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RoyLatham
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10/3/2008 3:35:41 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
I posted a debate challenge ("Radiometric dating is accurate") that showed on my screen as being accepted by aaron... The counter then counted down the time for him to post an argument. I checked a couple of times and the screen showed the challenge as having been accepted with the time to reply continuing to count down. Today, after the countdown to post expired, the page claims the challenge has expired without ever being accepted.

Separately, a few days ago I found an unexpired challenge on a topic, accepted the challenge, and entered an argument. The site then responded with a message saying "you cannot post a response because the challenge has expired." If the challenge had expired, why did it accept my login to post a reply?

In yet another debate ("A plan to eliminate poverty" or something like that), immediately after the debate concluded the screen showed a 0/0 tie, as expected. I voted for myself and then the vote tally was 0/6. Yup, not 0/1, but 0/6. Checking with the votes page, it was clear that the vote page thought only one vote had been cast. The debate page showed six votes.

I think the site software is hosed.
PoeJoe
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10/3/2008 3:41:03 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/3/2008 3:35:41 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
I posted a debate challenge ("Radiometric dating is accurate") that showed on my screen as being accepted by aaron... The counter then counted down the time for him to post an argument. I checked a couple of times and the screen showed the challenge as having been accepted with the time to reply continuing to count down. Today, after the countdown to post expired, the page claims the challenge has expired without ever being accepted.

It's a feature to prevent spammers who accept a debate but never post anything. Just click the button to continue it.

Separately, a few days ago I found an unexpired challenge on a topic, accepted the challenge, and entered an argument. The site then responded with a message saying "you cannot post a response because the challenge has expired." If the challenge had expired, why did it accept my login to post a reply?

Odd.

In yet another debate ("A plan to eliminate poverty" or something like that), immediately after the debate concluded the screen showed a 0/0 tie, as expected. I voted for myself and then the vote tally was 0/6. Yup, not 0/1, but 0/6. Checking with the votes page, it was clear that the vote page thought only one vote had been cast. The debate page showed six votes.

Each category is worth a set number of points. Indeed, I am curious as to why it didn't tally to 7 points.

I think the site software is hosed.

Your 2nd point is interesting. Otherwise, you just haven't gotten used to the peculiarities of v3.
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10/3/2008 3:51:04 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
Hey Debaters,

Thank you for your response PoeJoe your conclusions are correct.

1. The debate software doesn't allow any of the responses in the first round to forfeit. If there is a forfeit in the first round (ie the timer expires) the debate resets.

2. As for the debate expiring after you accepted it I have to say "Odd" as well. I don't know the circumstances of this debate, but I can assure you that the software has been tested thoroughly and we have never seen this happen before.

3. I checked your debate. Only two votes have been placed on it at this time. Debate.org voting works on a point system with a maximum of 7 points awarded per vote. Perhaps you left the "Spelling and Grammar" section as a tie? That would have resulted in only 6 points instead of 7.

Let me know if you have any other questions.
Harlan
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10/3/2008 4:15:37 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
Here's a fun glitch...

Go to reply to a message you have in your "inbox". In the field for typing your message, just make one space, and then send the message. It might only work on my computer, but on mine it made multiple nav bars on the page. It was awesome. You can do it as many times as you want and each time you'll get a new nav bar.
PoeJoe
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10/3/2008 10:22:40 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/3/2008 4:15:37 PM, Harlan wrote:
Here's a fun glitch...

Lolz. Labrat is sure going to be confused when he sees my messages!

Also, it isn't your computer. Something like this has to be back end. *cough* Phil *cough*
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RoyLatham
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10/4/2008 3:40:42 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
Your 2nd point is interesting. Otherwise, you just haven't gotten used to the peculiarities of v3.

Who would guess that "spelling" is counted equally with "makes logical arguments?" Is it the case that voting for the winner actually is not counted, and all that counts are the categories?

The message after opponent forfeited the first round said that the only way the debate could be revived was to repost it, which I did. It said nothing about hitting "continue."

I searched the Help menu to try to find answers before posting here. I think it would be good to have a FAQ at the top level of the menu, and in that explain the voting system and the way to continue a debate that the site claims to have expired. I would never figure out that a message saying that I had to repost didn't really mean that, no matter how long I used the site.

If I now understand how the voting works, I probably won't bother voting again, .. but that's just me. The debates are still interesting.
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10/4/2008 3:48:26 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
No please! For the love of god VOTE! Tell everyone to VOTE! Tell everyone to leave feedback to the debaters! I have never seen so many well-done debates with almost no voting and no commentary as I have very recently. It's disturbing.
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Robert_Santurri
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10/4/2008 3:57:59 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/4/2008 3:48:26 PM, brittwaller wrote:
No please! For the love of god VOTE! Tell everyone to VOTE! Tell everyone to leave feedback to the debaters! I have never seen so many well-done debates with almost no voting and no commentary as I have very recently. It's disturbing.

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RoyLatham
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10/5/2008 8:04:04 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
I guess it should have been obvious: the way to avoid having "spelling" count as much as "makes logical arguments" is to make sure the winner gets a number of categories in proportion to how good you think the winner did. If his logical arguments were overwhelming, then award 7 categories, if the winner just edged out the opposition then make sure the categories are 4 to 3. It's like scoring diving or gymnastics in the Olympics. I can go with that.
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10/6/2008 3:31:28 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
With the poverty one where he got six points, that is weird. I went to vote for me, and I was winning because I got seven points with my vote, and he got six. It was really weird.
PoeJoe
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10/21/2008 9:11:35 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/21/2008 7:45:47 PM, Harlan wrote:
When you type a comment for a debate, the button to post it says "post comments".

I've thought about that too. But more often than not, you'll have more than one opinion to post, and therefore more than one "comment"... as in comments to post.

I dunno. I don't really care either way.
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