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12/12/2014 9:06:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
So Airmax wanted everyone to have a talk about the election in another thread, so I made one for that very purpose.

While I still don't want to throw my support behind a candidate, I want to say that the requirements are there for a reason. People supporting one candidate may have created many accounts before the election and bumped up the post count to 500. Further, people who haven't been on here long only know the specifics of each candidate's position, without having an intuition of what's best for the site. They're essentially take a shot in the dark. Overall, I think voting requirements aren't only useful, but almost as mandatory as citizenship for voting in US elections.
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12/12/2014 9:07:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/12/2014 9:06:08 PM, Subutai wrote:
So Airmax wanted everyone to have a talk about the election in another thread, so I made one for that very purpose.

While I still don't want to throw my support behind a candidate, I want to say that the requirements are there for a reason. People supporting one candidate may have created many accounts before the election and bumped up the post count to 500. Further, people who haven't been on here long only know the specifics of each candidate's position, without having an intuition of what's best for the site. They're essentially take a shot in the dark. Overall, I think voting requirements aren't only useful, but almost as mandatory as citizenship for voting in US elections.

Agree 100%.
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12/12/2014 11:11:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Ultimately, it comes down to if the requirements are too lenient or too strict. It hasn't been updated in years(Hell, it's been the same since I've been on the site in 2012). I think it is definitely due for an update to fit a modern DDO.

Nonetheless, I feel the need to comment on what an interesting election this has turned out to be. The count, with all votes seen so far, is 64 to Mikal and 54 to Bladerunner. Although a margin of ten doesn't seem close if you look at past elections, this election seems like it will not follow any precedent that we have seen so far in DDO elections.

Of course, this election is most definitely not over. I'd imagine both sides have mapped out some kind of strategy for a ground campaign to turn out votes. Of course, a question is, 'How many votes do we even have left?' I'd imagine there are still a load of people who haven't voted yet, and both sides need those critical votes. It'll be interesting if Blade's campaign can steal some of Mikal's already committed vote. I think we may see a few cases of that this weekend.

We probably won't know the winner until we maybe an hour or two before the polling closes, and even then, both sides may have a last-minute strategy.
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12/12/2014 11:13:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Sig change to Jim Carey discussing the differences between the campaigns and to Will Smith talking about Mikal's strategy as president.
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12/12/2014 11:50:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/12/2014 11:41:50 PM, Unitomic wrote:
so when does the voting end?

not soon enough
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12/12/2014 11:53:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/12/2014 9:07:36 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/12/2014 9:06:08 PM, Subutai wrote:
So Airmax wanted everyone to have a talk about the election in another thread, so I made one for that very purpose.

While I still don't want to throw my support behind a candidate, I want to say that the requirements are there for a reason. People supporting one candidate may have created many accounts before the election and bumped up the post count to 500. Further, people who haven't been on here long only know the specifics of each candidate's position, without having an intuition of what's best for the site. They're essentially take a shot in the dark. Overall, I think voting requirements aren't only useful, but almost as mandatory as citizenship for voting in US elections.

Agree 100%.
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12/13/2014 12:21:34 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Anyone else notice the random surge of noob votes? Interesting.
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12/13/2014 12:23:43 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/13/2014 12:21:34 AM, TUF wrote:
Anyone else notice the random surge of noob votes? Interesting.

I noticed as well, but the ones I checked seemed legit. Multiple debates and all.
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12/13/2014 12:24:24 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/13/2014 12:21:34 AM, TUF wrote:
Anyone else notice the random surge of noob votes? Interesting.

I'm actually confident that 90% of them are voting in favor of Mikal too. I'd be interested in seeing the statistics of it to see what the percentage is, but just from skimming a LOOOOOT of them are voting his way.
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12/13/2014 12:27:01 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/13/2014 12:21:34 AM, TUF wrote:
Anyone else notice the random surge of noob votes? Interesting.

why so?
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12/13/2014 12:28:48 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/13/2014 12:27:01 AM, Unitomic wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:21:34 AM, TUF wrote:
Anyone else notice the random surge of noob votes? Interesting.

why so?

Wonder if mass messages are being sent out, #conspiracy
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12/13/2014 12:28:54 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/13/2014 12:24:24 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:21:34 AM, TUF wrote:
Anyone else notice the random surge of noob votes? Interesting.

I'm actually confident that 90% of them are voting in favor of Mikal too. I'd be interested in seeing the statistics of it to see what the percentage is, but just from skimming a LOOOOOT of them are voting his way.

I'm sure if Mikal & co just went around through the list of noobs and sent them each a message asking for their vote, they'd comply. It's not too hard to imagine.
Anywho, Blade has already been president once.
I don't see any problem in giving Mikal a one time shot just for the hell of it.
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12/13/2014 12:31:05 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/13/2014 12:24:24 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:21:34 AM, TUF wrote:
Anyone else notice the random surge of noob votes? Interesting.

I'm actually confident that 90% of them are voting in favor of Mikal too. I'd be interested in seeing the statistics of it to see what the percentage is, but just from skimming a LOOOOOT of them are voting his way.

Interesting.
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12/13/2014 12:31:11 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/13/2014 12:24:24 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:21:34 AM, TUF wrote:
Anyone else notice the random surge of noob votes? Interesting.

I'm actually confident that 90% of them are voting in favor of Mikal too. I'd be interested in seeing the statistics of it to see what the percentage is, but just from skimming a LOOOOOT of them are voting his way.

well until you can prove this, it's entirely inappropriate to make such a demonizing claim.
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12/13/2014 12:31:58 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/13/2014 12:24:24 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:21:34 AM, TUF wrote:
Anyone else notice the random surge of noob votes? Interesting.

I'm actually confident that 90% of them are voting in favor of Mikal too. I'd be interested in seeing the statistics of it to see what the percentage is, but just from skimming a LOOOOOT of them are voting his way.

Eh try 65 ish

When you play to a base and it surges past the initial group of people voting it counters out later.

Say 50 people usually vote and all are new members. Group A plays to that, Group B plays to a new base of 75 people

Say 35 of the usual members go to A = 35

Then say like 15 of them to b, B= 15

out of the 75 new people 20 are to A and 55 are to B

B = 15 + 55 = 70
A 35 + 20 = 55

From that point on , the only way for A to win is grap new members to counter the influx that went to B. Then it balances out like 65 ish on B and 35ish on A

That is after each side grabs more to try and get the win

That is how this election went verbatim
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12/13/2014 12:32:39 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/13/2014 12:31:11 AM, Unitomic wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:24:24 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:21:34 AM, TUF wrote:
Anyone else notice the random surge of noob votes? Interesting.

I'm actually confident that 90% of them are voting in favor of Mikal too. I'd be interested in seeing the statistics of it to see what the percentage is, but just from skimming a LOOOOOT of them are voting his way.

well until you can prove this,

Any precursory scan through the thread can give evidence of this.

it's entirely inappropriate to make such a demonizing claim.

1. How is commenting on the election, which is the entire point of this thread, inappropriate?
2. In what way is this claim demonizing?
3. Why are you being so hostile?
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12/13/2014 12:34:49 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/13/2014 12:31:11 AM, Unitomic wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:24:24 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:21:34 AM, TUF wrote:
Anyone else notice the random surge of noob votes? Interesting.

I'm actually confident that 90% of them are voting in favor of Mikal too. I'd be interested in seeing the statistics of it to see what the percentage is, but just from skimming a LOOOOOT of them are voting his way.

well until you can prove this, it's entirely inappropriate to make such a demonizing claim.

No statements or opinions have been made, were just observing.
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12/13/2014 12:37:17 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/13/2014 12:34:49 AM, TUF wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:31:11 AM, Unitomic wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:24:24 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:21:34 AM, TUF wrote:
Anyone else notice the random surge of noob votes? Interesting.

I'm actually confident that 90% of them are voting in favor of Mikal too. I'd be interested in seeing the statistics of it to see what the percentage is, but just from skimming a LOOOOOT of them are voting his way.

well until you can prove this, it's entirely inappropriate to make such a demonizing claim.

No statements or opinions have been made, were just observing.

You don't have to be shy yo, if you wan't to bash me verbally again you are welcome too. I already stated between our entire camapgin we got about 1100 messages out. You act like that is a bad thing to do, or its breaking some type of rule.

No reason to be coy
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12/13/2014 12:38:12 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/13/2014 12:34:49 AM, TUF wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:31:11 AM, Unitomic wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:24:24 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:21:34 AM, TUF wrote:
Anyone else notice the random surge of noob votes? Interesting.

I'm actually confident that 90% of them are voting in favor of Mikal too. I'd be interested in seeing the statistics of it to see what the percentage is, but just from skimming a LOOOOOT of them are voting his way.

well until you can prove this, it's entirely inappropriate to make such a demonizing claim.

No statements or opinions have been made, were just observing.

Is sending out messages banned or something?
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12/13/2014 12:40:39 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/13/2014 12:37:17 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:34:49 AM, TUF wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:31:11 AM, Unitomic wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:24:24 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:21:34 AM, TUF wrote:
Anyone else notice the random surge of noob votes? Interesting.

I'm actually confident that 90% of them are voting in favor of Mikal too. I'd be interested in seeing the statistics of it to see what the percentage is, but just from skimming a LOOOOOT of them are voting his way.

well until you can prove this, it's entirely inappropriate to make such a demonizing claim.

No statements or opinions have been made, were just observing.

You don't have to be shy yo, if you wan't to bash me verbally again you are welcome too.

You flat out lied about things I and other people have said, and after repeatedly asking for you to back yourself up, you completely refused to. But observing voting tendencies as interesting, isn't a verbal bashing. You can take it however you want. Hell, you took ads that had nothing to do with you as offensive so frankly, I am not surprised.

I already stated between our entire camapgin we got about 1100 messages out. You act like that is a bad thing to do, or its breaking some type of rule.

No reason to be coy

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12/13/2014 12:41:09 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/13/2014 12:38:12 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:34:49 AM, TUF wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:31:11 AM, Unitomic wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:24:24 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:21:34 AM, TUF wrote:
Anyone else notice the random surge of noob votes? Interesting.

I'm actually confident that 90% of them are voting in favor of Mikal too. I'd be interested in seeing the statistics of it to see what the percentage is, but just from skimming a LOOOOOT of them are voting his way.

well until you can prove this, it's entirely inappropriate to make such a demonizing claim.

No statements or opinions have been made, were just observing.

Is sending out messages banned or something?

Did I say that? Making an observation.
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12/13/2014 12:42:21 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/13/2014 12:41:09 AM, TUF wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:38:12 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:34:49 AM, TUF wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:31:11 AM, Unitomic wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:24:24 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:21:34 AM, TUF wrote:
Anyone else notice the random surge of noob votes? Interesting.

I'm actually confident that 90% of them are voting in favor of Mikal too. I'd be interested in seeing the statistics of it to see what the percentage is, but just from skimming a LOOOOOT of them are voting his way.

well until you can prove this, it's entirely inappropriate to make such a demonizing claim.

No statements or opinions have been made, were just observing.

Is sending out messages banned or something?

Did I say that? Making an observation.

Good god man im just trying to see if there is something I dont know. Take a chill pill.
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12/13/2014 12:43:09 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/13/2014 12:42:21 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:41:09 AM, TUF wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:38:12 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:34:49 AM, TUF wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:31:11 AM, Unitomic wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:24:24 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:21:34 AM, TUF wrote:
Anyone else notice the random surge of noob votes? Interesting.

I'm actually confident that 90% of them are voting in favor of Mikal too. I'd be interested in seeing the statistics of it to see what the percentage is, but just from skimming a LOOOOOT of them are voting his way.

well until you can prove this, it's entirely inappropriate to make such a demonizing claim.

No statements or opinions have been made, were just observing.

Is sending out messages banned or something?

Did I say that? Making an observation.

Good god man im just trying to see if there is something I dont know. Take a chill pill.

Lol completely chill. Mikal just lost his sh1t over nothing lol
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12/13/2014 12:44:45 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/13/2014 12:43:09 AM, TUF wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:42:21 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:41:09 AM, TUF wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:38:12 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:34:49 AM, TUF wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:31:11 AM, Unitomic wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:24:24 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:21:34 AM, TUF wrote:
Anyone else notice the random surge of noob votes? Interesting.

I'm actually confident that 90% of them are voting in favor of Mikal too. I'd be interested in seeing the statistics of it to see what the percentage is, but just from skimming a LOOOOOT of them are voting his way.

well until you can prove this, it's entirely inappropriate to make such a demonizing claim.

No statements or opinions have been made, were just observing.

Is sending out messages banned or something?

Did I say that? Making an observation.

Good god man im just trying to see if there is something I dont know. Take a chill pill.

Lol completely chill. Mikal just lost his sh1t over nothing lol

I didnt even notice. I was legit just trying to figure out if there were election rules or something. Completely unrelated to whatever is happening between you and mikal. You seemed kinda snappy.
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12/13/2014 12:46:22 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/13/2014 12:44:45 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:43:09 AM, TUF wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:42:21 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:41:09 AM, TUF wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:38:12 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:34:49 AM, TUF wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:31:11 AM, Unitomic wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:24:24 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:21:34 AM, TUF wrote:
Anyone else notice the random surge of noob votes? Interesting.

I'm actually confident that 90% of them are voting in favor of Mikal too. I'd be interested in seeing the statistics of it to see what the percentage is, but just from skimming a LOOOOOT of them are voting his way.

well until you can prove this, it's entirely inappropriate to make such a demonizing claim.

No statements or opinions have been made, were just observing.

Is sending out messages banned or something?

Did I say that? Making an observation.

Good god man im just trying to see if there is something I dont know. Take a chill pill.

Lol completely chill. Mikal just lost his sh1t over nothing lol

I didnt even notice. I was legit just trying to figure out if there were election rules or something. Completely unrelated to whatever is happening between you and mikal. You seemed kinda snappy.

Nah, completely calm. Were just chilling and talking about some of our observations in the hangout. Seemingly most people in their seem to be on board with understanding the way things are going.
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12/13/2014 12:46:51 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/13/2014 12:40:39 AM, TUF wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:37:17 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:34:49 AM, TUF wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:31:11 AM, Unitomic wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:24:24 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:21:34 AM, TUF wrote:
Anyone else notice the random surge of noob votes? Interesting.

I'm actually confident that 90% of them are voting in favor of Mikal too. I'd be interested in seeing the statistics of it to see what the percentage is, but just from skimming a LOOOOOT of them are voting his way.

well until you can prove this, it's entirely inappropriate to make such a demonizing claim.

No statements or opinions have been made, were just observing.

You don't have to be shy yo, if you wan't to bash me verbally again you are welcome too.

You flat out lied about things I and other people have said, and after repeatedly asking for you to back yourself up, you completely refused to. But observing voting tendencies as interesting, isn't a verbal bashing. You can take it however you want. Hell, you took ads that had nothing to do with you as offensive so frankly, I am not surprised.

I already stated between our entire camapgin we got about 1100 messages out. You act like that is a bad thing to do, or its breaking some type of rule.

No reason to be coy

Man up and talk to me in the hangout.

I'm not ruining a hangout for them to deal with you. The entire point of that was for everyone to go in and have fun, not to listen to you complain about something everyone dropped yesterday. You have been nothing but rude, snide, and attempted to take pokes at me in efforts to degrade me.

Think what you want, the things you said were a direct reflection of your character and is unbecoming of you as a person and even more so of an ex president. I am not in the mood or care enough to drudge up your behavior again, but anyone that read that thread can clearly see everything I just stated.

Outside of that I have nothing left to say to you, just stop taking invisible shots at me in an effort to get me to respond to you in a negative way. I have remained civil throughout this entire thing and will continue to do so, stop making yourself look bad by trying to provoke people into fights

/end

let this go back to the intent of the original post, and stop trying to do what your trying to do. Its literally childish.
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12/13/2014 12:52:01 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/13/2014 12:46:51 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:40:39 AM, TUF wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:37:17 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:34:49 AM, TUF wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:31:11 AM, Unitomic wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:24:24 AM, Zaradi wrote:
At 12/13/2014 12:21:34 AM, TUF wrote:
Anyone else notice the random surge of noob votes? Interesting.

I'm actually confident that 90% of them are voting in favor of Mikal too. I'd be interested in seeing the statistics of it to see what the percentage is, but just from skimming a LOOOOOT of them are voting his way.

well until you can prove this, it's entirely inappropriate to make such a demonizing claim.

No statements or opinions have been made, were just observing.

You don't have to be shy yo, if you wan't to bash me verbally again you are welcome too.

You flat out lied about things I and other people have said, and after repeatedly asking for you to back yourself up, you completely refused to. But observing voting tendencies as interesting, isn't a verbal bashing. You can take it however you want. Hell, you took ads that had nothing to do with you as offensive so frankly, I am not surprised.

I already stated between our entire camapgin we got about 1100 messages out. You act like that is a bad thing to do, or its breaking some type of rule.

No reason to be coy

Man up and talk to me in the hangout.

I'm not ruining a hangout for them to deal with you. The entire point of that was for everyone to go in and have fun, not to listen to you complain about something everyone dropped yesterday. You have been nothing but rude, snide, and attempted to take pokes at me in efforts to degrade me.

I just want to see you avoid the subject of your lies where you can dance around them by playing the blame game to cover them up. You were the one who continued "laughing" at meme's YYW posted after I had removed myself from the discussion.

Think what you want, the things you said were a direct reflection of your character and is unbecoming of you as a person and even more so of an ex president. I am not in the mood or care enough to drudge up your behavior again, but anyone that read that thread can clearly see everything I just stated.

Lol the funny thing is I have been talking to people who actually agree with some of the things I said. But either way, I have already dropped most of that, my current issues are with your continued lying.

Outside of that I have nothing left to say to you, just stop taking invisible shots at me in an effort to get me to respond to you in a negative way. I have remained civil throughout this entire thing and will continue to do so, stop making yourself look bad by trying to provoke people into fights

/end

let this go back to the intent of the original post, and stop trying to do what your trying to do. Its literally childish.

You started all of this. But since you started it, I want proof for the lies you keep posting now.
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