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11/23/2014 7:46:08 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Hi y'all!

Anyone interested in debating whether Washington's team should change it's name? I'm for changing it.

Let me know!
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11/23/2014 9:28:13 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/23/2014 7:46:08 PM, kbub wrote:
Hi y'all!

Anyone interested in debating whether Washington's team should change it's name? I'm for changing it.

Let me know!

I'd be Con. Though I'm very interested in taking that debate I'm kinda dettered, because I feel that it would only get into a political correctness and race war.
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11/23/2014 9:34:41 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/23/2014 7:46:08 PM, kbub wrote:
Hi y'all!

Anyone interested in debating whether Washington's team should change it's name? I'm for changing it.

Let me know!

Me! Me! Me!
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11/23/2014 9:49:43 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/23/2014 7:46:08 PM, kbub wrote:
Hi y'all!

Anyone interested in debating whether Washington's team should change it's name? I'm for changing it.

Let me know!

What's Red*kins? It sounds like how Mike Tyson might pronounce it.
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11/24/2014 12:43:03 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/23/2014 10:48:41 PM, UchihaMadara wrote:
LOL I just noticed that he censored it XD

kbub, "redskins" isn't as taboo as "n*gger"....

Well, kbub tries to not offend anyone...
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11/24/2014 12:44:12 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/24/2014 12:43:03 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 11/23/2014 10:48:41 PM, UchihaMadara wrote:
LOL I just noticed that he censored it XD

kbub, "redskins" isn't as taboo as "n*gger"....

Well, kbub tries to not offend anyone...

Maybe s/he tries a little too hard...
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11/24/2014 12:46:09 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/24/2014 12:44:12 AM, UchihaMadara wrote:
At 11/24/2014 12:43:03 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 11/23/2014 10:48:41 PM, UchihaMadara wrote:
LOL I just noticed that he censored it XD

kbub, "redskins" isn't as taboo as "n*gger"....

Well, kbub tries to not offend anyone...

Maybe s/he tries a little too hard...

Perhaps...I don't censor "Redskin" and I don't care about it being a team name...there's the Chiefs, Indians, Blackhawks...but "Redskins" is all that can tick off a Native American, according to some people.
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11/24/2014 12:47:06 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
The bigger crime, in my opinion, is the beer they were caught selling.
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11/24/2014 12:48:06 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/24/2014 12:47:06 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
The bigger crime, in my opinion, is the beer they were caught selling.

http://www.washingtonpost.com...
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11/24/2014 12:51:32 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/24/2014 12:46:09 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 11/24/2014 12:44:12 AM, UchihaMadara wrote:
At 11/24/2014 12:43:03 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 11/23/2014 10:48:41 PM, UchihaMadara wrote:
LOL I just noticed that he censored it XD

kbub, "redskins" isn't as taboo as "n*gger"....

Well, kbub tries to not offend anyone...

Maybe s/he tries a little too hard...

Perhaps...I don't censor "Redskin" and I don't care about it being a team name...there's the Chiefs, Indians, Blackhawks...but "Redskins" is all that can tick off a Native American, according to some people.

lol I would argue that even "redskins" doesn't even tick off that many natives.
it just ticks off a few advocacy groups who supposedly represent the opinions of hundreds of other tribes.... or at least, the chiefs of those hundreds of other tribes.
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11/24/2014 12:53:40 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/24/2014 12:51:32 AM, UchihaMadara wrote:
At 11/24/2014 12:46:09 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 11/24/2014 12:44:12 AM, UchihaMadara wrote:
At 11/24/2014 12:43:03 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 11/23/2014 10:48:41 PM, UchihaMadara wrote:
LOL I just noticed that he censored it XD

kbub, "redskins" isn't as taboo as "n*gger"....

Well, kbub tries to not offend anyone...

Maybe s/he tries a little too hard...

Perhaps...I don't censor "Redskin" and I don't care about it being a team name...there's the Chiefs, Indians, Blackhawks...but "Redskins" is all that can tick off a Native American, according to some people.

lol I would argue that even "redskins" doesn't even tick off that many natives.
it just ticks off a few advocacy groups who supposedly represent the opinions of hundreds of other tribes.... or at least, the chiefs of those hundreds of other tribes.

That's what I think, but the majority of people don't care, and don't have a strong opinion: so only a few people are being heard, and they happen to be the ones being listened to.
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11/24/2014 12:55:37 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
@Uchiha

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11/24/2014 1:31:12 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/24/2014 12:51:32 AM, UchihaMadara wrote:
At 11/24/2014 12:46:09 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 11/24/2014 12:44:12 AM, UchihaMadara wrote:
At 11/24/2014 12:43:03 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 11/23/2014 10:48:41 PM, UchihaMadara wrote:
LOL I just noticed that he censored it XD

kbub, "redskins" isn't as taboo as "n*gger"....

Well, kbub tries to not offend anyone...

Maybe s/he tries a little too hard...

Perhaps...I don't censor "Redskin" and I don't care about it being a team name...there's the Chiefs, Indians, Blackhawks...but "Redskins" is all that can tick off a Native American, according to some people.

lol I would argue that even "redskins" doesn't even tick off that many natives.
it just ticks off a few advocacy groups who supposedly represent the opinions of hundreds of other tribes.... or at least, the chiefs of those hundreds of other tribes.

It's not just the chiefs of each tribe. "We found opponents of the name in 18 tribes: veterans of the U.S. military, lawyers, college students, cultural center employees, school volunteers and restaurant servers." [http://mmqb.si.com...] The name "Redskins" is more offensive than a name like "Seminoles" because (1) it has racist overtones: it is a commentary on skin color, like calling Asian people "yellow," whereas Seminoles is merely the actual name of the tribe, and (2) the Seminoles use the name and mascot with the actual tribe's permission [same source].

It's kind of hard to invoke broader polls, like of Americans in general, or even that a majority of Native Americans don't care. This country has acknowledged that racism has pernicious effects on the psyche of the targeted group, even if the majority of people support the racism. And the name has little redeeming value. It's not like people are attracted to the brand: unlike a company like Coca Cola, the Redskins fans watch the sport to support a local team and to watch good football games. It's hard to argue that no one would watch them anymore if they were the "Washington Black Mambas" or something like that.
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11/24/2014 1:35:06 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/24/2014 1:31:12 AM, bluesteel wrote:
At 11/24/2014 12:51:32 AM, UchihaMadara wrote:
At 11/24/2014 12:46:09 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 11/24/2014 12:44:12 AM, UchihaMadara wrote:
At 11/24/2014 12:43:03 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 11/23/2014 10:48:41 PM, UchihaMadara wrote:
LOL I just noticed that he censored it XD

kbub, "redskins" isn't as taboo as "n*gger"....

Well, kbub tries to not offend anyone...

Maybe s/he tries a little too hard...

Perhaps...I don't censor "Redskin" and I don't care about it being a team name...there's the Chiefs, Indians, Blackhawks...but "Redskins" is all that can tick off a Native American, according to some people.

lol I would argue that even "redskins" doesn't even tick off that many natives.
it just ticks off a few advocacy groups who supposedly represent the opinions of hundreds of other tribes.... or at least, the chiefs of those hundreds of other tribes.

It's not just the chiefs of each tribe. "We found opponents of the name in 18 tribes: veterans of the U.S. military, lawyers, college students, cultural center employees, school volunteers and restaurant servers." [http://mmqb.si.com...] The name "Redskins" is more offensive than a name like "Seminoles" because (1) it has racist overtones: it is a commentary on skin color, like calling Asian people "yellow," whereas Seminoles is merely the actual name of the tribe, and (2) the Seminoles use the name and mascot with the actual tribe's permission [same source].

It's kind of hard to invoke broader polls, like of Americans in general, or even that a majority of Native Americans don't care. This country has acknowledged that racism has pernicious effects on the psyche of the targeted group, even if the majority of people support the racism. And the name has little redeeming value. It's not like people are attracted to the brand: unlike a company like Coca Cola, the Redskins fans watch the sport to support a local team and to watch good football games. It's hard to argue that no one would watch them anymore if they were the "Washington Black Mambas" or something like that.

I don't sypathize with the skin color argument. We only care about Native Americans and Asians in that respect, apparently, when we throw around the words "white" and "black."
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11/24/2014 3:11:10 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/24/2014 1:35:06 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 11/24/2014 1:31:12 AM, bluesteel wrote:
At 11/24/2014 12:51:32 AM, UchihaMadara wrote:
At 11/24/2014 12:46:09 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 11/24/2014 12:44:12 AM, UchihaMadara wrote:
At 11/24/2014 12:43:03 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 11/23/2014 10:48:41 PM, UchihaMadara wrote:
LOL I just noticed that he censored it XD

kbub, "redskins" isn't as taboo as "n*gger"....

Well, kbub tries to not offend anyone...

Maybe s/he tries a little too hard...

Perhaps...I don't censor "Redskin" and I don't care about it being a team name...there's the Chiefs, Indians, Blackhawks...but "Redskins" is all that can tick off a Native American, according to some people.

lol I would argue that even "redskins" doesn't even tick off that many natives.
it just ticks off a few advocacy groups who supposedly represent the opinions of hundreds of other tribes.... or at least, the chiefs of those hundreds of other tribes.

It's not just the chiefs of each tribe. "We found opponents of the name in 18 tribes: veterans of the U.S. military, lawyers, college students, cultural center employees, school volunteers and restaurant servers." [http://mmqb.si.com...] The name "Redskins" is more offensive than a name like "Seminoles" because (1) it has racist overtones: it is a commentary on skin color, like calling Asian people "yellow," whereas Seminoles is merely the actual name of the tribe, and (2) the Seminoles use the name and mascot with the actual tribe's permission [same source].

It's kind of hard to invoke broader polls, like of Americans in general, or even that a majority of Native Americans don't care. This country has acknowledged that racism has pernicious effects on the psyche of the targeted group, even if the majority of people support the racism. And the name has little redeeming value. It's not like people are attracted to the brand: unlike a company like Coca Cola, the Redskins fans watch the sport to support a local team and to watch good football games. It's hard to argue that no one would watch them anymore if they were the "Washington Black Mambas" or something like that.

I don't sypathize with the skin color argument. We only care about Native Americans and Asians in that respect, apparently, when we throw around the words "white" and "black."

Yeah except "white" and "black" is actually descriptive. Asians don't actually have "yellow" skin nor do Native Americans actually have "red" skin. It's far too simplistic an argument to say "well we call white people 'white,' so no pejorative term based on skin color can actually be considered pejorative." Words have whatever meaning we give them. "Black" could be a pejorative term if it was meant to be one, but it's not. "Black" was meant to *replace* offensive designations such as "n*gger" and "Negro," and is preferable to the term "African American" since not all black people are U.S. citizens. In contrast to the word "black," "redskin" was meant to be pejorative. "'Redskin is a slang term for Native Americans defined in current dictionaries of American English as 'usually offensive,' 'disparaging,' 'offensive,' and 'taboo.'" [http://en.wikipedia.org...] Language simply doesn't work the way you're implying. It's be like saying "well, the numbers 65, 66, 67, and 68 have no sexual innuendo associated with them, so the number 69 can't possible either." Since language is a fluid concept, you can't make simple analogies like that.
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11/24/2014 9:01:23 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/24/2014 3:11:10 AM, bluesteel wrote:
At 11/24/2014 1:35:06 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 11/24/2014 1:31:12 AM, bluesteel wrote:
At 11/24/2014 12:51:32 AM, UchihaMadara wrote:
At 11/24/2014 12:46:09 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 11/24/2014 12:44:12 AM, UchihaMadara wrote:
At 11/24/2014 12:43:03 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 11/23/2014 10:48:41 PM, UchihaMadara wrote:
LOL I just noticed that he censored it XD

kbub, "redskins" isn't as taboo as "n*gger"....

Well, kbub tries to not offend anyone...

Maybe s/he tries a little too hard...

Perhaps...I don't censor "Redskin" and I don't care about it being a team name...there's the Chiefs, Indians, Blackhawks...but "Redskins" is all that can tick off a Native American, according to some people.

lol I would argue that even "redskins" doesn't even tick off that many natives.
it just ticks off a few advocacy groups who supposedly represent the opinions of hundreds of other tribes.... or at least, the chiefs of those hundreds of other tribes.

It's not just the chiefs of each tribe. "We found opponents of the name in 18 tribes: veterans of the U.S. military, lawyers, college students, cultural center employees, school volunteers and restaurant servers." [http://mmqb.si.com...] The name "Redskins" is more offensive than a name like "Seminoles" because (1) it has racist overtones: it is a commentary on skin color, like calling Asian people "yellow," whereas Seminoles is merely the actual name of the tribe, and (2) the Seminoles use the name and mascot with the actual tribe's permission [same source].

It's kind of hard to invoke broader polls, like of Americans in general, or even that a majority of Native Americans don't care. This country has acknowledged that racism has pernicious effects on the psyche of the targeted group, even if the majority of people support the racism. And the name has little redeeming value. It's not like people are attracted to the brand: unlike a company like Coca Cola, the Redskins fans watch the sport to support a local team and to watch good football games. It's hard to argue that no one would watch them anymore if they were the "Washington Black Mambas" or something like that.

I don't sypathize with the skin color argument. We only care about Native Americans and Asians in that respect, apparently, when we throw around the words "white" and "black."

Yeah except "white" and "black" is actually descriptive. Asians don't actually have "yellow" skin nor do Native Americans actually have "red" skin. It's far too simplistic an argument to say "well we call white people 'white,' so no pejorative term based on skin color can actually be considered pejorative." Words have whatever meaning we give them. "Black" could be a pejorative term if it was meant to be one, but it's not. "Black" was meant to *replace* offensive designations such as "n*gger" and "Negro," and is preferable to the term "African American" since not all black people are U.S. citizens. In contrast to the word "black," "redskin" was meant to be pejorative. "'Redskin is a slang term for Native Americans defined in current dictionaries of American English as 'usually offensive,' 'disparaging,' 'offensive,' and 'taboo.'" [http://en.wikipedia.org...] Language simply doesn't work the way you're implying. It's be like saying "well, the numbers 65, 66, 67, and 68 have no sexual innuendo associated with them, so the number 69 can't possible either." Since language is a fluid concept, you can't make simple analogies like that.

Nice arguments!
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11/24/2014 9:01:57 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/24/2014 12:47:06 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
The bigger crime, in my opinion, is the beer they were caught selling.

How do you mean?
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11/24/2014 9:17:58 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/24/2014 12:43:03 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 11/23/2014 10:48:41 PM, UchihaMadara wrote:
LOL I just noticed that he censored it XD

kbub, "redskins" isn't as taboo as "n*gger"....

Well, kbub tries to not offend anyone...

Haha maybe that's true, but I'm not so sure. I think that I've offended a fair number of people on DDO.
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11/24/2014 9:26:14 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I find it interesting that overwhelmingly Navajo Red Mesa High School not only use the nickname "Redskins", but take pride in it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com...

No offense, but I'll trust actual actual Native Americans on what offends them rather than let white liberals define that for them.
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11/24/2014 9:38:40 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/24/2014 9:26:14 AM, TN05 wrote:
I find it interesting that overwhelmingly Navajo Red Mesa High School not only use the nickname "Redskins", but take pride in it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com...

No offense, but I'll trust actual actual Native Americans on what offends them rather than let white liberals define that for them.

+1
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11/24/2014 9:39:34 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/24/2014 9:01:23 AM, kbub wrote:
At 11/24/2014 3:11:10 AM, bluesteel wrote:
At 11/24/2014 1:35:06 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 11/24/2014 1:31:12 AM, bluesteel wrote:
At 11/24/2014 12:51:32 AM, UchihaMadara wrote:
At 11/24/2014 12:46:09 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 11/24/2014 12:44:12 AM, UchihaMadara wrote:
At 11/24/2014 12:43:03 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 11/23/2014 10:48:41 PM, UchihaMadara wrote:
LOL I just noticed that he censored it XD

kbub, "redskins" isn't as taboo as "n*gger"....

Well, kbub tries to not offend anyone...

Maybe s/he tries a little too hard...

Perhaps...I don't censor "Redskin" and I don't care about it being a team name...there's the Chiefs, Indians, Blackhawks...but "Redskins" is all that can tick off a Native American, according to some people.

lol I would argue that even "redskins" doesn't even tick off that many natives.
it just ticks off a few advocacy groups who supposedly represent the opinions of hundreds of other tribes.... or at least, the chiefs of those hundreds of other tribes.

It's not just the chiefs of each tribe. "We found opponents of the name in 18 tribes: veterans of the U.S. military, lawyers, college students, cultural center employees, school volunteers and restaurant servers." [http://mmqb.si.com...] The name "Redskins" is more offensive than a name like "Seminoles" because (1) it has racist overtones: it is a commentary on skin color, like calling Asian people "yellow," whereas Seminoles is merely the actual name of the tribe, and (2) the Seminoles use the name and mascot with the actual tribe's permission [same source].

It's kind of hard to invoke broader polls, like of Americans in general, or even that a majority of Native Americans don't care. This country has acknowledged that racism has pernicious effects on the psyche of the targeted group, even if the majority of people support the racism. And the name has little redeeming value. It's not like people are attracted to the brand: unlike a company like Coca Cola, the Redskins fans watch the sport to support a local team and to watch good football games. It's hard to argue that no one would watch them anymore if they were the "Washington Black Mambas" or something like that.

I don't sypathize with the skin color argument. We only care about Native Americans and Asians in that respect, apparently, when we throw around the words "white" and "black."

Yeah except "white" and "black" is actually descriptive. Asians don't actually have "yellow" skin nor do Native Americans actually have "red" skin. It's far too simplistic an argument to say "well we call white people 'white,' so no pejorative term based on skin color can actually be considered pejorative." Words have whatever meaning we give them. "Black" could be a pejorative term if it was meant to be one, but it's not. "Black" was meant to *replace* offensive designations such as "n*gger" and "Negro," and is preferable to the term "African American" since not all black people are U.S. citizens. In contrast to the word "black," "redskin" was meant to be pejorative. "'Redskin is a slang term for Native Americans defined in current dictionaries of American English as 'usually offensive,' 'disparaging,' 'offensive,' and 'taboo.'" [http://en.wikipedia.org...] Language simply doesn't work the way you're implying. It's be like saying "well, the numbers 65, 66, 67, and 68 have no sexual innuendo associated with them, so the number 69 can't possible either." Since language is a fluid concept, you can't make simple analogies like that.

Nice arguments!

haha are you gonna run them in our debate?
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11/24/2014 10:12:28 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I don't understand the big deal.
Was Redskin a deragatory term? Maybe. I don't think so, since there was injun. I think it was a neutral term.

So, the term itself is not offensive, unless you choose to take offense.
So, why is Redskins their name? Because it strikes fear into their enemies.
Isn't that what a name and/or mascot are for?

Similar to the Fighting Irish.
Watch out, cuz here they come!!

I mean, was the Negro league (when they existed) a racist term?

LOL, I doubt any of this makes any sense.
My work here is, finally, done.
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11/24/2014 11:24:51 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/24/2014 10:12:28 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
I don't understand the big deal.
Was Redskin a deragatory term? Maybe. I don't think so, since there was injun. I think it was a neutral term.

So, the term itself is not offensive, unless you choose to take offense.
So, why is Redskins their name? Because it strikes fear into their enemies.
Isn't that what a name and/or mascot are for?

Similar to the Fighting Irish.
Watch out, cuz here they come!!

I mean, was the Negro league (when they existed) a racist term?

LOL, I doubt any of this makes any sense.

Is that a challenge?
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11/24/2014 11:25:50 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/24/2014 9:26:14 AM, TN05 wrote:
I find it interesting that overwhelmingly Navajo Red Mesa High School not only use the nickname "Redskins", but take pride in it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com...

No offense, but I'll trust actual actual Native Americans on what offends them rather than let white liberals define that for them.

Is that a challenge?
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11/24/2014 11:29:51 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/24/2014 11:24:51 AM, kbub wrote:
At 11/24/2014 10:12:28 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
I don't understand the big deal.
Was Redskin a deragatory term? Maybe. I don't think so, since there was injun. I think it was a neutral term.

So, the term itself is not offensive, unless you choose to take offense.
So, why is Redskins their name? Because it strikes fear into their enemies.
Isn't that what a name and/or mascot are for?

Similar to the Fighting Irish.
Watch out, cuz here they come!!

I mean, was the Negro league (when they existed) a racist term?

LOL, I doubt any of this makes any sense.

Is that a challenge?

Nah.
I don't do well in debates - too restrictive.
I prefer the forums.
My work here is, finally, done.
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11/24/2014 11:58:39 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/23/2014 7:46:08 PM, kbub wrote:
Hi y'all!

Anyone interested in debating whether Washington's team should change it's name? I'm for changing it.

Let me know!

have you considered what the people it refers to actually think? Because most political correct advocates don't consider it, and most of the people they're "advocating" for don't even care
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11/24/2014 12:20:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/24/2014 11:25:50 AM, kbub wrote:
At 11/24/2014 9:26:14 AM, TN05 wrote:
I find it interesting that overwhelmingly Navajo Red Mesa High School not only use the nickname "Redskins", but take pride in it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com...

No offense, but I'll trust actual actual Native Americans on what offends them rather than let white liberals define that for them.

Is that a challenge?

Sure.
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11/24/2014 1:01:03 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/24/2014 12:20:26 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 11/24/2014 11:25:50 AM, kbub wrote:
At 11/24/2014 9:26:14 AM, TN05 wrote:
I find it interesting that overwhelmingly Navajo Red Mesa High School not only use the nickname "Redskins", but take pride in it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com...

No offense, but I'll trust actual actual Native Americans on what offends them rather than let white liberals define that for them.

Is that a challenge?

Sure.

Nice! Let's talk specifics: http://www.debate.org...
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11/24/2014 1:02:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/24/2014 11:58:39 AM, cybertron1998 wrote:
At 11/23/2014 7:46:08 PM, kbub wrote:
Hi y'all!

Anyone interested in debating whether Washington's team should change it's name? I'm for changing it.

Let me know!

have you considered what the people it refers to actually think? Because most political correct advocates don't consider it, and most of the people they're "advocating" for don't even care

I have, yes.