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10/20/2014 10:35:07 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
The list you've all been waiting for. I may be dropping a bomb here since most of my opinions are unpopular, but I lurve controversy.

Socialism/communism:
A blanket debate on "Socialism is preferable to capitalism," (I would be Pro) or one of the more specific motions below.
Participatory planning is preferable to a market economy (Pro)
Private property should be abolished (Pro)
Capitalism is more democratic than socialism (Con)
A mixed economy solves the problems communists have with laissez-faire capitalism (Con)
There is no incentive to work in communist society (Con)
A centralised state is unnecessary (Pro)
Violent revolution is justified (Pro)
Socialism has never existed (Pro)
Freedom and equality are mutually exclusive (Con)
Capitalism necessitates war (Pro)

Other political and legal topics:
Healthcare, in the current socioeconomic system, should be nationalised (Pro)
The flat tax is fair (Con)
We should have the right to bear arms (Pro)
The death penalty should be employed in a statist society (Con)
Abortion should always be legal (Pro)
Hamas and the Israeli government are as bad as each other (Pro)
Palestinian statehood should be recognised (Pro)
Recreational marijuana should be legal (Pro)
Air strikes will improve the situation in Iraq (Con)

Society:
Gender roles should be abolished (Pro)
Feminism is justified and necessary (Pro)
Marriage should be replaced by free association (Pro)
The nuclear family should be preserved (Con)
LGBTQPAs should have equal rights to cisgender and heterosexual people. (Pro)
Nationalism has a positive impact on society (Con)
The Prussian model of education systems is good (Con)
Schools should be gender-segregated (Con)
Prostitution, in a capitalist society, should be legal (Pro)
Birth control should be provided for free (Pro)
People should be ashamed for masturbating (Con)
Sex outside marriage is immoral (Con)
Historical materialism is sound (Pro)

Philosophy/religion:
God exists (Con)
Religion should be institutionalised (Con)
Dialectics are inherently idealistic (Con)
Dialectics are sound (Pro)
Ideas are real (Con)
The self is a real, independent entity (Con)
Morality is absolute (Con)
Determinism is sound (Pro)
Humans evolved (Pro)
Humans are naturally selfish (Con)
Human nature exists (Con)
Happiness is the ultimate goal in life (Con)
Cultural relativism is sound (Pro)

Any takers?
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Material_Girl
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10/20/2014 10:43:04 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Also (thanks, Rev for unintentionally reminding me):

Meat-eating is immoral (Pro)
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Material_Girl
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10/20/2014 10:49:55 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
One more! Promise this'll be the last:

Humans have free will (Con)
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10/20/2014 11:11:58 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Resolved: Cucumbers are amazing (Pro)
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10/20/2014 11:19:28 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I'll debate you on almost any one of those resolutions. Just about every one of your opinions is incorrect.
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10/20/2014 11:27:14 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/20/2014 10:35:07 AM, Material_Girl wrote:
The list you've all been waiting for. I may be dropping a bomb here since most of my opinions are unpopular, but I lurve controversy.

Socialism/communism:
A blanket debate on "Socialism is preferable to capitalism," (I would be Pro) or one of the more specific motions below.

Con
Participatory planning is preferable to a market economy (Pro)

con
Private property should be abolished (Pro)

con
Capitalism is more democratic than socialism (Con)

pro
A mixed economy solves the problems communists have with laissez-faire capitalism (Con)

I'm also con Laissez-Faire capitalism is perfect.

There is no incentive to work in communist society (Con)
A centralised state is unnecessary (Pro)
Violent revolution is justified (Pro)
Socialism has never existed (Pro)

I see you plan to argue the no true Scotsmen fallacy here. This debate would get annoying fast, but I'm con
Freedom and equality are mutually exclusive (Con)
Capitalism necessitates war (Pro)

con

Other political and legal topics:
Healthcare, in the current socioeconomic system, should be nationalised (Pro)

con
The flat tax is fair (Con)
We should have the right to bear arms (Pro)
The death penalty should be employed in a statist society (Con)
Abortion should always be legal (Pro)

con, assuming you mean under "any" circumstance.

Hamas and the Israeli government are as bad as each other (Pro)
Palestinian statehood should be recognised (Pro)
Recreational marijuana should be legal (Pro)
Air strikes will improve the situation in Iraq (Con)

Society:
Gender roles should be abolished (Pro)

con
Feminism is justified and necessary (Pro)

con, but the definition of feminism changes with wo you talk to. When I say con I mean the most visible and vocal members of feminism you see on national TV and who say stuff like anytime a man has sex with a woman it's through coercion and should be considered rape.

Marriage should be replaced by free association (Pro)

Con
The nuclear family should be preserved (Con)
LGBTQPAs should have equal rights to cisgender and heterosexual people. (Pro)
Nationalism has a positive impact on society (Con)
The Prussian model of education systems is good (Con)
Schools should be gender-segregated (Con)
Prostitution, in a capitalist society, should be legal (Pro)

con
Birth control should be provided for free (Pro)

con
People should be ashamed for masturbating (Con)
Sex outside marriage is immoral (Con)
Historical materialism is sound (Pro)

Philosophy/religion:
God exists (Con)
Religion should be institutionalised (Con)
Dialectics are inherently idealistic (Con)
Dialectics are sound (Pro)
Ideas are real (Con)
The self is a real, independent entity (Con)
Morality is absolute (Con)
Determinism is sound (Pro)
Humans evolved (Pro)
Humans are naturally selfish (Con)

pro
Human nature exists (Con)
Happiness is the ultimate goal in life (Con)

pro
Cultural relativism is sound (Pro)

Any takers?

Yep
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10/20/2014 12:18:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/20/2014 11:45:29 AM, Maikuru wrote:
I miss fun debates.

Resolved: Cheez-it's are a morally superior snack to cheeze nips.

Put up or shut up.
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10/20/2014 12:23:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/20/2014 10:43:04 AM, Material_Girl wrote:
Also (thanks, Rev for unintentionally reminding me):

Meat-eating is immoral (Pro)

MUAHAHAHAHAHA. I will take it. XD
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10/20/2014 12:24:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/20/2014 12:18:27 PM, Zaradi wrote:
At 10/20/2014 11:45:29 AM, Maikuru wrote:
I miss fun debates.

Resolved: Cheez-it's are a morally superior snack to cheeze nips.

Put up or shut up.

For a second, I thought you were talking about human nipples covered in cheese. XD
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10/20/2014 12:25:01 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/20/2014 11:11:58 AM, thett3 wrote:
Resolved: Cucumbers are amazing (Pro)

I accept! Although Thett's going to own my azz in any debate. XD
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10/20/2014 1:03:51 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/20/2014 10:35:07 AM, Material_Girl wrote:
Society:
Gender roles should be abolished (Pro)

I'll take this.
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Material_Girl
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10/20/2014 1:38:35 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/20/2014 11:45:29 AM, Maikuru wrote:
I miss fun debates.

I just want to make myself sound all intellectual and shiz before I start pissing around, you know what I mean?
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Wocambs
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10/20/2014 1:39:32 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/20/2014 11:27:14 AM, Wylted wrote:
There is no incentive to work in communist society (Con)
A centralised state is unnecessary (Pro)
Violent revolution is justified (Pro)
Socialism has never existed (Pro)

I see you plan to argue the no true Scotsmen fallacy here. This debate would get annoying fast, but I'm con

The no true Scotsman fallacy is only committed when you don't substantiate the principle behind your exclusion of the counter-example to your general rule.
'Socialism is good'
'The USSR was evil'
'True socialism is good'

It's essentially a rhetorical device. It's just something you say when someone refutes a general statement of yours and you can't counter it with a real argument, because, obviously, if you have a real argument for making the distinction, then it's not a fallacy.

If we look at so-called examples of socialism, they often rise to power with the promise of two things. Lenin promised the end of economic masters, and the transfer of power to democratic workers councils. These would be genuine moves towards socialism. However, as he later proved, he was not interested in this, and set about creating harsh economic masters and turning the soviets into a "rubber-stamp parliament" for the policies of the Party.

"Lenin refutes Communism in the Soviet Union"
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10/20/2014 1:39:44 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/20/2014 11:27:14 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 10/20/2014 10:35:07 AM, Material_Girl wrote:
The list you've all been waiting for. I may be dropping a bomb here since most of my opinions are unpopular, but I lurve controversy.

Socialism/communism:
A blanket debate on "Socialism is preferable to capitalism," (I would be Pro) or one of the more specific motions below.

Con
Participatory planning is preferable to a market economy (Pro)

con
Private property should be abolished (Pro)

con
Capitalism is more democratic than socialism (Con)

pro
A mixed economy solves the problems communists have with laissez-faire capitalism (Con)

I'm also con Laissez-Faire capitalism is perfect.

There is no incentive to work in communist society (Con)
A centralised state is unnecessary (Pro)
Violent revolution is justified (Pro)
Socialism has never existed (Pro)

I see you plan to argue the no true Scotsmen fallacy here. This debate would get annoying fast, but I'm con
Freedom and equality are mutually exclusive (Con)
Capitalism necessitates war (Pro)

con

Other political and legal topics:
Healthcare, in the current socioeconomic system, should be nationalised (Pro)

con
The flat tax is fair (Con)
We should have the right to bear arms (Pro)
The death penalty should be employed in a statist society (Con)
Abortion should always be legal (Pro)

con, assuming you mean under "any" circumstance.

Hamas and the Israeli government are as bad as each other (Pro)
Palestinian statehood should be recognised (Pro)
Recreational marijuana should be legal (Pro)
Air strikes will improve the situation in Iraq (Con)

Society:
Gender roles should be abolished (Pro)

con
Feminism is justified and necessary (Pro)

con, but the definition of feminism changes with wo you talk to. When I say con I mean the most visible and vocal members of feminism you see on national TV and who say stuff like anytime a man has sex with a woman it's through coercion and should be considered rape.

Marriage should be replaced by free association (Pro)

Con
The nuclear family should be preserved (Con)
LGBTQPAs should have equal rights to cisgender and heterosexual people. (Pro)
Nationalism has a positive impact on society (Con)
The Prussian model of education systems is good (Con)
Schools should be gender-segregated (Con)
Prostitution, in a capitalist society, should be legal (Pro)

con
Birth control should be provided for free (Pro)

con
People should be ashamed for masturbating (Con)
Sex outside marriage is immoral (Con)
Historical materialism is sound (Pro)

Philosophy/religion:
God exists (Con)
Religion should be institutionalised (Con)
Dialectics are inherently idealistic (Con)
Dialectics are sound (Pro)
Ideas are real (Con)
The self is a real, independent entity (Con)
Morality is absolute (Con)
Determinism is sound (Pro)
Humans evolved (Pro)
Humans are naturally selfish (Con)

pro
Human nature exists (Con)
Happiness is the ultimate goal in life (Con)

pro
Cultural relativism is sound (Pro)

Any takers?

Yep

Wow. Ok, which do you want to do first?
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Social Libertarian: -7.13

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10/20/2014 1:44:18 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I'll get back to you on that. Let me focus on my upcoming debate with TNO5 first.

So in probably a week I'll get back to you.
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10/20/2014 2:10:00 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I would be interested in these:

Participatory planning is preferable to a market economy (Pro)
Private property should be abolished (Pro)
Violent revolution is justified (Pro)
Socialism has never existed (Pro)
Freedom and equality are mutually exclusive (Con)
Capitalism necessitates war (Pro)

I do have a few questions though. What do you mean by socialism has never existed? I've seen it argued that the pre-civilization days were a form of anarcho-socialism. And that brings up another point - how would you define socialism? finally, define equality (i.e. how should everyone be equal)?
I'm becoming less defined as days go by, fading away, and well you might say, I'm losing focus, kinda drifting into the abstract in terms of how I see myself.
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10/20/2014 2:24:13 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/20/2014 2:10:00 PM, Subutai wrote:
I would be interested in these:

Participatory planning is preferable to a market economy (Pro)
Private property should be abolished (Pro)
Violent revolution is justified (Pro)
Socialism has never existed (Pro)
Freedom and equality are mutually exclusive (Con)
Capitalism necessitates war (Pro)

I do have a few questions though. What do you mean by socialism has never existed? I've seen it argued that the pre-civilization days were a form of anarcho-socialism. And that brings up another point - how would you define socialism? finally, define equality (i.e. how should everyone be equal)?

Primitive communism and communism/socialism as in the post-capitalist phase of society are two different systems. The former is only called socialism because there wasn't an idle class in that system. I would define socialism, and also communism since I use them interchangeably being a left communist, would be defined as an economic system with collective ownership and control of the means of production, of which there is a lower phase (dictatorship of the proletariat) and a higher phase. I think I should specify the motion more, perhaps making it "A socialist nation has never existed," or "Long-term socialism has never existed," since I consider the Paris Commune, Anarchist Catalonia and the Ukrainian Free Territories socialist, but none of these lasted.
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10/20/2014 2:27:45 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/20/2014 2:24:13 PM, Material_Girl wrote:
At 10/20/2014 2:10:00 PM, Subutai wrote:
I would be interested in these:

Participatory planning is preferable to a market economy (Pro)
Private property should be abolished (Pro)
Violent revolution is justified (Pro)
Socialism has never existed (Pro)
Freedom and equality are mutually exclusive (Con)
Capitalism necessitates war (Pro)

I do have a few questions though. What do you mean by socialism has never existed? I've seen it argued that the pre-civilization days were a form of anarcho-socialism. And that brings up another point - how would you define socialism? finally, define equality (i.e. how should everyone be equal)?

Primitive communism and communism/socialism as in the post-capitalist phase of society are two different systems. The former is only called socialism because there wasn't an idle class in that system. I would define socialism, and also communism since I use them interchangeably being a left communist, would be defined as an economic system with collective ownership and control of the means of production, of which there is a lower phase (dictatorship of the proletariat) and a higher phase. I think I should specify the motion more, perhaps making it "A socialist nation has never existed," or "Long-term socialism has never existed," since I consider the Paris Commune, Anarchist Catalonia and the Ukrainian Free Territories socialist, but none of these lasted.

Got it. In your system, how does society transition from the lower phase to the higher phase? Also, could you answer the last question?
I'm becoming less defined as days go by, fading away, and well you might say, I'm losing focus, kinda drifting into the abstract in terms of how I see myself.
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10/20/2014 2:41:43 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/20/2014 2:27:45 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 10/20/2014 2:24:13 PM, Material_Girl wrote:
At 10/20/2014 2:10:00 PM, Subutai wrote:
I would be interested in these:

Participatory planning is preferable to a market economy (Pro)
Private property should be abolished (Pro)
Violent revolution is justified (Pro)
Socialism has never existed (Pro)
Freedom and equality are mutually exclusive (Con)
Capitalism necessitates war (Pro)

I do have a few questions though. What do you mean by socialism has never existed? I've seen it argued that the pre-civilization days were a form of anarcho-socialism. And that brings up another point - how would you define socialism? finally, define equality (i.e. how should everyone be equal)?

Primitive communism and communism/socialism as in the post-capitalist phase of society are two different systems. The former is only called socialism because there wasn't an idle class in that system. I would define socialism, and also communism since I use them interchangeably being a left communist, would be defined as an economic system with collective ownership and control of the means of production, of which there is a lower phase (dictatorship of the proletariat) and a higher phase. I think I should specify the motion more, perhaps making it "A socialist nation has never existed," or "Long-term socialism has never existed," since I consider the Paris Commune, Anarchist Catalonia and the Ukrainian Free Territories socialist, but none of these lasted.

Got it. In your system, how does society transition from the lower phase to the higher phase? Also, could you answer the last question?


Well, the structure that could vaguely be defined as a decentralised, highly democratic state that would constitute a libertarian Marxist dictatorship of the proletariat would wither away once there is no longer a material reason for the proletariat to retain state power, and when the means of production are collectively owned, the class system and the state both gradually cease to be necessary. Equality is simply the absence of social class.
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10/20/2014 2:59:51 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/20/2014 12:25:01 PM, RevNge wrote:
At 10/20/2014 11:11:58 AM, thett3 wrote:
Resolved: Cucumbers are amazing (Pro)

I accept! Although Thett's going to own my azz in any debate. XD

stop sucking up pls. I'll only own you because your position is dum. Cucumbers are amazing. You can pickle them. You can slice them up into tasty pieces of salads. You can put the slices over your eyes to remove wrinkles. You can eat it like an apple, taking large bites of refreshing goodness.

Cucumbers define the versatility of the human spirit.
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10/20/2014 3:09:55 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/20/2014 10:35:07 AM, Material_Girl wrote:

i agree with you on almost all the topics you listed that i would actually want to debate. however, i am very interested in debating you as i want to get in some good debates. take a look at my profile and you'll see a link to some topics im particularly interested in. some of them i would be willing to take either side on.

i also see that you disagree with schools being gender segregated. I will debate you on single gendered classrooms and take pro if you would like, as i am aquainted with that topic.
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10/20/2014 3:11:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/20/2014 12:23:33 PM, RevNge wrote:
At 10/20/2014 10:43:04 AM, Material_Girl wrote:
Also (thanks, Rev for unintentionally reminding me):

Meat-eating is immoral (Pro)

MUAHAHAHAHAHA. I will take it. XD

ive been wanting to judge a debate over that for a long time
you guys should totally debate that
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10/20/2014 3:28:16 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/20/2014 2:59:51 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/20/2014 12:25:01 PM, RevNge wrote:
At 10/20/2014 11:11:58 AM, thett3 wrote:
Resolved: Cucumbers are amazing (Pro)

I accept! Although Thett's going to own my azz in any debate. XD

stop sucking up pls.
Bruh, it's true. I suck at debating. :O
I'll only own you because your position is dum. Cucumbers are amazing. You can pickle them. You can slice them up into tasty pieces of salads. You can put the slices over your eyes to remove wrinkles. You can eat it like an apple, taking large bites of refreshing goodness.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
*kneels in front of the toilet for 20 minutes*
Cucumbers define the versatility of the human spirit.
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10/20/2014 6:40:03 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Alright, here's my final list (in order of preference, although I can really do any of these):

1. Violent revolution is justified
2. Private property should be abolished
3. Capitalism necessitates war
4. Participatory planning is preferable to a market economy

I'll challenge you in a few weeks. Let me get through the next test gauntlet before I get into any tough debates.
I'm becoming less defined as days go by, fading away, and well you might say, I'm losing focus, kinda drifting into the abstract in terms of how I see myself.
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10/21/2014 5:39:24 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/20/2014 12:23:33 PM, RevNge wrote:
At 10/20/2014 10:43:04 AM, Material_Girl wrote:
Also (thanks, Rev for unintentionally reminding me):

Meat-eating is immoral (Pro)

MUAHAHAHAHAHA. I will take it. XD

I'm planning to debate SitaraMusica on abortion first, but I'll totally challenge you once that's done.
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10/21/2014 5:54:31 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I'd like to debate these:

Private property should be abolished

Gender roles should be abolished

Historical materialism is sound

Determinism is sound
"Logic is the money of the mind." - Karl Marx