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12/1/2014 1:13:32 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Ummm...I have no words.
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12/1/2014 1:14:27 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 1:13:32 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Ummm...I have no words.
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12/1/2014 1:14:57 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 1:13:32 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Ummm...I have no words.

Really, none? None at all? Come on bsh, I'm sure you have some words.
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12/1/2014 1:17:37 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 1:14:57 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:13:32 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Ummm...I have no words.

Really, none? None at all? Come on bsh, I'm sure you have some words.

I find that debate wholly inappropriate. While I know you're not a neo-nazi, the debate in and of itself seems to trivialize the millions of people who died in the holocaust, undermining the gravitas of what occurred and perhaps even justifying it. That's not okay.

Those are all the words I have--don't ask me to say anything more. I truly find that debate offensive at the deepest levels possible.
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12/1/2014 1:21:16 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 1:17:37 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:14:57 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:13:32 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Ummm...I have no words.

Really, none? None at all? Come on bsh, I'm sure you have some words.

I find that debate wholly inappropriate. While I know you're not a neo-nazi, the debate in and of itself seems to trivialize the millions of people who died in the holocaust, undermining the gravitas of what occurred and perhaps even justifying it. That's not okay.

Those are all the words I have--don't ask me to say anything more. I truly find that debate offensive at the deepest levels possible.

I am not a Neo-Nazi, and the Holocaust was disturbing I agree. But honestly there were a lot of benefits, I know this sounds absolutely disgusting but it is the truth. I mean the harm may have been more, I get it, but there were many benefits of the Nazis.

Sorry if it offends you bsh, my aim is not to offend. And I swear I do get the atrocity that Hitler committed, and it was definitely one of the lowest points of humanity, but even then there were (unconscious maybe) benefits. I am sorry though, my intent I swear is not to offend anyone.
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12/1/2014 1:24:17 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 1:21:16 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:17:37 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:14:57 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:13:32 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Ummm...I have no words.

Really, none? None at all? Come on bsh, I'm sure you have some words.

I find that debate wholly inappropriate. While I know you're not a neo-nazi, the debate in and of itself seems to trivialize the millions of people who died in the holocaust, undermining the gravitas of what occurred and perhaps even justifying it. That's not okay.

Those are all the words I have--don't ask me to say anything more. I truly find that debate offensive at the deepest levels possible.

I am not a Neo-Nazi, and the Holocaust was disturbing I agree. But honestly there were a lot of benefits, I know this sounds absolutely disgusting but it is the truth. I mean the harm may have been more, I get it, but there were many benefits of the Nazis.

I know you're not a neo-Nazi, but you cannot honestly tell me that the holocaust itself was beneficial. Maybe you could argue that the Nazi regime was beneficial, but not the holocaust. And even arguing for the benefits of the regime would be a repulsive act.
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12/1/2014 1:25:35 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 1:24:17 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:21:16 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:17:37 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:14:57 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:13:32 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Ummm...I have no words.

Really, none? None at all? Come on bsh, I'm sure you have some words.

I find that debate wholly inappropriate. While I know you're not a neo-nazi, the debate in and of itself seems to trivialize the millions of people who died in the holocaust, undermining the gravitas of what occurred and perhaps even justifying it. That's not okay.

Those are all the words I have--don't ask me to say anything more. I truly find that debate offensive at the deepest levels possible.

I am not a Neo-Nazi, and the Holocaust was disturbing I agree. But honestly there were a lot of benefits, I know this sounds absolutely disgusting but it is the truth. I mean the harm may have been more, I get it, but there were many benefits of the Nazis.

I know you're not a neo-Nazi, but you cannot honestly tell me that the holocaust itself was beneficial. Maybe you could argue that the Nazi regime was beneficial, but not the holocaust. And even arguing for the benefits of the regime would be a repulsive act.

Oops you just pointed out, I meant the Nazi regime. Urgh. :P
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12/1/2014 1:26:40 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 1:25:35 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:24:17 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:21:16 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:17:37 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:14:57 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:13:32 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Ummm...I have no words.

Really, none? None at all? Come on bsh, I'm sure you have some words.

I find that debate wholly inappropriate. While I know you're not a neo-nazi, the debate in and of itself seems to trivialize the millions of people who died in the holocaust, undermining the gravitas of what occurred and perhaps even justifying it. That's not okay.

Those are all the words I have--don't ask me to say anything more. I truly find that debate offensive at the deepest levels possible.

I am not a Neo-Nazi, and the Holocaust was disturbing I agree. But honestly there were a lot of benefits, I know this sounds absolutely disgusting but it is the truth. I mean the harm may have been more, I get it, but there were many benefits of the Nazis.

I know you're not a neo-Nazi, but you cannot honestly tell me that the holocaust itself was beneficial. Maybe you could argue that the Nazi regime was beneficial, but not the holocaust. And even arguing for the benefits of the regime would be a repulsive act.

Oops you just pointed out, I meant the Nazi regime. Urgh. :P

Yeah. Unfortunately, you are arguing that a mass genocide was good. The other stuff the Nazis did isn't topical.
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12/1/2014 1:27:49 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 1:26:40 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:25:35 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:24:17 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:21:16 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:17:37 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:14:57 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:13:32 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Ummm...I have no words.

Really, none? None at all? Come on bsh, I'm sure you have some words.

I find that debate wholly inappropriate. While I know you're not a neo-nazi, the debate in and of itself seems to trivialize the millions of people who died in the holocaust, undermining the gravitas of what occurred and perhaps even justifying it. That's not okay.

Those are all the words I have--don't ask me to say anything more. I truly find that debate offensive at the deepest levels possible.

I am not a Neo-Nazi, and the Holocaust was disturbing I agree. But honestly there were a lot of benefits, I know this sounds absolutely disgusting but it is the truth. I mean the harm may have been more, I get it, but there were many benefits of the Nazis.

I know you're not a neo-Nazi, but you cannot honestly tell me that the holocaust itself was beneficial. Maybe you could argue that the Nazi regime was beneficial, but not the holocaust. And even arguing for the benefits of the regime would be a repulsive act.

Oops you just pointed out, I meant the Nazi regime. Urgh. :P

Yeah. Unfortunately, you are arguing that a mass genocide was good. The other stuff the Nazis did isn't topical.

Erm..yeah I made a boo boo it seems. Well Devil's Advocate then. :P
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12/1/2014 1:29:56 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 1:27:49 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:26:40 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:25:35 AM, Ajabi wrote:

Oops you just pointed out, I meant the Nazi regime. Urgh. :P

Yeah. Unfortunately, you are arguing that a mass genocide was good. The other stuff the Nazis did isn't topical.

Erm..yeah I made a boo boo it seems. Well Devil's Advocate then. :P

There are just some things, Ajab, that no one in good conscience can argue for. And supporting the holocaust is one of those things.
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12/1/2014 1:31:36 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 1:29:56 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:27:49 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:26:40 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:25:35 AM, Ajabi wrote:

Oops you just pointed out, I meant the Nazi regime. Urgh. :P

Yeah. Unfortunately, you are arguing that a mass genocide was good. The other stuff the Nazis did isn't topical.

Erm..yeah I made a boo boo it seems. Well Devil's Advocate then. :P

There are just some things, Ajab, that no one in good conscience can argue for. And supporting the holocaust is one of those things.

The entire point of this site is to argue, and expand your perspectives. There actually are some arguments here you know. I mean they aren't good arguments, but they can be made to seem good.
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12/1/2014 1:39:57 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I'm with Bsh on this one...
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12/1/2014 1:50:29 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 1:26:40 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:25:35 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:24:17 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:21:16 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:17:37 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:14:57 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:13:32 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Ummm...I have no words.

Really, none? None at all? Come on bsh, I'm sure you have some words.

I find that debate wholly inappropriate. While I know you're not a neo-nazi, the debate in and of itself seems to trivialize the millions of people who died in the holocaust, undermining the gravitas of what occurred and perhaps even justifying it. That's not okay.

Those are all the words I have--don't ask me to say anything more. I truly find that debate offensive at the deepest levels possible.

I am not a Neo-Nazi, and the Holocaust was disturbing I agree. But honestly there were a lot of benefits, I know this sounds absolutely disgusting but it is the truth. I mean the harm may have been more, I get it, but there were many benefits of the Nazis.

I know you're not a neo-Nazi, but you cannot honestly tell me that the holocaust itself was beneficial. Maybe you could argue that the Nazi regime was beneficial, but not the holocaust. And even arguing for the benefits of the regime would be a repulsive act.

Oops you just pointed out, I meant the Nazi regime. Urgh. :P

Yeah. Unfortunately, you are arguing that a mass genocide was good. The other stuff the Nazis did isn't topical.

LOL. Oopsies......

You could argue that the Holocaust led to the creation of Israel. A lot of people would disagree though about whether that was a good way to go about it, or whether the impetus to remedy the Holocaust led too a too-quick, unthought-out solution for the sake of expediency. Or whether having Israel could ever outweigh losing 6 million of your people.

I'm not personally offended though. I think of it more as a counterfactual about whether the condition of the world would be a worse place if Hitler had only decided to start WWII, without deciding to exterminate the Jews. I think it's a completely indefensible debate position, but I'm not morally outraged, despite being Jewish.
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12/1/2014 1:53:47 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 1:50:29 AM, bluesteel wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:26:40 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:25:35 AM, Ajabi wrote:
Oops you just pointed out, I meant the Nazi regime. Urgh. :P

Yeah. Unfortunately, you are arguing that a mass genocide was good. The other stuff the Nazis did isn't topical.

LOL. Oopsies......

You could argue that the Holocaust led to the creation of Israel. A lot of people would disagree though about whether that was a good way to go about it, or whether the impetus to remedy the Holocaust led too a too-quick, unthought-out solution for the sake of expediency. Or whether having Israel could ever outweigh losing 6 million of your people.

It doesn't outweigh...it really doesn't...
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12/1/2014 1:59:37 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 1:11:09 AM, Ajabi wrote:
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Troll it. Argue that the Holocaust was good because it prevented the Jews from gaining enough strength to build a time machine, go back and team up with the mongol horde, then lead them through medieval Europe and create a Jewish european empire whose economy was based entirely on circumcised penises, which centuries later would have caused Putin to invade and walk through Europe, before plunging the world into a single unified communist tyrannical empire that ironically was very tolerant of gay people.
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12/1/2014 2:02:18 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 1:53:47 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:50:29 AM, bluesteel wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:26:40 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:25:35 AM, Ajabi wrote:
Oops you just pointed out, I meant the Nazi regime. Urgh. :P

Yeah. Unfortunately, you are arguing that a mass genocide was good. The other stuff the Nazis did isn't topical.

LOL. Oopsies......

You could argue that the Holocaust led to the creation of Israel. A lot of people would disagree though about whether that was a good way to go about it, or whether the impetus to remedy the Holocaust led too a too-quick, unthought-out solution for the sake of expediency. Or whether having Israel could ever outweigh losing 6 million of your people.

It doesn't outweigh...it really doesn't...

Assuming lives come first in any impact calculus, 6 million Jewish lives + lives lost in various Israeli wars + Palestinian death toll = outweighs pretty much any asserted benefit. But Ajab has a right to debate this against whiteflame of all people. I fully expect his argument to be torn asunder, and there's a certain satisfaction in that given the position he is taking.
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12/1/2014 2:04:00 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 2:02:18 AM, bluesteel wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:53:47 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:50:29 AM, bluesteel wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:26:40 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:25:35 AM, Ajabi wrote:
Oops you just pointed out, I meant the Nazi regime. Urgh. :P

Yeah. Unfortunately, you are arguing that a mass genocide was good. The other stuff the Nazis did isn't topical.

LOL. Oopsies......

You could argue that the Holocaust led to the creation of Israel. A lot of people would disagree though about whether that was a good way to go about it, or whether the impetus to remedy the Holocaust led too a too-quick, unthought-out solution for the sake of expediency. Or whether having Israel could ever outweigh losing 6 million of your people.

It doesn't outweigh...it really doesn't...

Assuming lives come first in any impact calculus, 6 million Jewish lives + lives lost in various Israeli wars + Palestinian death toll = outweighs pretty much any asserted benefit. But Ajab has a right to debate this against whiteflame of all people. I fully expect his argument to be torn asunder, and there's a certain satisfaction in that given the position he is taking.

Agreed, but that doesn't change my view that the debate is fundamentally offensive.
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12/1/2014 2:05:10 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 2:04:00 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 2:02:18 AM, bluesteel wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:53:47 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:50:29 AM, bluesteel wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:26:40 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:25:35 AM, Ajabi wrote:
Oops you just pointed out, I meant the Nazi regime. Urgh. :P

Yeah. Unfortunately, you are arguing that a mass genocide was good. The other stuff the Nazis did isn't topical.

LOL. Oopsies......

You could argue that the Holocaust led to the creation of Israel. A lot of people would disagree though about whether that was a good way to go about it, or whether the impetus to remedy the Holocaust led too a too-quick, unthought-out solution for the sake of expediency. Or whether having Israel could ever outweigh losing 6 million of your people.

It doesn't outweigh...it really doesn't...

Assuming lives come first in any impact calculus, 6 million Jewish lives + lives lost in various Israeli wars + Palestinian death toll = outweighs pretty much any asserted benefit. But Ajab has a right to debate this against whiteflame of all people. I fully expect his argument to be torn asunder, and there's a certain satisfaction in that given the position he is taking.

Agreed, but that doesn't change my view that the debate is fundamentally offensive.

But it's not objectively offensive, given our disagreement :P
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12/1/2014 2:06:39 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 2:05:10 AM, bluesteel wrote:
At 12/1/2014 2:04:00 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Agreed, but that doesn't change my view that the debate is fundamentally offensive.

But it's not objectively offensive, given our disagreement :P

I don't think anything is objectively offensive, lol.
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12/1/2014 2:07:47 AM
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Nazism lead to many technological advances, not least of which included accelerated nuclear technological development, aviation, rocket technology, etc.

And then there was the genetic cleansing of the population. Ajab has it easy in this debate.
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12/1/2014 2:22:45 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 2:06:39 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 2:05:10 AM, bluesteel wrote:
At 12/1/2014 2:04:00 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Agreed, but that doesn't change my view that the debate is fundamentally offensive.

But it's not objectively offensive, given our disagreement :P

I don't think anything is objectively offensive, lol.

How can something be both fundementally offensive and not objectively offensive, lol.
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12/1/2014 4:25:11 AM
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At 12/1/2014 2:22:45 AM, Envisage wrote:
How can something be both fundementally offensive and not objectively offensive, lol.
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12/1/2014 4:26:18 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 2:02:18 AM, bluesteel wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:53:47 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:50:29 AM, bluesteel wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:26:40 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:25:35 AM, Ajabi wrote:
Oops you just pointed out, I meant the Nazi regime. Urgh. :P

Yeah. Unfortunately, you are arguing that a mass genocide was good. The other stuff the Nazis did isn't topical.

LOL. Oopsies......

You could argue that the Holocaust led to the creation of Israel. A lot of people would disagree though about whether that was a good way to go about it, or whether the impetus to remedy the Holocaust led too a too-quick, unthought-out solution for the sake of expediency. Or whether having Israel could ever outweigh losing 6 million of your people.

It doesn't outweigh...it really doesn't...

Assuming lives come first in any impact calculus, 6 million Jewish lives + lives lost in various Israeli wars + Palestinian death toll = outweighs pretty much any asserted benefit. But Ajab has a right to debate this against whiteflame of all people. I fully expect his argument to be torn asunder, and there's a certain satisfaction in that given the position he is taking.

Thanks for remaining unbiased judge. :P
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12/1/2014 4:29:39 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 4:26:18 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 12/1/2014 2:02:18 AM, bluesteel wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:53:47 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:50:29 AM, bluesteel wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:26:40 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:25:35 AM, Ajabi wrote:
Oops you just pointed out, I meant the Nazi regime. Urgh. :P

Yeah. Unfortunately, you are arguing that a mass genocide was good. The other stuff the Nazis did isn't topical.

LOL. Oopsies......

You could argue that the Holocaust led to the creation of Israel. A lot of people would disagree though about whether that was a good way to go about it, or whether the impetus to remedy the Holocaust led too a too-quick, unthought-out solution for the sake of expediency. Or whether having Israel could ever outweigh losing 6 million of your people.

It doesn't outweigh...it really doesn't...

Assuming lives come first in any impact calculus, 6 million Jewish lives + lives lost in various Israeli wars + Palestinian death toll = outweighs pretty much any asserted benefit. But Ajab has a right to debate this against whiteflame of all people. I fully expect his argument to be torn asunder, and there's a certain satisfaction in that given the position he is taking.

Thanks for remaining unbiased judge. :P

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12/1/2014 10:26:53 AM
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At 12/1/2014 1:14:27 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:13:32 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Ummm...I have no words.
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