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12/15/2014 5:54:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I believe Wylted's (in)famous rape battle should be indicted into the hall of fame:
http://www.debate.org...

This debate is a perfect example of the fine balance of controversy, notoriety, moreover this single debate sparked at least a dozen threads (all of which has hundreds of posts) debating DDO policy and highlighted what DDO stood for, which is a free exchange of ideas regardless of their comtroversy.

To quote Elevyn Hall on free speech:

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

I feel this debate really hammer this point home here on DDO, where social conventions of disgust are demonstrated as arbitary and subject to scrutiny in discourse no matter how strongly that belief is held.

Thus if you value discourse of a range of ideas, which may border from controversial, to mainstream, then you should indict this debate into the HoF, as this debate did so much for that cause.
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12/15/2014 5:55:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Inb4 a sh1z storm with a dozen threads...
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12/15/2014 6:13:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/15/2014 6:08:50 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:07:28 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
No.

Yes.

This isn't a topic up for discussion. That debate was one of the worst things to ever happen to the site. Airmax got me a sticky thread for fanfics so I'd stop campaigning to get it banned.
On your end, way to undercut Mikal's attempts to welcome new members by showing them how we as a site love endorsing the mockery of rape victims, like Wylted did.
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12/15/2014 6:17:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/15/2014 6:13:44 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:08:50 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:07:28 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
No.

Yes.

This isn't a topic up for discussion. That debate was one of the worst things to ever happen to the site. Airmax got me a sticky thread for fanfics so I'd stop campaigning to get it banned.
On your end, way to undercut Mikal's attempts to welcome new members by showing them how we as a site love endorsing the mockery of rape victims, like Wylted did.

I am showing new members they are welcome to debate and discuss whatever they like,never if what they want to debate is viewed as 'highly controversial'. So in my defence, I am doing Miikal a favor. Not that I particularly care about Mikal's attempts.
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12/15/2014 6:19:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/15/2014 6:17:40 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:13:44 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:08:50 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:07:28 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
No.

Yes.

This isn't a topic up for discussion. That debate was one of the worst things to ever happen to the site. Airmax got me a sticky thread for fanfics so I'd stop campaigning to get it banned.
On your end, way to undercut Mikal's attempts to welcome new members by showing them how we as a site love endorsing the mockery of rape victims, like Wylted did.

I am showing new members they are welcome to debate and discuss whatever they like,never if what they want to debate is viewed as 'highly controversial'. So in my defence, I am doing Miikal a favor. Not that I particularly care about Mikal's attempts.

They're free to discuss rape. They're not free to mock rape victims.
No, I don't suppose you care much about anyone's attempts at anything, being a nihilist and all.
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12/15/2014 6:23:04 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I completely disagree with this.

The fact that the debate still exists (the fact that I didn't delete it) shows that we value freedom of expression on this site. We don't need to reward trash to show that the trash is allowed to exist (and by extension our values of freedom of speech).

I value the discussion that came about due to the debate, but I certainly do NOT wish to see this debate in the Hall of Fame.

There are many other worthy choices that don't reward "shock value" for the sake of it, and don't promote the most negative aspects of this debate.

I urge everyone to nominate something else.
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12/15/2014 6:24:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/15/2014 5:54:07 PM, Envisage wrote:

NO
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12/15/2014 6:24:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/15/2014 6:23:04 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
I completely disagree with this.

The fact that the debate still exists (the fact that I didn't delete it) shows that we value freedom of expression on this site. We don't need to reward trash to show that the trash is allowed to exist (and by extension our values of freedom of speech).

I value the discussion that came about due to the debate, but I certainly do NOT wish to see this debate in the Hall of Fame.

There are many other worthy choices that don't reward "shock value" for the sake of it, and don't promote the most negative aspects of this debate.

I urge everyone to nominate something else.

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12/15/2014 6:24:46 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/15/2014 6:19:45 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:17:40 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:13:44 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:08:50 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:07:28 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
No.

Yes.

This isn't a topic up for discussion. That debate was one of the worst things to ever happen to the site. Airmax got me a sticky thread for fanfics so I'd stop campaigning to get it banned.
On your end, way to undercut Mikal's attempts to welcome new members by showing them how we as a site love endorsing the mockery of rape victims, like Wylted did.

I am showing new members they are welcome to debate and discuss whatever they like,never if what they want to debate is viewed as 'highly controversial'. So in my defence, I am doing Miikal a favor. Not that I particularly care about Mikal's attempts.

They're free to discuss rape. They're not free to mock rape victims.
No, I don't suppose you care much about anyone's attempts at anything, being a nihilist and all.

Why are they not free to mock rape victims? Because you might be 'offended' by it? Because your feelings will get hurt? Sounds petty to me, it's this expression of free speech which is why we should indict this debate into the HOF because it highlights how our preference for free speech still overrides common disgust.

You make some big claims "worst thing to happen to the site" but all I have seen you do it apply your own subjective disgusts and dislikes and preferences to the situation thinking they are some fundemental truth. I find such rather laughable.
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12/15/2014 6:25:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/15/2014 6:13:44 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:08:50 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:07:28 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
No.

Yes.

This isn't a topic up for discussion. That debate was one of the worst things to ever happen to the site. Airmax got me a sticky thread for fanfics so I'd stop campaigning to get it banned.

This makes it sound like I offered you quid pro quo to stop hassling me (or campaigning against the debate) which is 100% false. In the course of you insulting me, one of your insults included something about the fan fics, so I suggested an idea that you could help me with... that is all that happened here.

On your end, way to undercut Mikal's attempts to welcome new members by showing them how we as a site love endorsing the mockery of rape victims, like Wylted did.

Ultimately, while I disagree with you that the debate should be removed, I entirely agree with you that it shouldn't be voted into the hall of fame.
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12/15/2014 6:26:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/15/2014 6:24:46 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:19:45 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:17:40 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:13:44 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:08:50 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:07:28 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
No.

Yes.

This isn't a topic up for discussion. That debate was one of the worst things to ever happen to the site. Airmax got me a sticky thread for fanfics so I'd stop campaigning to get it banned.
On your end, way to undercut Mikal's attempts to welcome new members by showing them how we as a site love endorsing the mockery of rape victims, like Wylted did.

I am showing new members they are welcome to debate and discuss whatever they like,never if what they want to debate is viewed as 'highly controversial'. So in my defence, I am doing Miikal a favor. Not that I particularly care about Mikal's attempts.

They're free to discuss rape. They're not free to mock rape victims.
No, I don't suppose you care much about anyone's attempts at anything, being a nihilist and all.

Why are they not free to mock rape victims? Because you might be 'offended' by it? Because your feelings will get hurt? Sounds petty to me, it's this expression of free speech which is why we should indict this debate into the HOF because it highlights how our preference for free speech still overrides common disgust.

Guess what? DDO is a private site. There is no right to free speech.

You make some big claims "worst thing to happen to the site" but all I have seen you do it apply your own subjective disgusts and dislikes and preferences to the situation thinking they are some fundemental truth. I find such rather laughable.

Good thing I didn't claim it was the worst thing but rather, one of the worst things, then.
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12/15/2014 6:27:03 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/15/2014 6:25:47 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:13:44 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:08:50 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:07:28 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
No.

Yes.

This isn't a topic up for discussion. That debate was one of the worst things to ever happen to the site. Airmax got me a sticky thread for fanfics so I'd stop campaigning to get it banned.

This makes it sound like I offered you quid pro quo to stop hassling me (or campaigning against the debate) which is 100% false. In the course of you insulting me, one of your insults included something about the fan fics, so I suggested an idea that you could help me with... that is all that happened here.

Come on, Airmax. I know a quid pro quo when I see one.

On your end, way to undercut Mikal's attempts to welcome new members by showing them how we as a site love endorsing the mockery of rape victims, like Wylted did.

Ultimately, while I disagree with you that the debate should be removed, I entirely agree with you that it shouldn't be voted into the hall of fame.
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12/15/2014 6:32:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/15/2014 6:23:04 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
I completely disagree with this.

The fact that the debate still exists (the fact that I didn't delete it) shows that we value freedom of expression on this site. We don't need to reward trash to show that the trash is allowed to exist (and by extension our values of freedom of speech).

I disagree it's trash. But this opinion either way is necessarily subjective anyway.

I value the discussion that came about due to the debate, but I certainly do NOT wish to see this debate in the Hall of Fame.

Why not? If it add a massive impact on values you positively hold, then surely it fulfils the criteria of 'fame', given the debate is certainly infamous,

There are many other worthy choices that don't reward "shock value" for the sake of it, and don't promote the most negative aspects of this debate.

Fair enough.

I urge everyone to nominate something else.
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12/15/2014 6:34:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/15/2014 6:27:03 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:25:47 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:13:44 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:08:50 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:07:28 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
No.

Yes.

This isn't a topic up for discussion. That debate was one of the worst things to ever happen to the site. Airmax got me a sticky thread for fanfics so I'd stop campaigning to get it banned.

This makes it sound like I offered you quid pro quo to stop hassling me (or campaigning against the debate) which is 100% false. In the course of you insulting me, one of your insults included something about the fan fics, so I suggested an idea that you could help me with... that is all that happened here.

Come on, Airmax. I know a quid pro quo when I see one.

I don't believe that at any point I asked you to stop campaigning, nor did I offer you something to stop. I think you overestimate my concern with your campaign, versus my concern with a clearly upset young man.
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12/15/2014 6:35:42 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/15/2014 6:34:31 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:27:03 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:25:47 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:13:44 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:08:50 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:07:28 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
No.

Yes.

This isn't a topic up for discussion. That debate was one of the worst things to ever happen to the site. Airmax got me a sticky thread for fanfics so I'd stop campaigning to get it banned.

This makes it sound like I offered you quid pro quo to stop hassling me (or campaigning against the debate) which is 100% false. In the course of you insulting me, one of your insults included something about the fan fics, so I suggested an idea that you could help me with... that is all that happened here.

Come on, Airmax. I know a quid pro quo when I see one.

I don't believe that at any point I asked you to stop campaigning, nor did I offer you something to stop. I think you overestimate my concern with your campaign, versus my concern with a clearly upset young man.

mm-hmm.
(You realise I'm not serious about this part, right?)
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12/15/2014 6:43:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/15/2014 6:32:18 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:23:04 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
I completely disagree with this.

The fact that the debate still exists (the fact that I didn't delete it) shows that we value freedom of expression on this site. We don't need to reward trash to show that the trash is allowed to exist (and by extension our values of freedom of speech).

I disagree it's trash. But this opinion either way is necessarily subjective anyway.

Sure, this entire thing is subjective.

I value the discussion that came about due to the debate, but I certainly do NOT wish to see this debate in the Hall of Fame.

Why not? If it add a massive impact on values you positively hold, then surely it fulfils the criteria of 'fame', given the debate is certainly infamous,

It's about rewarding speech that was intentionally meant to be controversial. I don't believe we need to do that. I believe it actually sends a negative message to do so, and I believe that there are better choices.

Ultimately, you are correct on these two major points. The debate reflects our values of free expression, the debate is qualified to enter the Hall of Fame due to it's infamous nature.

I think we have a greater duty now to make an expression against "shock value" trash, by not electing it into the Hall of Fame. The debate will still exist (reflecting our values), but ultimately, and more importantly, disapproval (for those who do) will be expressed by not rewarding the debate itself.
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12/15/2014 6:44:30 PM
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At 12/15/2014 6:07:28 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
No.
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12/15/2014 6:45:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/15/2014 6:35:42 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:34:31 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:27:03 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:25:47 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:13:44 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:08:50 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:07:28 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
No.

Yes.

This isn't a topic up for discussion. That debate was one of the worst things to ever happen to the site. Airmax got me a sticky thread for fanfics so I'd stop campaigning to get it banned.

This makes it sound like I offered you quid pro quo to stop hassling me (or campaigning against the debate) which is 100% false. In the course of you insulting me, one of your insults included something about the fan fics, so I suggested an idea that you could help me with... that is all that happened here.

Come on, Airmax. I know a quid pro quo when I see one.

I don't believe that at any point I asked you to stop campaigning, nor did I offer you something to stop. I think you overestimate my concern with your campaign, versus my concern with a clearly upset young man.

mm-hmm.
(You realise I'm not serious about this part, right?)

Well fair enough then, I think you misrepresented me, but I apologize if I came of as overly harsh in my response to that.
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12/15/2014 6:46:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/15/2014 6:45:22 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:35:42 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:34:31 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:27:03 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:25:47 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:13:44 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:08:50 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:07:28 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
No.

Yes.

This isn't a topic up for discussion. That debate was one of the worst things to ever happen to the site. Airmax got me a sticky thread for fanfics so I'd stop campaigning to get it banned.

This makes it sound like I offered you quid pro quo to stop hassling me (or campaigning against the debate) which is 100% false. In the course of you insulting me, one of your insults included something about the fan fics, so I suggested an idea that you could help me with... that is all that happened here.

Come on, Airmax. I know a quid pro quo when I see one.

I don't believe that at any point I asked you to stop campaigning, nor did I offer you something to stop. I think you overestimate my concern with your campaign, versus my concern with a clearly upset young man.

mm-hmm.
(You realise I'm not serious about this part, right?)

Well fair enough then, I think you misrepresented me, but I apologize if I came of as overly harsh in my response to that.

Yes. That was the joke, Bladerunner.
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12/15/2014 6:53:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/15/2014 6:23:04 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
I completely disagree with this.

The fact that the debate still exists (the fact that I didn't delete it) shows that we value freedom of expression on this site. We don't need to reward trash to show that the trash is allowed to exist (and by extension our values of freedom of speech).

I value the discussion that came about due to the debate, but I certainly do NOT wish to see this debate in the Hall of Fame.

There are many other worthy choices that don't reward "shock value" for the sake of it, and don't promote the most negative aspects of this debate.

I urge everyone to nominate something else.

How do you feel about Izbo in the hall of fame?
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12/15/2014 6:53:38 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Absolutely not. That "Debate" was one of the most disgusting and despicable things to ever plague this website. To induct it into the hall of fame would be the lowest stoop in the history of this website.

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12/15/2014 7:08:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/15/2014 6:53:18 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:23:04 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
I completely disagree with this.

The fact that the debate still exists (the fact that I didn't delete it) shows that we value freedom of expression on this site. We don't need to reward trash to show that the trash is allowed to exist (and by extension our values of freedom of speech).

I value the discussion that came about due to the debate, but I certainly do NOT wish to see this debate in the Hall of Fame.

There are many other worthy choices that don't reward "shock value" for the sake of it, and don't promote the most negative aspects of this debate.

I urge everyone to nominate something else.

How do you feel about Izbo in the hall of fame?

I'd like to think we'd only vote in "good" members but I realize that "Fame" doesn't necessarily translate that way. So I question the wisdom of it, but I'm not that strongly opinionated on it.

Ultimately, this doesn't matter a whole lot, but I do wish that we would choose to reward and present excellence (as subjective as that is), as opposed to whatever the controversial topic of the (former) moment is.
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12/15/2014 7:15:04 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/15/2014 7:08:08 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:53:18 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:23:04 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
I completely disagree with this.

The fact that the debate still exists (the fact that I didn't delete it) shows that we value freedom of expression on this site. We don't need to reward trash to show that the trash is allowed to exist (and by extension our values of freedom of speech).

I value the discussion that came about due to the debate, but I certainly do NOT wish to see this debate in the Hall of Fame.

There are many other worthy choices that don't reward "shock value" for the sake of it, and don't promote the most negative aspects of this debate.

I urge everyone to nominate something else.

How do you feel about Izbo in the hall of fame?

I'd like to think we'd only vote in "good" members but I realize that "Fame" doesn't necessarily translate that way. So I question the wisdom of it, but I'm not that strongly opinionated on it.

Ultimately, this doesn't matter a whole lot, but I do wish that we would choose to reward and present excellence (as subjective as that is), as opposed to whatever the controversial topic of the (former) moment is.

I mean, as I'm sure you know, Izbo was one of the most toxic members on the site. It just seems out of proportion to boycott the HOF because of this debate and to not raise any concern over a member who personally harassed countless others.
http://www.debate.org...

Disclaimer: I'm not defending anything here, and I actually wish that I could retract my vote for Izbo.
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12/15/2014 7:17:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/15/2014 7:15:04 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 12/15/2014 7:08:08 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:53:18 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:23:04 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
I completely disagree with this.

The fact that the debate still exists (the fact that I didn't delete it) shows that we value freedom of expression on this site. We don't need to reward trash to show that the trash is allowed to exist (and by extension our values of freedom of speech).

I value the discussion that came about due to the debate, but I certainly do NOT wish to see this debate in the Hall of Fame.

There are many other worthy choices that don't reward "shock value" for the sake of it, and don't promote the most negative aspects of this debate.

I urge everyone to nominate something else.

How do you feel about Izbo in the hall of fame?

I'd like to think we'd only vote in "good" members but I realize that "Fame" doesn't necessarily translate that way. So I question the wisdom of it, but I'm not that strongly opinionated on it.

Ultimately, this doesn't matter a whole lot, but I do wish that we would choose to reward and present excellence (as subjective as that is), as opposed to whatever the controversial topic of the (former) moment is.

I mean, as I'm sure you know, Izbo was one of the most toxic members on the site. It just seems out of proportion to boycott the HOF because of this debate and to not raise any concern over a member who personally harassed countless others.
http://www.debate.org...

Disclaimer: I'm not defending anything here, and I actually wish that I could retract my vote for Izbo.

Well agree or disagree, that's in the past now... all I can do is state my opinion on a current issue in the hopes that some might agree with my position.
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12/15/2014 7:45:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/15/2014 5:54:07 PM, Envisage wrote:
I believe Wylted's (in)famous rape battle should be indicted into the hall of fame:
http://www.debate.org...

This debate is a perfect example of the fine balance of controversy, notoriety, moreover this single debate sparked at least a dozen threads (all of which has hundreds of posts) debating DDO policy and highlighted what DDO stood for, which is a free exchange of ideas regardless of their comtroversy.

To quote Elevyn Hall on free speech:

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

Why do I suspect you credited that quote to somebody other than the original speaker of it?

I thought it was Voltaire?

I feel this debate really hammer this point home here on DDO, where social conventions of disgust are demonstrated as arbitary and subject to scrutiny in discourse no matter how strongly that belief is held.

Thus if you value discourse of a range of ideas, which may border from controversial, to mainstream, then you should indict this debate into the HoF, as this debate did so much for that cause.
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12/15/2014 7:49:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/15/2014 7:45:41 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 12/15/2014 5:54:07 PM, Envisage wrote:
I believe Wylted's (in)famous rape battle should be indicted into the hall of fame:
http://www.debate.org...

This debate is a perfect example of the fine balance of controversy, notoriety, moreover this single debate sparked at least a dozen threads (all of which has hundreds of posts) debating DDO policy and highlighted what DDO stood for, which is a free exchange of ideas regardless of their comtroversy.

To quote Elevyn Hall on free speech:

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

Why do I suspect you credited that quote to somebody other than the original speaker of it?

I thought it was Voltaire?
It wasn't Voltaire. It's one of the most mis-attributed quotes I've seen, actually. I'm on my phone so I'm not going to get a source, but just look it up on wiki quote or something like that.
I feel this debate really hammer this point home here on DDO, where social conventions of disgust are demonstrated as arbitary and subject to scrutiny in discourse no matter how strongly that belief is held.

Thus if you value discourse of a range of ideas, which may border from controversial, to mainstream, then you should indict this debate into the HoF, as this debate did so much for that cause.
#UnbanTheMadman

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Or lose the race to rats
Get caught in ticking traps
And start to dream of somewhere
To relax their restless flight
Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights..."

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12/15/2014 7:50:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/15/2014 6:13:44 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:08:50 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 12/15/2014 6:07:28 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
No.

Yes.

This isn't a topic up for discussion. That debate was one of the worst things to ever happen to the site. Airmax got me a sticky thread for fanfics so I'd stop campaigning to get it banned.
On your end, way to undercut Mikal's attempts to welcome new members by showing them how we as a site love endorsing the mockery of rape victims, like Wylted did.

You're such a crybaby. I should've screen shotted Airmax's wall. You were begging him to remove that.

I'm more likely to have got Airmax to remove that. Why not just PM me your case as to why it should be removed?

If I thought that debate was harmful in the least, I'd beg Max to remove it, but nobody made a good case for that.