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bluesteel
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11/13/2014 5:12:47 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I love taking a topic that seems unwinnable and thinking of a strategy that makes your position viable, e.g. http://www.debate.org...

Anyone else have good stories about topics they took that seemed unwinnable?
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into - Jonathan Swift (paraphrase)
Wylted
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11/13/2014 5:44:22 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I do it all the time and I either mess up the resolution by being sloppy with it or people run counter plans and ruin my strategy. For some stupid reason I just assume my opponent's are always going to defend the status quo.

Caning is a good policy against the status quo but legalizing drugs accomplishes the same thing and is more sexy.

Right now I'm thinking of how to prove Santa Clause is real so I can debate a minor on the site with a good debate record and restore their Christmas spirit and show them that their parents aren't liars.
UchihaMadara
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11/13/2014 6:00:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/13/2014 5:44:22 PM, Wylted wrote:
I do it all the time and I either mess up the resolution by being sloppy with it or people run counter plans and ruin my strategy. For some stupid reason I just assume my opponent's are always going to defend the status quo.

Caning is a good policy against the status quo but legalizing drugs accomplishes the same thing and is more sexy.

Right now I'm thinking of how to prove Santa Clause is real so I can debate a minor on the site with a good debate record and restore their Christmas spirit and show them that their parents aren't liars.

I will take you up on that :)

After our debate on AI.
Wylted
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11/13/2014 6:06:02 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/13/2014 6:00:25 PM, UchihaMadara wrote:
At 11/13/2014 5:44:22 PM, Wylted wrote:
I do it all the time and I either mess up the resolution by being sloppy with it or people run counter plans and ruin my strategy. For some stupid reason I just assume my opponent's are always going to defend the status quo.

Caning is a good policy against the status quo but legalizing drugs accomplishes the same thing and is more sexy.

Right now I'm thinking of how to prove Santa Clause is real so I can debate a minor on the site with a good debate record and restore their Christmas spirit and show them that their parents aren't liars.

I will take you up on that :)

After our debate on AI.

Good I'll restore your Christmas spirit.
UchihaMadara
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11/13/2014 6:08:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/13/2014 6:06:02 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 11/13/2014 6:00:25 PM, UchihaMadara wrote:
At 11/13/2014 5:44:22 PM, Wylted wrote:
I do it all the time and I either mess up the resolution by being sloppy with it or people run counter plans and ruin my strategy. For some stupid reason I just assume my opponent's are always going to defend the status quo.

Caning is a good policy against the status quo but legalizing drugs accomplishes the same thing and is more sexy.

Right now I'm thinking of how to prove Santa Clause is real so I can debate a minor on the site with a good debate record and restore their Christmas spirit and show them that their parents aren't liars.

I will take you up on that :)

After our debate on AI.

Good I'll restore your Christmas spirit.

bah humbug!

Here is one potential way to argue it: http://www.debate.org...
I personally think the argument is BS, but it's always worth a shot XD
bluesteel
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11/13/2014 7:57:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/13/2014 6:08:21 PM, UchihaMadara wrote:
At 11/13/2014 6:06:02 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 11/13/2014 6:00:25 PM, UchihaMadara wrote:
At 11/13/2014 5:44:22 PM, Wylted wrote:
I do it all the time and I either mess up the resolution by being sloppy with it or people run counter plans and ruin my strategy. For some stupid reason I just assume my opponent's are always going to defend the status quo.

Caning is a good policy against the status quo but legalizing drugs accomplishes the same thing and is more sexy.

Right now I'm thinking of how to prove Santa Clause is real so I can debate a minor on the site with a good debate record and restore their Christmas spirit and show them that their parents aren't liars.

I will take you up on that :)

After our debate on AI.

Good I'll restore your Christmas spirit.

bah humbug!

Here is one potential way to argue it: http://www.debate.org...
I personally think the argument is BS, but it's always worth a shot XD

That's just the ontological argument. Honestly, as long as you posit an invisible Santa Clause that doesn't actually deliver presents to people, you can't disprove Santa. Just make him similar to God, and you can't disprove him.

Obviously the most difficult arguments against Santa are that people's parents buy them presents (not Santa) and that if you observe the North Pole, he's not there.

J.Kenyon's premise that "possibly Santa exists" is faulty if Santa is defined as a visible male person who lives at the North Pole and delivers presents to every Christian child on Christmas. Those two things can be empirically disproven, so it's not logically possible for Santa to exist.
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into - Jonathan Swift (paraphrase)
Wylted
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11/13/2014 8:11:19 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Yeh, I don't like that. If I try to prove santa exists it wouldn't be through obscure philosophical arguments. It would be through hard evidence. It also wouldn't be a historical santa either it will be the modern day mythological one.

Using some sort of ontological argument to prove santa exists is just being a coward.
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11/13/2014 9:16:57 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I accepted a two round trap debate with Qopel arguing against the world being doomed. That was a tricky one to win.
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11/13/2014 11:21:52 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/13/2014 5:12:47 PM, bluesteel wrote:
I love taking a topic that seems unwinnable and thinking of a strategy that makes your position viable, e.g. http://www.debate.org...

Anyone else have good stories about topics they took that seemed unwinnable?

Yup.

http://www.debate.org...
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11/13/2014 11:24:57 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/13/2014 11:21:52 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 11/13/2014 5:12:47 PM, bluesteel wrote:
I love taking a topic that seems unwinnable and thinking of a strategy that makes your position viable, e.g. http://www.debate.org...

Anyone else have good stories about topics they took that seemed unwinnable?

Yup.

http://www.debate.org...

Too bad I got so many bad votes against me who didn't understand any of my arguments. But hey I was expecting to lose when I accepted it, especially considering the structure!
"Delete your fvcking sig" -1hard

"primal man had the habit, when he came into contact with fire, of satisfying the infantile desire connected with it, by putting it out with a stream of his urine... Putting out the fire by micturating was therefore a kind of sexual act with a male, an enjoyment of sexual potency in a homosexual competition."
bluesteel
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11/14/2014 1:30:53 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/13/2014 11:24:57 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 11/13/2014 11:21:52 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 11/13/2014 5:12:47 PM, bluesteel wrote:
I love taking a topic that seems unwinnable and thinking of a strategy that makes your position viable, e.g. http://www.debate.org...

Anyone else have good stories about topics they took that seemed unwinnable?

Yup.

http://www.debate.org...

Too bad I got so many bad votes against me who didn't understand any of my arguments. But hey I was expecting to lose when I accepted it, especially considering the structure!

It was ballsy on your part and an impressive showing.
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into - Jonathan Swift (paraphrase)
bluesteel
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11/14/2014 1:32:15 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/13/2014 8:11:19 PM, Wylted wrote:
Yeh, I don't like that. If I try to prove santa exists it wouldn't be through obscure philosophical arguments. It would be through hard evidence. It also wouldn't be a historical santa either it will be the modern day mythological one.

Using some sort of ontological argument to prove santa exists is just being a coward.

Put BOP on your opponent and just keeping posting pictures of different mall Santa's and say: can you definitively prove this isn't the real Santa????? If you can't disprove them all, you lose.
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into - Jonathan Swift (paraphrase)
Wylted
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11/14/2014 1:36:10 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/14/2014 1:32:15 AM, bluesteel wrote:
At 11/13/2014 8:11:19 PM, Wylted wrote:
Yeh, I don't like that. If I try to prove santa exists it wouldn't be through obscure philosophical arguments. It would be through hard evidence. It also wouldn't be a historical santa either it will be the modern day mythological one.

Using some sort of ontological argument to prove santa exists is just being a coward.

Put BOP on your opponent and just keeping posting pictures of different mall Santa's and say: can you definitively prove this isn't the real Santa????? If you can't disprove them all, you lose.

No, I'll take BOP and I can even use government websites to prove it. NORAD actually tracks Santa's movements on Christmas.
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11/15/2014 2:45:39 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Perhaps you should take up chess or the game of go, or maybe write fiction. Get into an area where belief does not matter rather than defend what you don't believe.
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11/17/2014 7:22:47 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/13/2014 5:12:47 PM, bluesteel wrote:
I love taking a topic that seems unwinnable and thinking of a strategy that makes your position viable, e.g. http://www.debate.org...

Anyone else have good stories about topics they took that seemed unwinnable?

I took the stance of "slavery can often be a good thing". No one voted, I think.
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