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12/10/2014 6:52:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I say less biased, because it is obviously impossible to remove bias completely. In this google doc, I have compiled a list of platform comparisons. I was able to retrieve information about each canidates platform from the following forum posts: http://www.debate.org... and http://www.debate.org....

I did my best to leave out things that aren't exclusive to presidency. For example, I wouldn't include Mikal's fitness initiative because it is something he can easily initiate without being president.
Here is the google doc: https://docs.google.com...
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12/10/2014 6:56:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
this was really helpful, thx
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12/10/2014 7:00:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/10/2014 6:56:59 PM, SeventhProfessor wrote:
this was really helpful, thx

im really glad this helped someone out :)
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12/10/2014 7:04:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/10/2014 7:00:32 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Whelp, I was working on this (once I get a response from Bladerunner). But thank you.

i had decided that if no one had made one by the time i got out of school, i'd go ahead and compile a list. you can still do yours if you want
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12/10/2014 7:07:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/10/2014 7:06:42 PM, Mirza wrote:
Thanks for doing this, debatability. May I recommend a modification to one part there?

absolutely
i'm open to any edits
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12/10/2014 7:08:25 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I just wanted to point out the peacekeeper thing was Unitomic's idea, and that he said he was willing to work with ANY president on improving forum conduct.
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12/10/2014 7:10:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/10/2014 7:07:56 PM, debatability wrote:
absolutely
i'm open to any edits
It is fine, actually; I had not read the part after "forum" where you added "affairs." I want to note that I would not be in charge, but have a degree of autonomy and a stronger voice from the perspective of Airmax and Bladerunner in case there is something very troublesome in the forums that needs correction.
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12/10/2014 7:10:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/10/2014 6:52:41 PM, debatability wrote:
I say less biased, because it is obviously impossible to remove bias completely. In this google doc, I have compiled a list of platform comparisons. I was able to retrieve information about each canidates platform from the following forum posts: http://www.debate.org... and http://www.debate.org....

I did my best to leave out things that aren't exclusive to presidency. For example, I wouldn't include Mikal's fitness initiative because it is something he can easily initiate without being president.
Here is the google doc: https://docs.google.com...

I think this is a fair depiction of both side's positions thus far and I appreciate that you left out things for both sides that could be done absent being elected (e.g. both mikal's fitness program and blade's personal vote pledge). Thanks for putting this together and being fair to both sides.
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12/10/2014 7:11:50 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/10/2014 6:52:41 PM, debatability wrote:
I say less biased, because it is obviously impossible to remove bias completely. In this google doc, I have compiled a list of platform comparisons. I was able to retrieve information about each canidates platform from the following forum posts: http://www.debate.org... and http://www.debate.org....

I did my best to leave out things that aren't exclusive to presidency. For example, I wouldn't include Mikal's fitness initiative because it is something he can easily initiate without being president.
Here is the google doc: https://docs.google.com...

It's nice but probably irrelevant. It's one thing to say you're going to do a bunch of things, and quite another to have the skill and motivation to see them implemented. This is one reason why I don't pay much attention to their platforms.
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12/10/2014 7:19:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I think it was good to provide a neutral outlook, though.
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12/10/2014 7:21:37 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/10/2014 6:52:41 PM, debatability wrote:
I say less biased, because it is obviously impossible to remove bias completely. In this google doc, I have compiled a list of platform comparisons. I was able to retrieve information about each canidates platform from the following forum posts: http://www.debate.org... and http://www.debate.org....

I did my best to leave out things that aren't exclusive to presidency. For example, I wouldn't include Mikal's fitness initiative because it is something he can easily initiate without being president.
Here is the google doc: https://docs.google.com...

Thanks for this debatability
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12/10/2014 7:27:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/10/2014 7:19:48 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I think it was good to provide a neutral outlook, though.

thanks; and i actually updated the doc to show that mikal only endorses (rather than coming up with) the peacekeepers idea
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12/10/2014 7:28:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/10/2014 7:27:56 PM, debatability wrote:
At 12/10/2014 7:19:48 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I think it was good to provide a neutral outlook, though.

thanks; and i actually updated the doc to show that mikal only endorses (rather than coming up with) the peacekeepers idea

Thank you :) I appreciate that, Debate.
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12/10/2014 7:52:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
what does being 100% transparent mean? Did mikal make specific criticisms about blades transparency or offer any specific explanation of what this means? In particular I'm wondering if mikal intends to Brief the community on every interaction he has with juggle.
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12/10/2014 7:54:54 PM
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At 12/10/2014 7:52:16 PM, Raisor wrote:
what does being 100% transparent mean? Did mikal make specific criticisms about blades transparency or offer any specific explanation of what this means? In particular I'm wondering if mikal intends to Brief the community on every interaction he has with juggle.

I made a statement about it, I just think that when juggles says they are allocating sources, have no desire to work with us, will do something or will not do something. I think DDO has a right to know

I want to give updates about what is happening with them
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12/10/2014 8:03:20 PM
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At 12/10/2014 7:52:16 PM, Raisor wrote:
what does being 100% transparent mean? Did mikal make specific criticisms about blades transparency or offer any specific explanation of what this means? In particular I'm wondering if mikal intends to Brief the community on every interaction he has with juggle.

i would like to know that as well
i mainly used that term because i've heard him use it himself
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12/10/2014 8:10:42 PM
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At 12/10/2014 6:52:41 PM, debatability wrote:
I say less biased, because it is obviously impossible to remove bias completely. In this google doc, I have compiled a list of platform comparisons. I was able to retrieve information about each canidates platform from the following forum posts: http://www.debate.org... and http://www.debate.org....

I did my best to leave out things that aren't exclusive to presidency. For example, I wouldn't include Mikal's fitness initiative because it is something he can easily initiate without being president.
Here is the google doc: https://docs.google.com...

Pace Keepers is Unit's idea... It's independent of any party. It'll be set up no matter what.
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12/10/2014 8:17:34 PM
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At 12/10/2014 8:10:42 PM, donald.keller wrote:
At 12/10/2014 6:52:41 PM, debatability wrote:
I say less biased, because it is obviously impossible to remove bias completely. In this google doc, I have compiled a list of platform comparisons. I was able to retrieve information about each canidates platform from the following forum posts: http://www.debate.org... and http://www.debate.org....

I did my best to leave out things that aren't exclusive to presidency. For example, I wouldn't include Mikal's fitness initiative because it is something he can easily initiate without being president.
Here is the google doc: https://docs.google.com...

Pace Keepers is Unit's idea... It's independent of any party. It'll be set up no matter what.

it is worth noting that mikal actively endorses it
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12/10/2014 8:19:42 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/10/2014 8:17:34 PM, debatability wrote:
At 12/10/2014 8:10:42 PM, donald.keller wrote:
At 12/10/2014 6:52:41 PM, debatability wrote:
I say less biased, because it is obviously impossible to remove bias completely. In this google doc, I have compiled a list of platform comparisons. I was able to retrieve information about each canidates platform from the following forum posts: http://www.debate.org... and http://www.debate.org....

I did my best to leave out things that aren't exclusive to presidency. For example, I wouldn't include Mikal's fitness initiative because it is something he can easily initiate without being president.
Here is the google doc: https://docs.google.com...

Pace Keepers is Unit's idea... It's independent of any party. It'll be set up no matter what.

it is worth noting that mikal actively endorses it

Of course. But when I last read it, you mentioned it as though it wasn't Units idea.
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12/10/2014 8:25:02 PM
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At 12/10/2014 8:19:42 PM, donald.keller wrote:
At 12/10/2014 8:17:34 PM, debatability wrote:
At 12/10/2014 8:10:42 PM, donald.keller wrote:
At 12/10/2014 6:52:41 PM, debatability wrote:
I say less biased, because it is obviously impossible to remove bias completely. In this google doc, I have compiled a list of platform comparisons. I was able to retrieve information about each canidates platform from the following forum posts: http://www.debate.org... and http://www.debate.org....

I did my best to leave out things that aren't exclusive to presidency. For example, I wouldn't include Mikal's fitness initiative because it is something he can easily initiate without being president.
Here is the google doc: https://docs.google.com...

Pace Keepers is Unit's idea... It's independent of any party. It'll be set up no matter what.

it is worth noting that mikal actively endorses it

Of course. But when I last read it, you mentioned it as though it wasn't Units idea.

i edited the document and it now notes that mikal is only endorsing the idea
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12/10/2014 8:31:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Excellent comparison chart. 10/10
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12/10/2014 9:30:35 PM
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At 12/10/2014 7:54:54 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/10/2014 7:52:16 PM, Raisor wrote:
what does being 100% transparent mean? Did mikal make specific criticisms about blades transparency or offer any specific explanation of what this means? In particular I'm wondering if mikal intends to Brief the community on every interaction he has with juggle.

I made a statement about it, I just think that when juggles says they are allocating sources, have no desire to work with us, will do something or will not do something. I think DDO has a right to know

I want to give updates about what is happening with them

You realize that will make them less willing to share information with you? You should talk to TUF or AirMax about how this avenue of communication works. Juggle has zero obligation to take the ddo president seriously, if you can't maintain confidentiality they won't share information they feel is even slightly confidential. They might even just ignore you altogether.
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12/10/2014 9:32:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/10/2014 9:30:35 PM, Raisor wrote:
At 12/10/2014 7:54:54 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/10/2014 7:52:16 PM, Raisor wrote:
what does being 100% transparent mean? Did mikal make specific criticisms about blades transparency or offer any specific explanation of what this means? In particular I'm wondering if mikal intends to Brief the community on every interaction he has with juggle.

I made a statement about it, I just think that when juggles says they are allocating sources, have no desire to work with us, will do something or will not do something. I think DDO has a right to know

I want to give updates about what is happening with them

You realize that will make them less willing to share information with you? You should talk to TUF or AirMax about how this avenue of communication works. Juggle has zero obligation to take the ddo president seriously, if you can't maintain confidentiality they won't share information they feel is even slightly confidential. They might even just ignore you altogether.
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12/10/2014 9:36:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/10/2014 9:30:35 PM, Raisor wrote:
At 12/10/2014 7:54:54 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/10/2014 7:52:16 PM, Raisor wrote:
what does being 100% transparent mean? Did mikal make specific criticisms about blades transparency or offer any specific explanation of what this means? In particular I'm wondering if mikal intends to Brief the community on every interaction he has with juggle.

I made a statement about it, I just think that when juggles says they are allocating sources, have no desire to work with us, will do something or will not do something. I think DDO has a right to know

I want to give updates about what is happening with them

You realize that will make them less willing to share information with you? You should talk to TUF or AirMax about how this avenue of communication works. Juggle has zero obligation to take the ddo president seriously, if you can't maintain confidentiality they won't share information they feel is even slightly confidential. They might even just ignore you altogether.

That requires for juggle to be active or actually be here for 1. 2 If you would have just saws tuf recent outburst where he quoted

" I degrade the quality " as a whole , continued to tell me to screw off and everything else when I remained civil

If he can maintain a working relationship with them, im sure anyone can. Even bench .
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12/10/2014 9:45:50 PM
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At 12/10/2014 9:36:00 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/10/2014 9:30:35 PM, Raisor wrote:
At 12/10/2014 7:54:54 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/10/2014 7:52:16 PM, Raisor wrote:
what does being 100% transparent mean? Did mikal make specific criticisms about blades transparency or offer any specific explanation of what this means? In particular I'm wondering if mikal intends to Brief the community on every interaction he has with juggle.

I made a statement about it, I just think that when juggles says they are allocating sources, have no desire to work with us, will do something or will not do something. I think DDO has a right to know

I want to give updates about what is happening with them

You realize that will make them less willing to share information with you? You should talk to TUF or AirMax about how this avenue of communication works. Juggle has zero obligation to take the ddo president seriously, if you can't maintain confidentiality they won't share information they feel is even slightly confidential. They might even just ignore you altogether.

That requires for juggle to be active or actually be here for 1. 2 If you would have just saws tuf recent outburst where he quoted

" I degrade the quality " as a whole , continued to tell me to screw off and everything else when I remained civil

If he can maintain a working relationship with them, im sure anyone can. Even bench .

I only mentioned TUF because I know confidentiality was part of his working relationship with juggle.

This has nothing to do with civility. It has to do with a working relationship requiring a policy of confidentiality which you are explicitly stating you will not maintain.
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12/10/2014 9:51:58 PM
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At 12/10/2014 9:45:50 PM, Raisor wrote:
At 12/10/2014 9:36:00 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/10/2014 9:30:35 PM, Raisor wrote:
At 12/10/2014 7:54:54 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/10/2014 7:52:16 PM, Raisor wrote:
what does being 100% transparent mean? Did mikal make specific criticisms about blades transparency or offer any specific explanation of what this means? In particular I'm wondering if mikal intends to Brief the community on every interaction he has with juggle.

I made a statement about it, I just think that when juggles says they are allocating sources, have no desire to work with us, will do something or will not do something. I think DDO has a right to know

I want to give updates about what is happening with them

You realize that will make them less willing to share information with you? You should talk to TUF or AirMax about how this avenue of communication works. Juggle has zero obligation to take the ddo president seriously, if you can't maintain confidentiality they won't share information they feel is even slightly confidential. They might even just ignore you altogether.

That requires for juggle to be active or actually be here for 1. 2 If you would have just saws tuf recent outburst where he quoted

" I degrade the quality " as a whole , continued to tell me to screw off and everything else when I remained civil

If he can maintain a working relationship with them, im sure anyone can. Even bench .

I only mentioned TUF because I know confidentiality was part of his working relationship with juggle.

This has nothing to do with civility. It has to do with a working relationship requiring a policy of confidentiality which you are explicitly stating you will not maintain.

Confidentiality to some extent, if they tell you they are going to shut down the site that may be one thing to argue where transparency is needed and I would probably agree in that sense as would most of the community. There are some situations that would require it , but I most certainly think we are not going to run into that during this term or even the next. Much less that would come up at all. Do you realize they have did literally nothing since tuf has been in office. Not even update the presidential info at the bottom of the page from nearly a year ago which takes all of like 30 seconds. They have not even touched the site

The thing seems to be having a working relationship with them, but people that had a working relationship with them have got nothing done either. Having a relationship with something that is not there , is like saying you can make love with your imaginary friend.

IF and win they do reach out to us, between bluesteel myself and the others working with us, we most certainly can build a open relationship.

Informing users about site updates and when they are coming will not effect that , nor will stating that have ventures in other projects. The argument is don't tick them off or they won't do anything. Well they are quite content with the site the way it is in general, if you don't make the push for change they aren't going to touch it because the site has already achieved its purpose to them
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12/10/2014 10:26:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/10/2014 6:52:41 PM, debatability wrote:
Here is the google doc: https://docs.google.com...
Thanks for making this, I had drafted the layout for one (google spreadsheet), but until tonight i haven't had time to actually study their platforms.

Guess it's time to make a decision...
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