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*Presidential Update -- Week 14*

bladerunner060
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9/21/2014 2:56:26 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Howdy folks, it's that time of the week again!

This week's a little bit different, since there's something relatively important (if somewhat depressing) that's come up. When I ran for the presidency, I promised as much transparency as I could reasonably provide, bearing in mind that member privacy is an important concern. Moderation is included in this goal of transparency. This past week, a long-time member received a long-term ban. This was going to be noticed, so after conferring with airmax on it, it seems worth discussing, and he's agreed that there's some benefit to the community in doing so. I usually try to keep these things general but, as I said, I knew that this would get noticed. So without further ado:

AnDoctuir has received a one-month ban for some recent behavioral issues.

I will not be going into the specifics per se. The purpose here isn't to shame him by any means, and when he comes back, I hope we can all give him somewhat of a fresh start. The purpose is to be transparent about the process of moderation, as much as possible. When he comes back, if he wants to get into more of the details, that's his choice. Again, though, I'd like to emphasize that we should give him as much as possible a fresh start.

That said, there are expectations of site conduct. At this point, most of us are at least generally familiar with them. No one should ever, hopefully, need to get talked to about them, but of course when in doubt, message airmax or myself (though bear in mind airmax is the one who makes these final determinations).

In this case, without going into specifics, the issue was one of personal abuse and insult. As we all know, personal attacks are against the site conduct rules. In some instances, what that constitutes may be arguable. But in some cases, and specifically in this one, it's really not. Multiple lesser attempts at resolving things were attempted. Unfortunately, they were unsuccessful--even after the bluntest of warnings. The mods are not perfect, and do not seek to ban people, nor do they comb the forums specifically looking to get folks in trouble. But at the same time, there are site behavior expectations. None of us are allowed to violate them without consequence. And ultimately, members who ignore explicit warnings do so at their peril.

When there has been a trend, and when that trend continues despite warnings and less drastic intervention, unfortunately intervention begins to scale up--even on things that, were they isolated incidents, would not warrant the response they get because they aren't isolated. Even small things add up. Airmax, it should be remembered, is the moderator. He is given the power by Juggle to make the final determination in these cases. They say you can't fight city hall; however, thanks to the working relationship he and I have, I am able to function as the president is supposed to: I can advocate for members. In the broader sense, I hope to advocate for what we all want--with Juggle and with airmax. Y'all voted for me to represent all of you, not just want I personally want, and I always try to bear that in mind.

But in the context of moderation action, specific to a member, my job is to advocate for members individually. To help airmax find ways of resolving the situation, if at all possible. For isolated incidents, often just being talked to is enough. When there's a trend, though, airmax may ask me to reach out to the member, in order to be another voice to let them know the seriousness of the situation. When that happens, though I'm there to try to help resolve the situation, I'm not there to help find a loophole, or tell a lie. My intention is to find an honest way to resolve the problem in a satisfactory way. If that doesn't happen--if, despite repeated warnings, behavior doesn't improve, then I can't in good conscience disagree with mod action.

So, to bring this the long way back round the mountain and to the original subject of discussion:

Abuse is never okay. If someone says something that you find personally insulting, feel free to report them, with the understanding that merely saying something you don't like isn't necessarily a personal attack under the conduct guidelines. If you're upset, ignore them if you can't respond reasonably. If you respond, bear in mind that your response is still held to site conduct standards even if you're really bothered by what they said. Respond reasonably, and you won't ever have an issue. If you do need to be talked to, understand that ignoring warnings means...well, that you've ignored the warnings. They aren't idle threats, they're notices of likely enforcement action.

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And this week, for site tips/tricks/and history:

First, a shoutout to UchihaMadara, who asked a question (and is seriously the first person to actually take me up on my offer, in the last 13 weeks as far as I remember...) Unfortuntely, I can't answer the question.

The problem with the specific question he asked was that airmax's policy (and I say his, because it's his prerogative, but I think it's a god policy, too) is that members who want a fresh start get one. So if a member deactivates their account and creates a new one, neither the mods nor myself will "out" them without permission. If you want to know, you can ask them directly. In general, it's just not a question that'll get answered by anyone official.

So my apologies, UchihaMadara, that I can't answer the question. But, like I said, shoutout anyway!

This week's site tip is about friend requests.

When you send someone a friend request, it allows you to send them a message as well. This is a nice way to make a comment while you friend them. However, when you do this, sometimes the message gets truncated and, more importantly, once they clear the friend request, the message vanishes. So, for example, if you send someone a link to something in a friend request, not only is there a good chance it might get truncated, but also, unless they click on it before they click accept, it'll go away. So if there's something you actually want to say to someone (as opposed to just saying "hi!" or "I liked your post on XYZ!", you'd be better served sending them a friend request, then sending them a PM.

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As always, reach out to me or my VP bsh1 with any questions, comments, or concerns. If you have any ideas for site tips or tricks, or if you have a site history question, shoot me a message. And do the same if you have a debate that, for some reason, is voteless--I'm still on track for making sure that all debates get votes, but if yours gets somehow missed, let me know!

On a related note, actually: While my priority this administration is to ensure all debates get at least one vote, I also try to just generically vote on any debate someone asks me to look at, and certainly any debate I'm asked to judge. That whole "please message me" thing applies there, too--I never miss anything on purpose, so I won't ever begrudge a reminder.

That's it for this week, folks! Sorry it wasn't the cheeriest one...and that it's so long-winded!
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bladerunner060
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9/21/2014 2:58:22 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
In fact, it was so long-winded I didn't have space to put the links to previous weeks:

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Week 1
http://www.debate.org...
Week 2
http://www.debate.org...
Week 3
http://www.debate.org...
Week 4
http://www.debate.org...
Week 5 (labeled as Week 6, apparently I've just noticed, but I dropped it into bsh1's lap because I got called out of town on a moment's notice, so it's not his fault)
http://www.debate.org...
Week 6
http://www.debate.org...
Week 7
http://www.debate.org...
Week 8
http://www.debate.org...
Week 9
http://www.debate.org...
Week 10
http://www.debate.org...
Week 11
http://www.debate.org...
Week 12
http://www.debate.org...
Week 13
http://www.debate.org...
And just to be meta, Week 14
http://www.debate.org...
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cipeylsrs
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9/21/2014 3:36:10 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/21/2014 2:56:26 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:

Instead of trying to be transparent, you should just be transparently corrupt and tell us nothing.
If I offend you, I am genuinely sorry.

Please tell your diary and send the pain to me telepathically, if it helps prick a voodoo doll, I hear that your hand makes a good one.
Ragnar
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9/21/2014 10:31:25 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Always good to see transparency in the system, particularly in regards to the conduct policy.

Members seeking fresh starts is probably a good thing. The fact that we've all seen bad examples, with some members outright abusing the new account option (like PMing the people that blocked their old account), yet for each one of them there's probably several who actually use it as a fresh start and change their behavior.

Hopefully I'm not being presumptuous...
A tip related to the tip: If active here, it's a good idea to set yourself to be able to be messaged from any user (instead of the default of just your friend list). The cost is pretty low (periodically receiving spam love letters, and group invites). The benefit is high, as there's a dozen or more valid reasons why someone would have reason to PM you.
To do this, use the following link (http://www.debate.org...), and within it the third row down "Who can send you messages?" set it to "Everybody," then click "save changes."
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ESocialBookworm
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9/21/2014 11:51:07 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/21/2014 2:56:26 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
The problem with the specific question he asked was that airmax's policy (and I say his, because it's his prerogative, but I think it's a god policy, too) is that members who want a fresh start get one. So if a member deactivates their account and creates a new one, neither the mods nor myself will "out" them without permission. If you want to know, you can ask them directly. In general, it's just not a question that'll get answered by anyone official.
UMM...
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I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

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Me~
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MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
bladerunner060
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9/21/2014 7:07:36 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/21/2014 10:31:25 AM, Ragnar wrote:
Always good to see transparency in the system, particularly in regards to the conduct policy.

Members seeking fresh starts is probably a good thing. The fact that we've all seen bad examples, with some members outright abusing the new account option (like PMing the people that blocked their old account), yet for each one of them there's probably several who actually use it as a fresh start and change their behavior.

Hopefully I'm not being presumptuous...
A tip related to the tip: If active here, it's a good idea to set yourself to be able to be messaged from any user (instead of the default of just your friend list). The cost is pretty low (periodically receiving spam love letters, and group invites). The benefit is high, as there's a dozen or more valid reasons why someone would have reason to PM you.
To do this, use the following link (http://www.debate.org...), and within it the third row down "Who can send you messages?" set it to "Everybody," then click "save changes."

It's not presumptuous! Though, to be selfish, I wish you'd PMd me, because it's starting to get harder to think up good weekly tips.

I've had it set to friends only since...forever, though I've considered changing it given my position. I think you underestimate the cost at times--when there's an upsurge in spammers, which happens periodically, it gets QUITE aggravating.
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bladerunner060
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9/21/2014 7:08:01 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/21/2014 11:51:07 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 9/21/2014 2:56:26 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
The problem with the specific question he asked was that airmax's policy (and I say his, because it's his prerogative, but I think it's a god policy, too) is that members who want a fresh start get one. So if a member deactivates their account and creates a new one, neither the mods nor myself will "out" them without permission. If you want to know, you can ask them directly. In general, it's just not a question that'll get answered by anyone official.
UMM...

Stupid typos...
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ESocialBookworm
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9/21/2014 7:11:59 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/21/2014 7:08:01 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 9/21/2014 11:51:07 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 9/21/2014 2:56:26 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
The problem with the specific question he asked was that airmax's policy (and I say his, because it's his prerogative, but I think it's a god policy, too) is that members who want a fresh start get one. So if a member deactivates their account and creates a new one, neither the mods nor myself will "out" them without permission. If you want to know, you can ask them directly. In general, it's just not a question that'll get answered by anyone official.
UMM...

Stupid typos...

Unless..../
*gasps*

AIRMAX IS GOD. :O
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
Zaradi
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9/22/2014 3:33:39 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/21/2014 7:11:59 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 9/21/2014 7:08:01 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 9/21/2014 11:51:07 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 9/21/2014 2:56:26 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
The problem with the specific question he asked was that airmax's policy (and I say his, because it's his prerogative, but I think it's a god policy, too) is that members who want a fresh start get one. So if a member deactivates their account and creates a new one, neither the mods nor myself will "out" them without permission. If you want to know, you can ask them directly. In general, it's just not a question that'll get answered by anyone official.
UMM...

Stupid typos...

Unless..../
*gasps*

AIRMAX IS GOD. :O

Blademax was really true all along! I knew it! I knew it! They tried to tell me I was crazy but I was right!
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Linkish1O2
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9/22/2014 3:55:20 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I wonder how many times I have possibly violated the policy and code.
hmmmmmm, ill stroke my imaginary beard and humbly brood over the situation.
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TheGreatAndPowerful
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9/22/2014 8:42:45 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/22/2014 3:55:20 AM, Linkish1O2 wrote:
I wonder how many times I have possibly violated the policy and code.
hmmmmmm, ill stroke my imaginary beard and humbly brood over the situation.

It's broad enough that everyone violates it which basically gives moderators universal discretionary power to ban and forgive whomever they wish.