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s0m31john
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10/4/2008 9:33:43 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
Instead of having a thread calling for an edit feature, and a thread bawwing for a post count, let's just put all out feature suggestions in here. The Webmaster seems like a busy guy, he can't spend all day reading individual threads. The forums are still in the works so the sooner we get our ideas to the webmaster, the easier it will probably be to implement them.

Anyway, here are my requests:
Edit Function - Be able to edit posts after you've made them.

Post Count - Preferably under the avatar, shows how many posts you have made

Join Date - Preferably under the post count, MM/DD/YYYY

Ability to post images - Something like the html <img src=""> or BB Tags like [img][/img]. Something could be set up to auto resize images, so we don't have to worry about table breaking images. This would cover images in signatures.

Less wordy Rules - The Site Terms does a great job of putting out all the site rules, but I think it's in too much legalese. A separate rule thread for the forums would be nice.

Ability to make links - Right now we just have to post the url, it would be nice to be able to do something like TEXT so we can make text links

Here's a little mock up I made:
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scissorhands7
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10/4/2008 10:28:51 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
Excellent suggestions in my opinion.

I have another that I can add.

Why I voted - all members voting in any debate should have to post in a separate place other than the comments section, lets say a section called "Reasons" section why they voted the way they did.

In my opinion it would prevent random voting and would benefit debaters so they could improve.
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PoeJoe
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10/4/2008 11:29:03 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
I agree completely with those ideas. There is a problem though.

From what I understand, Phil is working on his own, or with very few helpers. Things like that take a long time to program. (Look at how long it took v3 and these forums to get up.) And there are much more important features that need to get done. We cannot just continually hound him for features we want, as much as I like those ideas.

Good idea; just not practical.
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s0m31john
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10/4/2008 12:09:31 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
Another thing, move the page buttons to the top and bottom. I hate having to scroll all the way to the bottom on a thread I've already read just to go to page 2, 3, etc.

Like these.
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scissorhands7
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10/4/2008 12:31:55 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
I dont think its in any way negative to recommend changes, In my opinion it can only benefit this site. I dont expect to wake up tommorow and find that the above suggestions are implemented, I understand that this will take a good bit of time, however the more and better suggestions we come up with, the better site debate.org will be
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10/4/2008 2:13:09 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
Agreed. The post count number and an editing function are fairly universal features. All of us understand that this isn't happening overnight, we are all merely throwing out suggestions for possible improvement. From what I've understood the debate.org staff is appreciative, or at the very least open to, suggestions such as these. In the case that I'm wrong, it's not a problem because they don't have to pay any attention to such suggestions. Fair enough?
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s0m31john
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10/4/2008 2:48:19 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
Another thing

Why do you have to make a post to edit your signature? It's no big deal, but perhaps they could put that in the settings or something.
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10/4/2008 3:02:22 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
Hey Debaters,

I've noted all of the suggestions posted here and most of them will be put on the list of things to do. Keep the suggestions coming. Our goal is to make Debate.org the best site it can be.
Harlan
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10/4/2008 5:11:37 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
- "Random debate" button on main page

- Implement features of forum posts (italics, bold, and underline) into regular debate postings (excluding those annoying emoticons).

That's all I have for now. You all should send your ideas as feedback to Webatron.
s0m31john
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10/5/2008 3:33:35 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
I just finished clearing out like 50 debates out of my favorites.

If any way possible, could it be made to the "Email me when..." boxes are UNchecked by default? I'm flooded with emails when I quickly make comments, and forget to unchceck those boxes.
Harlan
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10/5/2008 4:16:32 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/5/2008 3:33:35 PM, s0m31john wrote:
I just finished clearing out like 50 debates out of my favorites.

If any way possible, could it be made to the "Email me when..." boxes are UNchecked by default? I'm flooded with emails when I quickly make comments, and forget to unchceck those boxes.

Or it could be like youtube, where you can specifically reply to another comment. Then you could set it to tell you if someone replied.
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10/5/2008 4:26:29 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/5/2008 4:16:32 PM, Harlan wrote:
Or it could be like youtube, where you can specifically reply to another comment. Then you could set it to tell you if someone replied.

Oh me and my objections.

Can't work on this site because:
1) It will lead to massive flame wars. More so than YouTube even because this is a debate site.
2) One flame discussion will take control of a whole comments section. At least YouTube has enough users to have other comments sprinkled in there.
3) It's fine now.
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Logical-Master
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10/5/2008 4:28:36 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
Do you guys think the forums should get "rep points?" As in, we give someone negative or positive rep (limited amounts) as is done on other forums?
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10/5/2008 9:28:30 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
www.usmessageboard.com

They do a great job of this.
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10/5/2008 10:00:33 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/5/2008 4:28:36 PM, Logical-Master wrote:
Do you guys think the forums should get "rep points?" As in, we give someone negative or positive rep (limited amounts) as is done on other forums?

No. People vote other people down on spite enough already, we don't need more ways to do it.
KRFournier
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10/9/2008 5:45:49 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
I am new to debate.org. I just finished my first debate, and I noticed shortly after that I was losing. After examining the vote statistics, it was clear that my opponent immediately voted him the win. I've read in these forums about vote bombing, and I'm aware that there's nothing to be done about that. But it seems to me that, minimally, debaters should not be able to vote on their own debates. All it does is reinforce an automatic behavior:

Step 1: Finish debate
Step 2: Vote for myself
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10/9/2008 8:33:05 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
If you can vote, s0m31. If you can vote.
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Ragnar_Rahl
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10/9/2008 8:42:58 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
When we do not meet the instigator's criteria for a debate, perhaps we could see what the qualification is? Mainly to satisfy curiousity about what the instigator is so afraid of :D.
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KRFournier
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10/9/2008 10:36:01 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/9/2008 5:58:56 PM, s0m31john wrote:
Doesn't really matter, once you vote for yourself it's essentially 0-0 again.

Point taken. It just seems like an extra step that could be eliminated with a minor feature enhancement, so I thought I'd throw it out there.
KRFournier
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10/10/2008 10:57:13 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
I have another feature request. On the one hand, I really do appreciate the limit of text formatting in debates. While I've occasionally wished for Italics for emphasis, the lack of such a thing has forced me to improve upon my sentence structure. Furthermore, the need for Bold, Italic, and Underline is not a frequent one. Quoting opponents, on the other hand, is extremely frequent.

On the forums, I can alter the format of a quote by pre-pending a colon.

Example

It would be so excellent, for the readers' sakes, to be able to do this when quoting the opponent. Pretty please.
KRFournier
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10/11/2008 9:40:44 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
I've been on this site for a almost 2 weeks now. Oddly enough, I find myself voting more than debating. I guess I enjoy reading the debates and feel like I'm contributing to the hard work of all the debaters. Lately, I've been explaining my votes in the comments.

Scissorhands7 already suggested forcing users to explain votes. So, I pondered things for a while and thought of an idea.

Debate.org consists of debaters and voters in much the same way that ebay.com consists of buyers and sellers. Couldn't we have a system, similar to ebay's feedback system, in which members build debater reputation and voter reputation points?

Maybe something like this:

Debaters already have reputation on this site and are ranked according to the number of debates, wins, etc. So, take it a step further. Debaters earn reputation in a couple ways. Winning a debate earns rep points, earning more or less rep points in relation to the opponent's debater reputation. Entering debates also earns rep points, and you earn more if you created the debate that someone else accepts. Thus, debater rep points are largely mathematical and objective.

Voters earn reputation by having their votes rated. First, this requires Scissorhands7's feature idea, that a player be given a specific place to explain their votes. Only explained votes are eligible for rating. Instead of just a Votes tab, there would need to be a Vote Graphs tab and a Vote Explanations tab (except named more cleverly than this). Anyone can view the Vote Explanations tab and give votes a thumbs up or thumbs down. As a vote gets positive ratings, the voter earns voter rep points.

Now, to prevent abuse, a member's debater reputation is used to give weight to a rating. For instance, I explain my vote for a particular debate. I get vote rate bombed by 10 new members that hate me but have very little debater rep points. However, I also get positive rates from 10 members with excellent debater reputations, resulting in a net positive rating and earned voter rep points.

To add even more complexity, you could even weight the debate votes based on the member's voter rep points. So, getting vote bombed by a bunch of members with low voter rep points will not equally negate positive votes from the same number of members with high voter rep points.

Checks and balances.

Debaters earn debater rep points by winning debates, which is kept in balanced by voters. Voters earn voter rep points by voting and explaining their votes which is kept in balance by debaters.

Granted, there are details in this plan that need further consideration. Granted, it's not foolproof. But as it stands, dishonest voters can quickly rain on parades and honest voters see less fruits for their efforts. But it's the debaters that get hit the hardest.

BTW, just so I don't come across and disliking this site, I want to say that I love this site. I think voting is done honestly more often than not. I joined this site because of the voting, which is what separates this site from the rest. I just thought I'd offer some ideas.

P.S. By rewarding voters, we can also encourage more voting and decrease the number of debates being ignored as seen in the Unrecognized Debates thread (http://www.debate.org...)
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10/12/2008 9:13:10 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/11/2008 9:40:44 PM, KRFournier wrote:
I've been on this site for a almost 2 weeks now. Oddly enough, I find myself voting more than debating. I guess I enjoy reading the debates and feel like I'm contributing to the hard work of all the debaters. Lately, I've been explaining my votes in the comments.

Scissorhands7 already suggested forcing users to explain votes. So, I pondered things for a while and thought of an idea.

Debate.org consists of debaters and voters in much the same way that ebay.com consists of buyers and sellers. Couldn't we have a system, similar to ebay's feedback system, in which members build debater reputation and voter reputation points?

Maybe something like this:

Debaters already have reputation on this site and are ranked according to the number of debates, wins, etc. So, take it a step further. Debaters earn reputation in a couple ways. Winning a debate earns rep points, earning more or less rep points in relation to the opponent's debater reputation. Entering debates also earns rep points, and you earn more if you created the debate that someone else accepts. Thus, debater rep points are largely mathematical and objective.

Voters earn reputation by having their votes rated. First, this requires Scissorhands7's feature idea, that a player be given a specific place to explain their votes. Only explained votes are eligible for rating. Instead of just a Votes tab, there would need to be a Vote Graphs tab and a Vote Explanations tab (except named more cleverly than this). Anyone can view the Vote Explanations tab and give votes a thumbs up or thumbs down. As a vote gets positive ratings, the voter earns voter rep points.

Now, to prevent abuse, a member's debater reputation is used to give weight to a rating. For instance, I explain my vote for a particular debate. I get vote rate bombed by 10 new members that hate me but have very little debater rep points. However, I also get positive rates from 10 members with excellent debater reputations, resulting in a net positive rating and earned voter rep points.

To add even more complexity, you could even weight the debate votes based on the member's voter rep points. So, getting vote bombed by a bunch of members with low voter rep points will not equally negate positive votes from the same number of members with high voter rep points.

Checks and balances.

Debaters earn debater rep points by winning debates, which is kept in balanced by voters. Voters earn voter rep points by voting and explaining their votes which is kept in balance by debaters.

Granted, there are details in this plan that need further consideration. Granted, it's not foolproof. But as it stands, dishonest voters can quickly rain on parades and honest voters see less fruits for their efforts. But it's the debaters that get hit the hardest.

BTW, just so I don't come across and disliking this site, I want to say that I love this site. I think voting is done honestly more often than not. I joined this site because of the voting, which is what separates this site from the rest. I just thought I'd offer some ideas.

P.S. By rewarding voters, we can also encourage more voting and decrease the number of debates being ignored as seen in the Unrecognized Debates thread (http://www.debate.org...)

Sounds complicated.
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10/12/2008 9:19:42 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/12/2008 9:13:10 AM, LR4N6FTW4EVA wrote:
Sounds complicated.

Two suggestions:

1) Make it so response text can take up no more than 90% of a post's characters... sort of like newgrounds.com
2) Make it so youtube videos don't appear when it in a response.

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10/12/2008 9:35:32 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/11/2008 9:40:44 PM, KRFournier wrote:
forcing users to explain votes.

we can also encourage more voting

Forcing users to explain votes will make many people not vote for debates other than their own. Very few people want to be forced t o post an RFD.

Also, your plan leads to the voters who do vote spending a considerable amount of time voting not on debates, but voting on votes. This further lessens the amount of actual voting that will occur.
KRFournier
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10/12/2008 4:05:40 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/12/2008 9:13:10 AM, LR4N6FTW4EVA wrote:
Sounds complicated.

It is. I admit it's not as clean and simple as what we've got. I'm just trying to generate ideas on how to reduce abuse of the voting system. I'm sure there are better ideas and am even hopeful that my ideas, given their complication, would perhaps inspire better ones.
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10/12/2008 4:17:37 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/12/2008 9:35:32 AM, beem0r wrote:

Forcing users to explain votes will make many people not vote for debates other than their own. Very few people want to be forced t o post an RFD.

Also, your plan leads to the voters who do vote spending a considerable amount of time voting not on debates, but voting on votes. This further lessens the amount of actual voting that will occur.

I didn't mean to insinuate that voters would be forced to explain votes. The idea is that voters can choose whether or not to explain, but those that do explain votes might be rewarded somehow.

As to your second point, voting a debate takes considerable time compared to rating another voter's explanation. Also, most debates on this site only have a handful of voters, so it really would take that much away.

That being said, I'm aware of the complicated nature of my idea and the problems it can create. I was just trying to create something to help prevent the debaters from being at the whim of all the dishonest voters. Since voting is anonymous and without checks and balances, the voters really have a lot of power on this site.

Here's another idea. Debate.org creates a League of Voters, a group of voters approved by the site, similar to forum moderators. Then debaters could have the option to allow votes from anyone or just from the League of Voters. I'm not sure how the voters would be selected, but you get the idea. (This is pretty much like Kleptin's idea for the cleaners, but officially sanctioned by the site) (http://www.debate.org...)