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dylancatlow
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12/14/2014 4:55:39 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
STAGE 1: Basics

User must have at least 3 months membership and be phone-verified.

Rationale: To prevent (or at least make it cumbersome) to make accounts for the sole purpose of voting for a particular candidate, as well as to ensure the user would have enough experience. Someone could avoid the phone-verification requirement if they had over 1000 forum posts or over 50 completed debates.

STAGE 2: Forum Literacy

User must have at least 150 forum posts.

Rationale: People who don't use the forums don't know what's going on. It's the only information source available for voters to make an informed decision. Someone who doesn't meet this requirement would be unlikely to know the candidates or the issues.

STAGE 3: Commitment to DDO

User must have at least 500 forum posts or 10 completed, serious, full-length debates with no forfeits.

Rationale: To ensure that the user actually cares about the future of DDO.
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12/14/2014 5:00:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Debates are too high.
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12/14/2014 5:01:28 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Not agreed.

This still excludes people like Peter Smith and I think the premises stated for why each one is good are unsupported.
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12/14/2014 5:01:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/14/2014 5:01:28 PM, Wylted wrote:
Not agreed.

This still excludes people like Peter Smith and I think the premises stated for why each one is good are unsupported.
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12/14/2014 5:03:25 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/14/2014 4:59:41 PM, Geographia wrote:
Agreed.

Are you even qualified by the current standard?
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12/14/2014 5:04:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/14/2014 5:01:28 PM, Wylted wrote:
Not agreed.

This still excludes people like Peter Smith and I think the premises stated for why each one is good are unsupported.

1. It doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be better than the current requirements. 2. I don't even know who Peter Smith is. How important could DDO really be to him if he doesn't meet these requirements?
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12/14/2014 5:06:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/14/2014 5:01:28 PM, Wylted wrote:
Not agreed.

This still excludes people like Peter Smith and I think the premises stated for why each one is good are unsupported.

I think they'd be supported by the personal experience of any reasonable person.
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12/14/2014 5:07:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/14/2014 4:55:39 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
STAGE 1: Basics

User must have at least 3 months membership and be phone-verified.

Rationale: To prevent (or at least make it cumbersome) to make accounts for the sole purpose of voting for a particular candidate, as well as to ensure the user would have enough experience. Someone could avoid the phone-verification requirement if they had over 1000 forum posts or over 50 completed debates.

STAGE 2: Forum Literacy

User must have at least 150 forum posts.

Rationale: People who don't use the forums don't know what's going on. It's the only information source available for voters to make an informed decision. Someone who doesn't meet this requirement would be unlikely to know the candidates or the issues.


STAGE 3: Commitment to DDO

User must have at least 500 forum posts or 10 completed, serious, full-length debates with no forfeits.

Rationale: To ensure that the user actually cares about the future of DDO.

Sounds like you're mad that you lost.
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12/14/2014 5:07:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I challenge someone to make a list of people who don't qualify, and should qualify. Make it as convincing as you possibly can.
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12/14/2014 5:08:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/14/2014 5:06:27 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:01:28 PM, Wylted wrote:
Not agreed.

This still excludes people like Peter Smith and I think the premises stated for why each one is good are unsupported.

I think they'd be supported by the personal experience of any reasonable person.

So people with 499 forum posts and 9 completed debates don't care about the future of the site? And everyone with 2,000 forum posts does?
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12/14/2014 5:08:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/14/2014 5:07:32 PM, daytonanerd wrote:
At 12/14/2014 4:55:39 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
STAGE 1: Basics

User must have at least 3 months membership and be phone-verified.

Rationale: To prevent (or at least make it cumbersome) to make accounts for the sole purpose of voting for a particular candidate, as well as to ensure the user would have enough experience. Someone could avoid the phone-verification requirement if they had over 1000 forum posts or over 50 completed debates.

STAGE 2: Forum Literacy

User must have at least 150 forum posts.

Rationale: People who don't use the forums don't know what's going on. It's the only information source available for voters to make an informed decision. Someone who doesn't meet this requirement would be unlikely to know the candidates or the issues.


STAGE 3: Commitment to DDO

User must have at least 500 forum posts or 10 completed, serious, full-length debates with no forfeits.

Rationale: To ensure that the user actually cares about the future of DDO.

Sounds like you're mad that you lost.

I'm not mad that blade lost, I'm mad that he lost only because he spammed a bunch of noobs.
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12/14/2014 5:10:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/14/2014 5:08:00 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:06:27 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:01:28 PM, Wylted wrote:
Not agreed.

This still excludes people like Peter Smith and I think the premises stated for why each one is good are unsupported.

I think they'd be supported by the personal experience of any reasonable person.

So people with 499 forum posts and 9 completed debates don't care about the future of the site? And everyone with 2,000 forum posts does?

That's not an argument against my voting requirements per se, but against all voting requirements. And like I said, it doesn't have to be perfect.
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12/14/2014 5:10:38 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/14/2014 5:08:48 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:07:32 PM, daytonanerd wrote:
At 12/14/2014 4:55:39 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
STAGE 1: Basics

User must have at least 3 months membership and be phone-verified.

Rationale: To prevent (or at least make it cumbersome) to make accounts for the sole purpose of voting for a particular candidate, as well as to ensure the user would have enough experience. Someone could avoid the phone-verification requirement if they had over 1000 forum posts or over 50 completed debates.

STAGE 2: Forum Literacy

User must have at least 150 forum posts.

Rationale: People who don't use the forums don't know what's going on. It's the only information source available for voters to make an informed decision. Someone who doesn't meet this requirement would be unlikely to know the candidates or the issues.


STAGE 3: Commitment to DDO

User must have at least 500 forum posts or 10 completed, serious, full-length debates with no forfeits.

Rationale: To ensure that the user actually cares about the future of DDO.

Sounds like you're mad that you lost.

I'm not mad that blade lost, I'm mad that he lost only because he spammed a bunch of noobs.

Every vote counts. Blade failed to appeal to newer members. That's his fault.
#FeeltheFreezerBern
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12/14/2014 5:10:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/14/2014 5:10:07 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:08:00 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:06:27 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:01:28 PM, Wylted wrote:
Not agreed.

This still excludes people like Peter Smith and I think the premises stated for why each one is good are unsupported.

I think they'd be supported by the personal experience of any reasonable person.

So people with 499 forum posts and 9 completed debates don't care about the future of the site? And everyone with 2,000 forum posts does?

That's not an argument against my voting requirements per se, but against all voting requirements. And like I said, it doesn't have to be perfect.

I'm gonna make my list soon.
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dylancatlow
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12/14/2014 5:12:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/14/2014 5:10:38 PM, daytonanerd wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:08:48 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:07:32 PM, daytonanerd wrote:
At 12/14/2014 4:55:39 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
STAGE 1: Basics

User must have at least 3 months membership and be phone-verified.

Rationale: To prevent (or at least make it cumbersome) to make accounts for the sole purpose of voting for a particular candidate, as well as to ensure the user would have enough experience. Someone could avoid the phone-verification requirement if they had over 1000 forum posts or over 50 completed debates.

STAGE 2: Forum Literacy

User must have at least 150 forum posts.

Rationale: People who don't use the forums don't know what's going on. It's the only information source available for voters to make an informed decision. Someone who doesn't meet this requirement would be unlikely to know the candidates or the issues.


STAGE 3: Commitment to DDO

User must have at least 500 forum posts or 10 completed, serious, full-length debates with no forfeits.

Rationale: To ensure that the user actually cares about the future of DDO.

Sounds like you're mad that you lost.

I'm not mad that blade lost, I'm mad that he lost only because he spammed a bunch of noobs.

Every vote counts. Blade failed to appeal to newer members. That's his fault.

Why should we count every vote? That sounds like a blind appeal to democracy. Also, Mikal failed to appeal to people who use the site most. Which is more important?
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12/14/2014 5:15:33 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/14/2014 5:04:35 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:01:28 PM, Wylted wrote:
Not agreed.

This still excludes people like Peter Smith and I think the premises stated for why each one is good are unsupported.

1. It doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be better than the current requirements. 2. I don't even know who Peter Smith is. How important could DDO really be to him if he doesn't meet these requirements?

PetersSmith is excellent at improving the quality of the polls. She has done over 500 quality polls and has been an active member for 5 months. But she is not into debating.
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12/14/2014 5:16:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/14/2014 5:15:33 PM, mishapqueen wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:04:35 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:01:28 PM, Wylted wrote:
Not agreed.

This still excludes people like Peter Smith and I think the premises stated for why each one is good are unsupported.

1. It doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be better than the current requirements. 2. I don't even know who Peter Smith is. How important could DDO really be to him if he doesn't meet these requirements?

PetersSmith is excellent at improving the quality of the polls. She has done over 500 quality polls and has been an active member for 5 months. But she is not into debating.

If she's not even into debating, or using the forums, what makes her qualified to vote in this election?
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12/14/2014 5:18:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/14/2014 5:16:59 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:15:33 PM, mishapqueen wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:04:35 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:01:28 PM, Wylted wrote:
Not agreed.

This still excludes people like Peter Smith and I think the premises stated for why each one is good are unsupported.

1. It doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be better than the current requirements. 2. I don't even know who Peter Smith is. How important could DDO really be to him if he doesn't meet these requirements?

PetersSmith is excellent at improving the quality of the polls. She has done over 500 quality polls and has been an active member for 5 months. But she is not into debating.

If she's not even into debating, or using the forums, what makes her qualified to vote in this election?

What makes you qualified to rule out 50% + of the site just because you don't think it offers as much value?
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12/14/2014 5:19:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/14/2014 5:12:43 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:10:38 PM, daytonanerd wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:08:48 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:07:32 PM, daytonanerd wrote:
At 12/14/2014 4:55:39 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
STAGE 1: Basics

User must have at least 3 months membership and be phone-verified.

Rationale: To prevent (or at least make it cumbersome) to make accounts for the sole purpose of voting for a particular candidate, as well as to ensure the user would have enough experience. Someone could avoid the phone-verification requirement if they had over 1000 forum posts or over 50 completed debates.

STAGE 2: Forum Literacy

User must have at least 150 forum posts.

Rationale: People who don't use the forums don't know what's going on. It's the only information source available for voters to make an informed decision. Someone who doesn't meet this requirement would be unlikely to know the candidates or the issues.


STAGE 3: Commitment to DDO

User must have at least 500 forum posts or 10 completed, serious, full-length debates with no forfeits.

Rationale: To ensure that the user actually cares about the future of DDO.

Sounds like you're mad that you lost.

I'm not mad that blade lost, I'm mad that he lost only because he spammed a bunch of noobs.

Every vote counts. Blade failed to appeal to newer members. That's his fault.

Why should we count every vote? That sounds like a blind appeal to democracy. Also, Mikal failed to appeal to people who use the site most. Which is more important?

We really should have some kind of appeal to newer members. They are the future of the site, and attracting more users, which must be new, will ensure the longevity of the site. Otherwise, we will isolate ourselves with our elitism.
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12/14/2014 5:20:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/14/2014 5:18:21 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:16:59 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:15:33 PM, mishapqueen wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:04:35 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:01:28 PM, Wylted wrote:
Not agreed.

This still excludes people like Peter Smith and I think the premises stated for why each one is good are unsupported.

1. It doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be better than the current requirements. 2. I don't even know who Peter Smith is. How important could DDO really be to him if he doesn't meet these requirements?

PetersSmith is excellent at improving the quality of the polls. She has done over 500 quality polls and has been an active member for 5 months. But she is not into debating.

If she's not even into debating, or using the forums, what makes her qualified to vote in this election?

What makes you qualified to rule out 50% + of the site just because you don't think it offers as much value?
"It's awfully considerate of you to think of me here,
And I'm much obliged to you for making it clear - that I'm not here."

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dylancatlow
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12/14/2014 5:20:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/14/2014 5:18:21 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:16:59 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:15:33 PM, mishapqueen wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:04:35 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:01:28 PM, Wylted wrote:
Not agreed.

This still excludes people like Peter Smith and I think the premises stated for why each one is good are unsupported.

1. It doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be better than the current requirements. 2. I don't even know who Peter Smith is. How important could DDO really be to him if he doesn't meet these requirements?

PetersSmith is excellent at improving the quality of the polls. She has done over 500 quality polls and has been an active member for 5 months. But she is not into debating.

If she's not even into debating, or using the forums, what makes her qualified to vote in this election?

What makes you qualified to rule out 50% + of the site just because you don't think it offers as much value?

Please explain how participation in the poll and opinion sections would help someone make an informed vote.
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12/14/2014 5:20:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/14/2014 5:16:59 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:15:33 PM, mishapqueen wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:04:35 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:01:28 PM, Wylted wrote:
Not agreed.

This still excludes people like Peter Smith and I think the premises stated for why each one is good are unsupported.

1. It doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be better than the current requirements. 2. I don't even know who Peter Smith is. How important could DDO really be to him if he doesn't meet these requirements?

PetersSmith is excellent at improving the quality of the polls. She has done over 500 quality polls and has been an active member for 5 months. But she is not into debating.

If she's not even into debating, or using the forums, what makes her qualified to vote in this election?

She uses the forums, but she's new to that part of it. She is qualified because she has been a tremendous influence in the poll section, and she knew about the candidates and was informed about the election. We even discussed it a good bit.
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12/14/2014 5:21:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/14/2014 5:20:14 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:18:21 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:16:59 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:15:33 PM, mishapqueen wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:04:35 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:01:28 PM, Wylted wrote:
Not agreed.

This still excludes people like Peter Smith and I think the premises stated for why each one is good are unsupported.

1. It doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be better than the current requirements. 2. I don't even know who Peter Smith is. How important could DDO really be to him if he doesn't meet these requirements?

PetersSmith is excellent at improving the quality of the polls. She has done over 500 quality polls and has been an active member for 5 months. But she is not into debating.

If she's not even into debating, or using the forums, what makes her qualified to vote in this election?

What makes you qualified to rule out 50% + of the site just because you don't think it offers as much value?

Please explain how participation in the poll and opinion sections would help someone make an informed vote.

Please explain why participating in the polls and opinion section makes it impossible for someone to read what happens on the forums.
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12/14/2014 5:21:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/14/2014 5:19:47 PM, daytonanerd wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:12:43 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:10:38 PM, daytonanerd wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:08:48 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:07:32 PM, daytonanerd wrote:
At 12/14/2014 4:55:39 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
STAGE 1: Basics

User must have at least 3 months membership and be phone-verified.

Rationale: To prevent (or at least make it cumbersome) to make accounts for the sole purpose of voting for a particular candidate, as well as to ensure the user would have enough experience. Someone could avoid the phone-verification requirement if they had over 1000 forum posts or over 50 completed debates.

STAGE 2: Forum Literacy

User must have at least 150 forum posts.

Rationale: People who don't use the forums don't know what's going on. It's the only information source available for voters to make an informed decision. Someone who doesn't meet this requirement would be unlikely to know the candidates or the issues.


STAGE 3: Commitment to DDO

User must have at least 500 forum posts or 10 completed, serious, full-length debates with no forfeits.

Rationale: To ensure that the user actually cares about the future of DDO.

Sounds like you're mad that you lost.

I'm not mad that blade lost, I'm mad that he lost only because he spammed a bunch of noobs.

Every vote counts. Blade failed to appeal to newer members. That's his fault.

Why should we count every vote? That sounds like a blind appeal to democracy. Also, Mikal failed to appeal to people who use the site most. Which is more important?

We really should have some kind of appeal to newer members. They are the future of the site, and attracting more users, which must be new, will ensure the longevity of the site. Otherwise, we will isolate ourselves with our elitism.

The idea that allowing noobs to vote will make them stay/attract more users is preposterous.
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12/14/2014 5:23:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/14/2014 5:21:54 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:19:47 PM, daytonanerd wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:12:43 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:10:38 PM, daytonanerd wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:08:48 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:07:32 PM, daytonanerd wrote:
At 12/14/2014 4:55:39 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
STAGE 1: Basics

User must have at least 3 months membership and be phone-verified.

Rationale: To prevent (or at least make it cumbersome) to make accounts for the sole purpose of voting for a particular candidate, as well as to ensure the user would have enough experience. Someone could avoid the phone-verification requirement if they had over 1000 forum posts or over 50 completed debates.

STAGE 2: Forum Literacy

User must have at least 150 forum posts.

Rationale: People who don't use the forums don't know what's going on. It's the only information source available for voters to make an informed decision. Someone who doesn't meet this requirement would be unlikely to know the candidates or the issues.


STAGE 3: Commitment to DDO

User must have at least 500 forum posts or 10 completed, serious, full-length debates with no forfeits.

Rationale: To ensure that the user actually cares about the future of DDO.

Sounds like you're mad that you lost.

I'm not mad that blade lost, I'm mad that he lost only because he spammed a bunch of noobs.

Every vote counts. Blade failed to appeal to newer members. That's his fault.

Why should we count every vote? That sounds like a blind appeal to democracy. Also, Mikal failed to appeal to people who use the site most. Which is more important?

We really should have some kind of appeal to newer members. They are the future of the site, and attracting more users, which must be new, will ensure the longevity of the site. Otherwise, we will isolate ourselves with our elitism.

The idea that allowing noobs to vote will make them stay/attract more users is preposterous.

Because excluding them for "not doing enough" will make them feel so much more welcome.
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12/14/2014 5:23:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/14/2014 5:21:27 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:20:14 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:18:21 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:16:59 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:15:33 PM, mishapqueen wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:04:35 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:01:28 PM, Wylted wrote:
Not agreed.

This still excludes people like Peter Smith and I think the premises stated for why each one is good are unsupported.

1. It doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be better than the current requirements. 2. I don't even know who Peter Smith is. How important could DDO really be to him if he doesn't meet these requirements?

PetersSmith is excellent at improving the quality of the polls. She has done over 500 quality polls and has been an active member for 5 months. But she is not into debating.

If she's not even into debating, or using the forums, what makes her qualified to vote in this election?

What makes you qualified to rule out 50% + of the site just because you don't think it offers as much value?

Please explain how participation in the poll and opinion sections would help someone make an informed vote.

Please explain why participating in the polls and opinion section makes it impossible for someone to read what happens on the forums.

But that's not my argument. It's not impossible for a 10 year old to be as informed and as intelligent as an adult, that doesn't mean we should allow 10 year olds to vote.
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12/14/2014 5:23:46 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/14/2014 5:21:54 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:19:47 PM, daytonanerd wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:12:43 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:10:38 PM, daytonanerd wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:08:48 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:07:32 PM, daytonanerd wrote:
At 12/14/2014 4:55:39 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
STAGE 1: Basics

User must have at least 3 months membership and be phone-verified.

Rationale: To prevent (or at least make it cumbersome) to make accounts for the sole purpose of voting for a particular candidate, as well as to ensure the user would have enough experience. Someone could avoid the phone-verification requirement if they had over 1000 forum posts or over 50 completed debates.

STAGE 2: Forum Literacy

User must have at least 150 forum posts.

Rationale: People who don't use the forums don't know what's going on. It's the only information source available for voters to make an informed decision. Someone who doesn't meet this requirement would be unlikely to know the candidates or the issues.


STAGE 3: Commitment to DDO

User must have at least 500 forum posts or 10 completed, serious, full-length debates with no forfeits.

Rationale: To ensure that the user actually cares about the future of DDO.

Sounds like you're mad that you lost.

I'm not mad that blade lost, I'm mad that he lost only because he spammed a bunch of noobs.

Every vote counts. Blade failed to appeal to newer members. That's his fault.

Why should we count every vote? That sounds like a blind appeal to democracy. Also, Mikal failed to appeal to people who use the site most. Which is more important?

We really should have some kind of appeal to newer members. They are the future of the site, and attracting more users, which must be new, will ensure the longevity of the site. Otherwise, we will isolate ourselves with our elitism.

The idea that allowing noobs to vote will make them stay/attract more users is preposterous.

Maybe to you. But you're not a noob, are you?
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12/14/2014 5:24:13 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/14/2014 5:23:05 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:21:54 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:19:47 PM, daytonanerd wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:12:43 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:10:38 PM, daytonanerd wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:08:48 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 12/14/2014 5:07:32 PM, daytonanerd wrote:
At 12/14/2014 4:55:39 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
STAGE 1: Basics

User must have at least 3 months membership and be phone-verified.

Rationale: To prevent (or at least make it cumbersome) to make accounts for the sole purpose of voting for a particular candidate, as well as to ensure the user would have enough experience. Someone could avoid the phone-verification requirement if they had over 1000 forum posts or over 50 completed debates.

STAGE 2: Forum Literacy

User must have at least 150 forum posts.

Rationale: People who don't use the forums don't know what's going on. It's the only information source available for voters to make an informed decision. Someone who doesn't meet this requirement would be unlikely to know the candidates or the issues.


STAGE 3: Commitment to DDO

User must have at least 500 forum posts or 10 completed, serious, full-length debates with no forfeits.

Rationale: To ensure that the user actually cares about the future of DDO.

Sounds like you're mad that you lost.

I'm not mad that blade lost, I'm mad that he lost only because he spammed a bunch of noobs.

Every vote counts. Blade failed to appeal to newer members. That's his fault.

Why should we count every vote? That sounds like a blind appeal to democracy. Also, Mikal failed to appeal to people who use the site most. Which is more important?

We really should have some kind of appeal to newer members. They are the future of the site, and attracting more users, which must be new, will ensure the longevity of the site. Otherwise, we will isolate ourselves with our elitism.

The idea that allowing noobs to vote will make them stay/attract more users is preposterous.

Because excluding them for "not doing enough" will make them feel so much more welcome.

Yes, but do you actually believe this?