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8/2/2014 1:33:41 PM
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Who do you think are the most underrated debaters (ELO wise)?

Go ahead, and make some shoutouts!
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8/2/2014 1:43:56 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
The first person who comes to mind is Envisage.
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8/2/2014 1:46:51 PM
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Larz. His Elo is only 3,000, but it might as well be 5,000.
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8/2/2014 1:48:45 PM
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8/2/2014 1:59:24 PM
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At 8/2/2014 1:57:59 PM, SPENCERJOYAGE14 wrote:
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Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

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SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

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8/2/2014 3:13:37 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/2/2014 2:52:29 PM, Mikal wrote:
envisage hands down

He's ok and he's gotten better since he joined the site. I wouldn't go so far as to say that he is the most underrated, but he's definitely good.
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8/2/2014 4:41:24 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/2/2014 3:13:37 PM, YYW wrote:
At 8/2/2014 2:52:29 PM, Mikal wrote:
envisage hands down

He's ok and he's gotten better since he joined the site. I wouldn't go so far as to say that he is the most underrated, but he's definitely good.

as in least rated ya I think so

there are other great debaters but all of them are considered good. His elo is in no way reflective of his debating skill.
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8/2/2014 6:10:13 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
definitely envisage, YYW is pretty underrated, I feel like I need more of an elo of around ~2150 to display my skills, Raisor's pretty underrated
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8/2/2014 6:51:00 PM
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Envisage is about the only one that comes to mind. Although I could probably name 1000 debaters who are overrated or have an ELO that is way higher than what would reflect their debate skills.
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8/2/2014 6:52:03 PM
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At 8/2/2014 6:51:00 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Envisage is about the only one that comes to mind. Although I could probably name 1000 debaters who are overrated or have an ELO that is way higher than what would reflect their debate skills.

That would be a better thread, but it'd be called a "call-out" thread and deleted.
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8/2/2014 6:55:51 PM
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At 8/2/2014 1:33:41 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
Who do you think are the most underrated debaters (ELO wise)?

Go ahead, and make some shoutouts!

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8/2/2014 7:02:15 PM
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At 8/2/2014 6:52:03 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 8/2/2014 6:51:00 PM, xXCryptoXx wrote:
Envisage is about the only one that comes to mind. Although I could probably name 1000 debaters who are overrated or have an ELO that is way higher than what would reflect their debate skills.

That would be a better thread, but it'd be called a "call-out" thread and deleted.

Eh, such a thread really wouldn't serve any great purpose, although it would probably be dramatic and entertaining.
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8/2/2014 9:22:04 PM
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Oh yeah and Garrett Dupre. He loses because of the impossible positions he takes, but his ELO could easily be a lot higher if he took more reasonable positions.
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8/2/2014 9:30:30 PM
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I think bladerunner is also quite underrated; he obviously is busy with quite a bit else and doesn't debate as much as many others, but he is easily worthy of at least a 5000 ELO.
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8/3/2014 9:24:01 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Envisage and Larz. In my opinion, zmikecuber too if you use my ELO as a centre point.
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8/3/2014 10:39:31 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/2/2014 1:46:51 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
Larz. His Elo is only 3,000, but it might as well be 5,000.

yeah man...and he slays so much "beasts" XD
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8/3/2014 7:28:55 PM
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Da hell? How the hell am I underrated?!

If everyone thinks I am underrated then clearly I cannot be, that would like saying 'everyone is above average'. Plus I have 11 losses and I don't debate economics...

Anyway, I regard Toviyah as largely underrated/unknown, and Garret (when he's actually debating seriously). Thoughtsandthoughts and schachdame are also somewhere on that list.
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8/3/2014 7:33:35 PM
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It's gotta be Mikal and Roy.
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8/3/2014 7:37:46 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/3/2014 7:33:35 PM, thett3 wrote:
It's gotta be Mikal and Roy.

lol
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
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8/3/2014 7:50:38 PM
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At 8/3/2014 7:33:35 PM, thett3 wrote:
It's gotta be Mikal and Roy.

Nah, Roy is totally overated. His ELO should be like 2500. Mikal's ELO should be like 40,000.
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8/3/2014 7:56:35 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/2/2014 3:13:37 PM, YYW wrote:
At 8/2/2014 2:52:29 PM, Mikal wrote:
envisage hands down

He's ok and he's gotten better since he joined the site. I wouldn't go so far as to say that he is the most underrated, but he's definitely good.

I might not be one to judge, but Envisage gave me an awful impression when he first joined (under his other username). Then all of a sudden he became one of the best debaters ever. I think it's because he changed his username??? lol

At 8/3/2014 7:28:55 PM, Envisage wrote:
I regard Toviyah as largely underrated/unknown

After that debate I had with him over Sedevacantism, I have to agree.
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8/3/2014 9:57:30 PM
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At 8/3/2014 7:56:35 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 8/2/2014 3:13:37 PM, YYW wrote:
At 8/2/2014 2:52:29 PM, Mikal wrote:
envisage hands down

He's ok and he's gotten better since he joined the site. I wouldn't go so far as to say that he is the most underrated, but he's definitely good.

I might not be one to judge, but Envisage gave me an awful impression when he first joined (under his other username). Then all of a sudden he became one of the best debaters ever. I think it's because he changed his username??? lol

Idk, but I definitely agree with that assessment, Garrett. He didn't make a good first impression with me, but he's grown on me.

At 8/3/2014 7:28:55 PM, Envisage wrote:
I regard Toviyah as largely underrated/unknown

After that debate I had with him over Sedevacantism, I have to agree.
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8/4/2014 12:37:55 AM
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At 8/2/2014 9:30:30 PM, JohnMaynardKeynes wrote:
I think bladerunner is also quite underrated; he is easily worthy of at least a 5000 ELO.

I second this.
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8/4/2014 6:51:40 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/2/2014 1:33:41 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
Who do you think are the most underrated debaters (ELO wise)?

Go ahead, and make some shoutouts!

Miles_Donahue

Is without question my most underrated debater on this site,

His last debate was with Sargon and I believe he won, I withheld my vote until three minutes before the voting period ended as not to encourage anybody to equal or surpass my vote out of not wanting Sargon to lose or even Sargon himself not wanting to lose. But -unfortunately even that wasn't enough, as I did post my vote three minutes before the voting period ended which would have only gave both debaters a tie, but as soon as I posted my vote a bogus RFD came in from Subutai with 60 seconds remaining which made Sargon the winner.

This actually caused Miles to stop debating here any more. which is a huge shame in my opinion.

Here is the debate in question

http://www.debate.org...
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8/4/2014 9:21:46 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/4/2014 6:51:40 AM, johnlubba wrote:
At 8/2/2014 1:33:41 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
Who do you think are the most underrated debaters (ELO wise)?

Go ahead, and make some shoutouts!

Miles_Donahue

Is without question my most underrated debater on this site,

His last debate was with Sargon and I believe he won, I withheld my vote until three minutes before the voting period ended as not to encourage anybody to equal or surpass my vote out of not wanting Sargon to lose or even Sargon himself not wanting to lose. But -unfortunately even that wasn't enough, as I did post my vote three minutes before the voting period ended which would have only gave both debaters a tie, but as soon as I posted my vote a bogus RFD came in from Subutai with 60 seconds remaining which made Sargon the winner.

This actually caused Miles to stop debating here any more. which is a huge shame in my opinion.


Here is the debate in question


http://www.debate.org...

That was uncalled for. My vote did not have a bogus RFD. And if someone quit debating because they lost, there's no reason to respect them anyway.
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