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Freeman
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3/31/2010 10:33:27 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Why cant I select multiple options under my profile selection called "Ethnicity:"?

Ever since I was younger, I always hated filling out electronic forms that only let me choose one ethnic category. I would simply be lying if I picked only one. Hell, I would be lying if I only picked three.
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3/31/2010 10:36:56 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Choose the one most applicable. Just like on tests or quizzes, sometimes there might be more than one answer, but you're supposed to choose the best one.
Freeman
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3/31/2010 10:44:12 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/31/2010 10:36:56 PM, Nags wrote:
Choose the one most applicable. Just like on tests or quizzes, sometimes there might be more than one answer, but you're supposed to choose the best one.

Choosing only one option is too limiting.

Imagine being given a survey about religion and only having two options?

Are you a:

A.) Muslim
B.) Christian
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3/31/2010 10:46:55 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/31/2010 10:43:26 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
Some people don't feel that one is most applicable.

That's impossible. There must be, necessarily, one ethnicity that is more applicable than another. It's impossible for two or more to be equal.
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3/31/2010 10:48:53 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/31/2010 10:44:12 PM, Freeman wrote:
At 3/31/2010 10:36:56 PM, Nags wrote:
Choose the one most applicable. Just like on tests or quizzes, sometimes there might be more than one answer, but you're supposed to choose the best one.

Choosing only one option is too limiting.

Imagine being given a survey about religion and only having two options?

Are you a:

A.) Muslim
B.) Christian

Or how bout this one:

A) Democrat
B) Republican

Same concept.

Who knew Nags, out of all people, would make such an argument?
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3/31/2010 10:49:09 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
False dilemma. This isn't giving you two options. It's giving you numerous options. Just look at the religion list, there's much more than the two you mentioned.
Freeman
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3/31/2010 10:51:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/31/2010 10:46:55 PM, Nags wrote:
At 3/31/2010 10:43:26 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
Some people don't feel that one is most applicable.

That's impossible. There must be, necessarily, one ethnicity that is more applicable than another. It's impossible for two or more to be equal.

Are you a racist?
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3/31/2010 10:51:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/31/2010 10:46:55 PM, Nags wrote:
At 3/31/2010 10:43:26 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
Some people don't feel that one is most applicable.

That's impossible. There must be, necessarily, one ethnicity that is more applicable than another. It's impossible for two or more to be equal.

Clearly you don't know that many multiracial people.
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3/31/2010 10:53:50 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Thankfully I'm all white so don't have this problem. I can totally see where you're coming from though. Must be annoying to be so limited.
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3/31/2010 10:55:26 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Lmao. I knew Freeman would say that.

It's impossible for someone to have two ethnicities that are absolutely identical. And that is a fact. Choose the ethnicity that is more true or persistent than the other.
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3/31/2010 11:02:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/31/2010 10:55:26 PM, Nags wrote:
Lmao. I knew Freeman would say that.

It's impossible for someone to have two ethnicities that are absolutely identical. And that is a fact. Choose the ethnicity that is more true or persistent than the other.

Are you purposefully missing the point?

Of course if two ethnicities were absolutely identical they would be the same thing.

But there are some multiracial people who feel divided as to which ethnicity is "more persistent" or "more true" (what the heck does that even mean?).
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Freeman
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3/31/2010 11:09:14 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/31/2010 10:55:26 PM, Nags wrote:
Lmao. I knew Freeman would say that.

I don't know Nags. You worry me sometimes.

"Whites have continually proved to be smarter and more intelligent than blacks, as evidenced by Europeans domination of Africans. If given the choice of a white European or a black African to lead your country, it would be wise to be racist and choose the white European." -Nags

It's impossible for someone to have two ethnicities that are absolutely identical. And that is a fact. Choose the ethnicity that is more true or persistent than the other.

Ok, here are a few hypothetical situations. Tell me which pick you think is the "most applicable"?

A.) Japanese, Black
B.) Filipino, White, Indian
C.) Chinese, Hispanic, Native American
D.) White, Black, Hispanic, Native American, Japanese
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3/31/2010 11:15:25 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/31/2010 10:44:12 PM, Freeman wrote:
At 3/31/2010 10:36:56 PM, Nags wrote:
Choose the one most applicable. Just like on tests or quizzes, sometimes there might be more than one answer, but you're supposed to choose the best one.

Choosing only one option is too limiting.

Imagine being given a survey about religion and only having two options?

Are you a:

A.) Muslim
B.) Christian

Do you seriously feel that emotionally and intellectually connected to your race?

My answer to this is:

Who cares!
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3/31/2010 11:18:53 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/31/2010 10:53:50 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Thankfully I'm all white so don't have this problem. I can totally see where you're coming from though. Must be annoying to be so limited.

White? You really think that pins down your race?

Irish, French, Danish, Polish, German, Italian, Spanish...?
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3/31/2010 11:19:20 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/31/2010 11:15:25 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/31/2010 10:44:12 PM, Freeman wrote:
At 3/31/2010 10:36:56 PM, Nags wrote:
Choose the one most applicable. Just like on tests or quizzes, sometimes there might be more than one answer, but you're supposed to choose the best one.

Choosing only one option is too limiting.

Imagine being given a survey about religion and only having two options?

Are you a:

A.) Muslim
B.) Christian

Do you seriously feel that emotionally and intellectually connected to your race?

My answer to this is:

Who cares!

I don't care at all. But, at the same time, I don't like being boxed in.
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3/31/2010 11:20:05 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Sorry for taking long to post, I'm on my iPhone.

@pop

It's illogical to have two ethnicities that are equally representing of a person. Sure, a person might be divided, but that's not the lists' fault, it's the person's fault. One ethnicity must be, necessarily, more representing of a person than another ethnicity.

@Freeman

That's not an option on this site and I've never experienced such an option, so I don't see the relevance.
Freeman
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3/31/2010 11:26:54 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/31/2010 11:20:05 PM, Nags wrote:
Sorry for taking long to post, I'm on my iPhone.

@pop

It's illogical to have two ethnicities that are equally representing of a person. Sure, a person might be divided, but that's not the lists' fault, it's the person's fault. One ethnicity must be, necessarily, more representing of a person than another ethnicity.

@Freeman

That's not an option on this site and I've never experienced such an option, so I don't see the relevance.

You're dodging my question.

Imagine meeting these multiracial people.

A.) Japanese, Black
B.) Filipino, White, Indian
C.) Chinese, Hispanic, Native American
D.) White, Black, Hispanic, Native American, Japanese

Please, by all means, tell me which option person A, B, C, and D should choose.
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3/31/2010 11:28:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/31/2010 11:19:20 PM, Freeman wrote:
At 3/31/2010 11:15:25 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Do you seriously feel that emotionally and intellectually connected to your race?

My answer to this is:

Who cares!

I don't care at all. But, at the same time, I don't like being boxed in.

By saying that, you are acknowledging that it has even a slight bit of importance. I think being labeled one race or a mixture of races is being boxed in. I belong to the human race.
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3/31/2010 11:30:13 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
A person can be multiracial, sure. However, a person can not be equiracial. Meaning, a person can't be 50% Race A, 50% Race B. One race must be more prevalent somewhere down the bloodlines.
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3/31/2010 11:35:16 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/31/2010 11:15:25 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/31/2010 10:44:12 PM, Freeman wrote:
At 3/31/2010 10:36:56 PM, Nags wrote:
Choose the one most applicable. Just like on tests or quizzes, sometimes there might be more than one answer, but you're supposed to choose the best one.

Choosing only one option is too limiting.

Imagine being given a survey about religion and only having two options?

Are you a:

A.) Muslim
B.) Christian

Do you seriously feel that emotionally and intellectually connected to your race?

My answer to this is:

Who cares!

FOR REAL. this guy knows what's going on.
TheSkeptic
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3/31/2010 11:36:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/31/2010 11:30:13 PM, Nags wrote:
A person can be multiracial, sure. However, a person can not be equiracial. Meaning, a person can't be 50% Race A, 50% Race B. One race must be more prevalent somewhere down the bloodlines.

If we went by strict necessity, it is possible to be 50% Race A and 50% Race B.

Practically though, I agree it's highly unlikely to happen. However, what is the case is that such a distinction may be similar and thus it leaves the person at a difficult choice. For example, what would a child from a Chinese father and a British mother choose? Would ethnic identity refer to which he looks like more, acts like more (whatever that means), culturally identifies with more, what?

The problem with ethnic identity is that one can refer to many variables (culture, language, religion, etc.) that isn't so easily encapsulated by a few multiple choice bubbles.
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3/31/2010 11:41:28 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Strict necessicity, I suppose. But 0.000000000001% or less is the chance of a 50/50 split.

I don't really care if people can't gage which ethnicity they identify to more. There is one ethnicity which they belong to more. The divisiveness is irrelevant.
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4/1/2010 5:00:31 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
You only have one ethnicity... multi-racial people don't have multiple ethnicities, they have a mixed ethnicity. *facepalm*
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4/1/2010 10:36:40 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/31/2010 11:41:28 PM, Nags wrote:
Strict necessicity, I suppose. But 0.000000000001% or less is the chance of a 50/50 split.

I don't really care if people can't gage which ethnicity they identify to more. There is one ethnicity which they belong to more. The divisiveness is irrelevant.

lol i like how you speak of "belonging to an ethnicity" like its something that can be determined exactly. a genetic test will probably get you broad strokes, but ethnicity is just as much cultural as it is genetic. and a genetic test certainly wouldn't be enough to determine what ethnicity someone "really is" if they have 2 parents of different races.
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4/1/2010 2:21:11 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I hate these forms too, although they are probably neccesary. In England they are huge and cover numerous variations and combinations such as Mixed (African-Carribean and Chinese-Mandarin) or Mixed (White-Irish and Native American) etc.

I fit into the White (British) box which in my case probably includes Celtic, Saxon, Viking, Germanic, Norman and Semitic stock.

My daughter (although she is too young to fill in these forms herself) and her mum both fit into the Mixed (other) category, although like many people, my daughter's mother often chooses to tick the Not Saying box.

Often at work I have to fill in these forms on behalf of the young people participating in my music sessions and just guess what box to put them in rather than quiz them all on their ethnic background.
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4/1/2010 5:32:54 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/1/2010 10:36:40 AM, belle wrote:
At 3/31/2010 11:41:28 PM, Nags wrote:
Strict necessicity, I suppose. But 0.000000000001% or less is the chance of a 50/50 split.

I don't really care if people can't gage which ethnicity they identify to more. There is one ethnicity which they belong to more. The divisiveness is irrelevant.

lol i like how you speak of "belonging to an ethnicity" like its something that can be determined exactly. a genetic test will probably get you broad strokes, but ethnicity is just as much cultural as it is genetic. and a genetic test certainly wouldn't be enough to determine what ethnicity someone "really is" if they have 2 parents of different races.

In Sociology the term ethnicity is purely social. It is how one perceives one self and his or her affiliation to a social group.

Race is the Medical/Biological term.
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4/1/2010 5:35:09 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/1/2010 5:32:54 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 4/1/2010 10:36:40 AM, belle wrote:
At 3/31/2010 11:41:28 PM, Nags wrote:
Strict necessicity, I suppose. But 0.000000000001% or less is the chance of a 50/50 split.

I don't really care if people can't gage which ethnicity they identify to more. There is one ethnicity which they belong to more. The divisiveness is irrelevant.

lol i like how you speak of "belonging to an ethnicity" like its something that can be determined exactly. a genetic test will probably get you broad strokes, but ethnicity is just as much cultural as it is genetic. and a genetic test certainly wouldn't be enough to determine what ethnicity someone "really is" if they have 2 parents of different races.

In Sociology the term ethnicity is purely social. It is how one perceives one self and his or her affiliation to a social group.

Race is the Medical/Biological term.

yar, thats kind of what i meant. belonging to an ethnic group isn't purely genetic; people can easily identify with 2 or more ethnicities equally. so nags is full of it :P
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