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11/3/2014 3:12:04 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
...did a thing that should not be frowned upon. She showed that you have power over your lives, and it is your decision whether or not you would like to live it. What Brittany did, in my eyes, was not suicide, nor a "natural" death. On one hand, she took her own life. On the other hand, she was going to die from a terminal brain cancer, and made a highly thought-out decision to take her life, which was supported.

This has sparked a debate everywhere from atheists to theists, republican to democrat, etc. Should this be allowed? If God exists, would he/does he frown upon this? Is this more suicide or dying of a natural cause (sickness, old age, etc.)
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11/3/2014 3:17:46 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I tend to agree. I definitely don't want to die the horribly slow, humiliating, and painful way that is becoming increasingly common.

"I was sitting in an ICU room yesterday where a patient"s body had just been brought out after their death. My attending was taking care of the paperwork in the other room, and I was sitting there reflecting, and I started thinking about what it would be like to die in that room. There was a big window, and it was a sunny day, and although I mostly had a spectacular view of the hospital parking lot, a bit further in the distance I could see a park full of really big trees. And I knew that if I were dying in that room my last thought would be that I wanted to be outside.

I think if I were very debilitated and knew I would die soon, I would want to go to that park or one like it on a very sunny day, surround myself with my friends and family, say some last words, and give myself an injection of potassium chloride.

(this originally read "morphine", but just today the palliative care doctor at my hospital gave an impassioned lecture about how people need to stop auto-associating morphine with euthanasia, because it makes it really hard for him to offer morphine painkillers to patients who need them without them freaking out. So potassium chloride it is.)

This will never happen. Or if it did, it would be some kind of huge scandal, and whoever gave me the potassium chloride would be fired or something. But the people dying demented and hopeless connected to half a dozen tubes in ICU rooms aren"t considered scandals by anybody. That"s just "the natural way of things".

I work in a Catholic hospital. People here say the phrase "culture of life" a lot, as in "we need to cultivate a culture of life." They say it almost as often as they say "patient-centered". At my hospital orientation, a whole bunch of nuns and executives and people like that got up and told us how we had to do our part to "cultivate a culture of life."

And now every time I hear that phrase I want to scream. 21st century American hospitals do not need to "cultivate a culture of life". We have enough life. We have life up the wazoo. We have more life than we know what to do with. We have life far beyond the point where it becomes a sick caricature of itself. We prolong life until it becomes a sickness, an abomination, a miserable and pathetic flight from death that saps out and mocks everything that made life desirable in the first place. 21st century American hospitals need to cultivate a culture of life the same way that Newcastle needs to cultivate a culture of coal, the same way a man who is burning to death needs to cultivate a culture of fire."

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11/3/2014 3:23:56 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/3/2014 3:12:04 PM, dtaylor971 wrote:
...did a thing that should not be frowned upon. She showed that you have power over your lives, and it is your decision whether or not you would like to live it. What Brittany did, in my eyes, was not suicide, nor a "natural" death. On one hand, she took her own life. On the other hand, she was going to die from a terminal brain cancer, and made a highly thought-out decision to take her life, which was supported.

This has sparked a debate everywhere from atheists to theists, republican to democrat, etc. Should this be allowed? If God exists, would he/does he frown upon this? Is this more suicide or dying of a natural cause (sickness, old age, etc.)

Honestly it is her choose and if she feels the need to take her own life then very well, but that doesn't make it right or wrong for her to do this. And when you bring God into the equation I would think theists would say God could have miraculously healed her but she will never know since she decided to die.
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11/3/2014 3:25:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/3/2014 3:23:56 PM, Disquisition wrote:
At 11/3/2014 3:12:04 PM, dtaylor971 wrote:
...did a thing that should not be frowned upon. She showed that you have power over your lives, and it is your decision whether or not you would like to live it. What Brittany did, in my eyes, was not suicide, nor a "natural" death. On one hand, she took her own life. On the other hand, she was going to die from a terminal brain cancer, and made a highly thought-out decision to take her life, which was supported.

This has sparked a debate everywhere from atheists to theists, republican to democrat, etc. Should this be allowed? If God exists, would he/does he frown upon this? Is this more suicide or dying of a natural cause (sickness, old age, etc.)

Honestly it is her choose and if she feels the need to take her own life then very well, but that doesn't make it right or wrong for her to do this. And when you bring God into the equation I would think theists would say God could have miraculously healed her but she will never know since she decided to die.

...Then why does God not miraculously heal the millions of other terminal patients in the world? Other than the God statement, I agree fully.
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11/3/2014 3:27:18 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
If we look at it definitionally, she definitely did commit suicide. The taking of one's own life is suicide, regardless of the pre-conditions.

That being said, if people want to look back far enough you can find my thoughts on suicide, which explain why I'm not too critical of her decision.

She's free to make that decision. Regardless of whether the decision was correct or incorrect, I certainly don't blame her for coming to that conclusion.
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11/3/2014 5:28:57 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/3/2014 3:12:04 PM, dtaylor971 wrote:
...did a thing that should not be frowned upon. She showed that you have power over your lives, and it is your decision whether or not you would like to live it. What Brittany did, in my eyes, was not suicide, nor a "natural" death. On one hand, she took her own life. On the other hand, she was going to die from a terminal brain cancer, and made a highly thought-out decision to take her life, which was supported.

This has sparked a debate everywhere from atheists to theists, republican to democrat, etc. Should this be allowed? If God exists, would he/does he frown upon this? Is this more suicide or dying of a natural cause (sickness, old age, etc.)

Who is Brittany Maynard?
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11/3/2014 5:42:42 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
She had no more power than the rest of us. Death always wins in the end. Whether she stuffed death inducing pills into her mouth or died in some other fashion. She's still dead.

And she shouldn't have killed herself.
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11/3/2014 6:58:37 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/3/2014 5:42:42 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
And she shouldn't have killed herself.

Why not?
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11/3/2014 8:23:14 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/3/2014 3:12:04 PM, dtaylor971 wrote:
...did a thing that should not be frowned upon. She showed that you have power over your lives, and it is your decision whether or not you would like to live it. What Brittany did, in my eyes, was not suicide, nor a "natural" death. On one hand, she took her own life. On the other hand, she was going to die from a terminal brain cancer, and made a highly thought-out decision to take her life, which was supported.

This has sparked a debate everywhere from atheists to theists, republican to democrat, etc. Should this be allowed? If God exists, would he/does he frown upon this? Is this more suicide or dying of a natural cause (sickness, old age, etc.)

It is a private decision, stop making it public.

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11/3/2014 8:24:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/3/2014 8:23:14 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
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11/3/2014 9:16:17 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/3/2014 8:23:14 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 11/3/2014 3:12:04 PM, dtaylor971 wrote:
...did a thing that should not be frowned upon. She showed that you have power over your lives, and it is your decision whether or not you would like to live it. What Brittany did, in my eyes, was not suicide, nor a "natural" death. On one hand, she took her own life. On the other hand, she was going to die from a terminal brain cancer, and made a highly thought-out decision to take her life, which was supported.

This has sparked a debate everywhere from atheists to theists, republican to democrat, etc. Should this be allowed? If God exists, would he/does he frown upon this? Is this more suicide or dying of a natural cause (sickness, old age, etc.)

It is a private decision, stop making it public.

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It was covered by CNN. She did interviews. She talked to the press. Not so private...
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11/3/2014 10:30:41 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/3/2014 9:16:17 PM, dtaylor971 wrote:
At 11/3/2014 8:23:14 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 11/3/2014 3:12:04 PM, dtaylor971 wrote:
...did a thing that should not be frowned upon. She showed that you have power over your lives, and it is your decision whether or not you would like to live it. What Brittany did, in my eyes, was not suicide, nor a "natural" death. On one hand, she took her own life. On the other hand, she was going to die from a terminal brain cancer, and made a highly thought-out decision to take her life, which was supported.

This has sparked a debate everywhere from atheists to theists, republican to democrat, etc. Should this be allowed? If God exists, would he/does he frown upon this? Is this more suicide or dying of a natural cause (sickness, old age, etc.)

It is a private decision, stop making it public.

Also...

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It was covered by CNN. She did interviews. She talked to the press. Not so private...

Regardless, this still does not belong on this forum.
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11/3/2014 11:09:37 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/3/2014 10:30:41 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 11/3/2014 9:16:17 PM, dtaylor971 wrote:
At 11/3/2014 8:23:14 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 11/3/2014 3:12:04 PM, dtaylor971 wrote:
...did a thing that should not be frowned upon. She showed that you have power over your lives, and it is your decision whether or not you would like to live it. What Brittany did, in my eyes, was not suicide, nor a "natural" death. On one hand, she took her own life. On the other hand, she was going to die from a terminal brain cancer, and made a highly thought-out decision to take her life, which was supported.

This has sparked a debate everywhere from atheists to theists, republican to democrat, etc. Should this be allowed? If God exists, would he/does he frown upon this? Is this more suicide or dying of a natural cause (sickness, old age, etc.)

It is a private decision, stop making it public.

Also...

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That way

It was covered by CNN. She did interviews. She talked to the press. Not so private...

Regardless, this still does not belong on this forum.

http://www.dailystormer.com...
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11/4/2014 1:10:44 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/3/2014 11:09:37 PM, Zaradi wrote:
At 11/3/2014 10:30:41 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 11/3/2014 9:16:17 PM, dtaylor971 wrote:
At 11/3/2014 8:23:14 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 11/3/2014 3:12:04 PM, dtaylor971 wrote:
...did a thing that should not be frowned upon. She showed that you have power over your lives, and it is your decision whether or not you would like to live it. What Brittany did, in my eyes, was not suicide, nor a "natural" death. On one hand, she took her own life. On the other hand, she was going to die from a terminal brain cancer, and made a highly thought-out decision to take her life, which was supported.

This has sparked a debate everywhere from atheists to theists, republican to democrat, etc. Should this be allowed? If God exists, would he/does he frown upon this? Is this more suicide or dying of a natural cause (sickness, old age, etc.)

It is a private decision, stop making it public.

Also...

Politics/Society sections
---------------------->
That way

It was covered by CNN. She did interviews. She talked to the press. Not so private...

Regardless, this still does not belong on this forum.

http://www.dailystormer.com...

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11/4/2014 1:12:11 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/3/2014 9:16:17 PM, dtaylor971 wrote:
At 11/3/2014 8:23:14 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 11/3/2014 3:12:04 PM, dtaylor971 wrote:
...did a thing that should not be frowned upon. She showed that you have power over your lives, and it is your decision whether or not you would like to live it. What Brittany did, in my eyes, was not suicide, nor a "natural" death. On one hand, she took her own life. On the other hand, she was going to die from a terminal brain cancer, and made a highly thought-out decision to take her life, which was supported.

This has sparked a debate everywhere from atheists to theists, republican to democrat, etc. Should this be allowed? If God exists, would he/does he frown upon this? Is this more suicide or dying of a natural cause (sickness, old age, etc.)

It is a private decision, stop making it public.

Also...

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That way

It was covered by CNN. She did interviews. She talked to the press. Not so private...

what's your point? It SHOULD be private, whether they keep it private or not only talks to their lust for attention. Don't feed it.
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11/4/2014 1:25:47 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/4/2014 1:10:44 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 11/3/2014 11:09:37 PM, Zaradi wrote:
At 11/3/2014 10:30:41 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 11/3/2014 9:16:17 PM, dtaylor971 wrote:
At 11/3/2014 8:23:14 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 11/3/2014 3:12:04 PM, dtaylor971 wrote:
...did a thing that should not be frowned upon. She showed that you have power over your lives, and it is your decision whether or not you would like to live it. What Brittany did, in my eyes, was not suicide, nor a "natural" death. On one hand, she took her own life. On the other hand, she was going to die from a terminal brain cancer, and made a highly thought-out decision to take her life, which was supported.

This has sparked a debate everywhere from atheists to theists, republican to democrat, etc. Should this be allowed? If God exists, would he/does he frown upon this? Is this more suicide or dying of a natural cause (sickness, old age, etc.)

It is a private decision, stop making it public.

Also...

Politics/Society sections
---------------------->
That way

It was covered by CNN. She did interviews. She talked to the press. Not so private...

Regardless, this still does not belong on this forum.

http://www.dailystormer.com...

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11/4/2014 9:58:36 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/3/2014 5:42:42 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
She had no more power than the rest of us. Death always wins in the end. Whether she stuffed death inducing pills into her mouth or died in some other fashion. She's still dead.

And she shouldn't have killed herself.

Interested to see how you back up this claim argumentatively.
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11/4/2014 10:28:41 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
It was her choice and that's that. Saying otherwise is just ignorance.
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11/4/2014 1:17:47 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Personally, I don't understand how one can glorify and encourage her suicide and but condemn and discourage the suicide of the mentally ill.