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When is it acceptable to cite FF as RFD?

rikomalpense
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1/6/2015 5:50:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
In a recent debate I did, I unfortunately lost track of time and forfeited Round 2. I apologized to my opponent and we both agreed to continue on for the last two rounds. A voter then voted that it was a loss on my part due to conduct alone (which I can certainly agree with don't get me wrong), but they did not cite any RFB other than FF. Is it not necessary to explain reasoning for other factors, such as 'who used the most convincing arguments' and 'who used more reliable sources'?

Just wondering for future reference when I'm voting on debates.
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1/6/2015 6:05:03 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/6/2015 5:50:40 PM, rikomalpense wrote:
In a recent debate I did, I unfortunately lost track of time and forfeited Round 2. I apologized to my opponent and we both agreed to continue on for the last two rounds. A voter then voted that it was a loss on my part due to conduct alone (which I can certainly agree with don't get me wrong), but they did not cite any RFB other than FF. Is it not necessary to explain reasoning for other factors, such as 'who used the most convincing arguments' and 'who used more reliable sources'?

Just wondering for future reference when I'm voting on debates.

I usually take conduct from someone if they Forfeit a round with no decent reason as to why. If someone comes back the next round and says "sorry, I lost track of time" I still count it because that's a poor excuse as it is up to the person to remain vigilant in the time limits they agreed to when accepting the debate. If someone says, "I had a family emergency" or if the opponent says it's okay, then I won't usually take conduct off.

As for writing FF as the RFD and nothing else, I don't think that is right unless the person forfeited literally every round of the debate. If it was only one forfeited round, then the arguments which were given can still be weighed against the other. There have been cases where someone will forfeit a round but still beat the other person argument-wise, I've seen it happen personally.

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dylancatlow
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1/6/2015 6:08:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
If one side forfeits, then you're almost always justified in voting against them, but you don't have to. Exceptions would be when the forfeiter explains their circumstances and the other side is fine with it.
Ragnar
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1/7/2015 1:10:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/6/2015 5:50:40 PM, rikomalpense wrote:
In a recent debate I did, I unfortunately lost track of time and forfeited Round 2. I apologized to my opponent and we both agreed to continue on for the last two rounds. A voter then voted that it was a loss on my part due to conduct alone (which I can certainly agree with don't get me wrong), but they did not cite any RFB other than FF. Is it not necessary to explain reasoning for other factors, such as 'who used the most convincing arguments' and 'who used more reliable sources'?

Just wondering for future reference when I'm voting on debates.
That is only worth conduct. It does not help arguments, hard to get those above a tie after that, but "forfeit" in itself is only 1 of 7 points.

The only vote of mine I remember being contacted about by the admin was a true Full Forfeit, I awarded 7 points, and got contacted to either refine the vote or have it deleted.
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1/7/2015 1:14:33 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
If speaking about http://www.debate.org... The single RFD is valid. Getting detailed votes would have been great... Someone remind me later to add an advertising section to my guide.
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