39 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:29:29 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:28:02 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:06:11 PM, thett3 wrote:
I'm interested in doing some kind of debate relating to Harry Potter. Some potential topics:

Probably agree...interested in seeing your reasoning though.

If Voldy had taken Felix Felicis, Harry would've died, or Voldy would've successfully acquired the Sorcerer's Stone, or Voldy would've successfully obtained victory over Harry in the last book.

Hmm. Well, I'm not sure I would characterize that as a plot hole as much as Voldemort being monumentally stupid.

Not in a conventional sense, but I certainly think Voldemort would've been smart enough to use it. I certainly am sure he knew about it--why didn't he then?

Yeah, fair point. Especially given the fact that he had an absolutely brilliant potions maker as a death eater. Oh, hey, that reminds me. Resolved: The term Death Eater sounds stupid

I agree that Felix Felicis was a really stupid gimmick though.

Agreed.
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7/23/2014 11:41:22 PM
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At 7/23/2014 11:39:30 PM, YYW wrote:
"J.K. Rowling would have ruined the entire series if she killed off Ron." (Pro)

I like Ron. I used to be on the "he was the useless friend" bandwagon but, in retrospect, I feel like Ron is the most relatable character.
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7/23/2014 11:43:06 PM
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At 7/23/2014 11:40:29 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:38:37 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:34:54 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:31:39 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:29:29 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:28:02 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:06:11 PM, thett3 wrote:
I'm interested in doing some kind of debate relating to Harry Potter. Some potential topics:

Probably agree...interested in seeing your reasoning though.

If Voldy had taken Felix Felicis, Harry would've died, or Voldy would've successfully acquired the Sorcerer's Stone, or Voldy would've successfully obtained victory over Harry in the last book.

Hmm. Well, I'm not sure I would characterize that as a plot hole as much as Voldemort being monumentally stupid.

Not in a conventional sense, but I certainly think Voldemort would've been smart enough to use it. I certainly am sure he knew about it--why didn't he then?

Yeah, fair point. Especially given the fact that he had an absolutely brilliant potions maker as a death eater. Oh, hey, that reminds me. Resolved: The term Death Eater sounds stupid

Well, remember that he was also taught by Slughorn, who offered the potion as a prize. So, Voldemort would've known that it existed.

Lol...I agree. It does sound stupid.
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7/23/2014 11:43:15 PM
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At 7/23/2014 11:39:05 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:37:52 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:32:09 PM, thett3 wrote:
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Such Slythern. Wow.

Haha whatever man. I've been reading this series of articles this guy wrote post Ootp- Post DH and most of his arguments are fascinating and sparked my interested. In fact he theorized that one of the reasons Slytherin House was so FUBAR by Harry's time was that Voldemort had jinxed the hat when he visited Dumbledores office, but likely not. It seems JKR just sucked at portraying it.

Well, given that Snape, who was perhaps one of the bravest characters from the whole book, was Slytherin I don't think Slytherin was/is inherently bad.

I'd argue that having one odd man out, who Dumbledore implied was incorrectly sorted ("Sometimes we sort too soon") simply does not outweigh the abysmal portrayal of the house during the rest of the series

That might be fair, although whether Snape was correctly sorted or not has no bearing on how the house was portrayed. The fact is that he 'was' a Slytherin, and who he was is is one of the most significant parts of the House's overall portrayal.

I'd ask you why you think the house was abysmally portrayed, but I don't want to put you in a position to expose your arguments. Though I am genuinely curious what your reasons are.

This article sums up my position well although obviously there are different thoughts I have. http://bronzedragon.tumblr.com...

Hmmm.... I'll have to look into that.


It's also possible that the other houses could have had equally bad characters, albeit they would be bad for different reasons. Hufflepuff would be an eco-terrorist, Gryffindor would be a charismatic dictator and Ravenclaw would produce someone like Vladimir Lenin.
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7/23/2014 11:49:02 PM
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At 7/23/2014 11:41:22 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:39:30 PM, YYW wrote:
"J.K. Rowling would have ruined the entire series if she killed off Ron." (Pro)

I like Ron. I used to be on the "he was the useless friend" bandwagon but, in retrospect, I feel like Ron is the most relatable character.

I think so too, in a general sense, and I also think he's one of the most underrated and valuable characters in the series. When I heard Rowling talk about how she should have killed him off, I saw red.
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7/23/2014 11:54:58 PM
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At 7/23/2014 11:49:02 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:41:22 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:39:30 PM, YYW wrote:
"J.K. Rowling would have ruined the entire series if she killed off Ron." (Pro)

I like Ron. I used to be on the "he was the useless friend" bandwagon but, in retrospect, I feel like Ron is the most relatable character.

I think so too, in a general sense, and I also think he's one of the most underrated and valuable characters in the series. When I heard Rowling talk about how she should have killed him off, I saw red.

I'm not so sure that he and Hermione should've been married though but that isn't something I'm willing to debate.
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7/23/2014 11:58:09 PM
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At 7/23/2014 11:54:58 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:49:02 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:41:22 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 7/23/2014 11:39:30 PM, YYW wrote:
"J.K. Rowling would have ruined the entire series if she killed off Ron." (Pro)

I like Ron. I used to be on the "he was the useless friend" bandwagon but, in retrospect, I feel like Ron is the most relatable character.

I think so too, in a general sense, and I also think he's one of the most underrated and valuable characters in the series. When I heard Rowling talk about how she should have killed him off, I saw red.

I'm not so sure that he and Hermione should've been married though but that isn't something I'm willing to debate.

Agreed.
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7/23/2014 11:59:20 PM
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Resolved: Draco Malfoy deserved to live.
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